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Ni No Kuni Collector's Edition for EU/NA [failure level well beyond critical mass]

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Lumination

'enry 'ollins
rumbalumba said:
yeah, just like what namco is doing: minimal effort. they probably just contacted Prima and asked who's printing the guides (hint: the guides are still being printed, they were sold out but they're get re-stocked a day after Ni No Kuni's release date), then asked to print 300 copies more for them, at discounted bulk price. they couldn't bother to print the wizard companion, despite it being smaller and having lesser pages.
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Yes, your copies will be printed at discounted bulk price. Just like all the other copies. Did knowing how easily they are to produce stop you from buying it the first time?

Printing these are easy because they aren't on a limited run. The printing company still has the material, they still have the resources. Trying to reprint something limited is entirely different. You've negotiated a certain amount with a company, and now you have to allocate more resources, redraw up a business agreement, and the printing company may not have time or interest for your business. It's not worth it for the amount of people they'd be helping.

Stop being a child. Other people are pissed too, but they don't pop back in every few hours to spout the same old rant again.
 
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vireland

Member
Knight77 said:
As Italian I am absolutely disappointed since watching some videos I found that they decided to make the character talking in dialet of rome (city), one of the most stupid ideas ever, really shitty idea Namco Italy. Totally ruin the game. I'll play it with Japanese voice and English stubs. It's a pitty that Amazon UK sold out the wizard edition otherwise I would have bought it there instead of giving my money to the Italian division of Namco.

Trust me if you are not Italian you cannot get how bad is this idea...
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Meh, not really unique to Italy. Probably like having everyone in an English dub talk with a thick New Orleans accent or something. Outside of a very few scenarios, that would be very jarring and darn near incomprehensible in some cases.
 
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chrono01

Member
ASTROID2 said:
What the hell do they expect you to do with the guide when they just canceled your game.
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Buy the Standard Edition, of course, with that $20 off coupon.

But I know that not owning the Wizard's Edition will [likely] taint your experience slightly. :(

The Regular Edition is sold out on their site. That's just painful. I'm sorry for you all. -_-
 
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Sushigod7

Member
Pretty standard response from Bamco they did the same thing with DR f'd up MvC3. I took the guide put it on ebay and sold for 10 bucks. I just got my guide from Amazon today so I don't need this. Maybe I'll hold a raffle for it here to get rid of it or something eBay is going to be full of them your literally going to make nothing from it and it's no consolation for not getting the WE. What a joke but I guess they tried. Oh well we'll see how things play out it's to bad they just don't order some Wizard books and sell them for $20 so we can all use our discount and get it for free.
 
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rumbalumba

Banned
BurritoBushido said:
20 dollar voucher and a strategy guide? Where do I send all my rage?
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rofl. $20 voucher for our website! too bad we took down Ni No Kuni and you can't buy it there! A free guide that was sold for $20 on Amazon!

funny thing is no one asked for the guide. why can't they just reprint the Wizard Ed and we'll just buy it with the regular price, just like before? don't open a stupid preorder stuff, and just honour all the orders even if it were made at a later date. seeing that we already missed the release date, i don't think it matters anymore if we get it 2 weeks later. it's not like the same people are gonna make the doll and the book.
 
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rumbalumba

Banned
Lumination said:
Yes, your copies will be printed at discounted bulk price. Just like all the other copies. Did knowing how easily they are to produce stop you from buying it the first time?

Printing these are easy because they aren't on a limited run. The printing company still has the material, they still have the resources. Trying to reprint something limited is entirely different. You've negotiated a certain amount with a company, and now you have to allocate more resources, redraw up a business agreement, and the printing company may not have time or interest for your business. It's not worth it for the amount of people they'd be helping.

Stop being a child. Other people are pissed too, but they don't pop back in every few hours to spout the same old rant again.
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and why would we be concerned about how inconvenienced they will be? this isn't How To Be A Sympathetic Customer 101. me being a child? why the fuck would i care how much effort it'll take them to provide a service they promised to customers?

not only did all of us have to call them to even get an idea of what's happening, but they just took the easy way out of just making a phone call to the printing company. it took them days to come up with this shit?
trying to reprint something limited? what the hell are you talking about? the book being limited in supply doesn't stop any printing company to print more books.
 
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DigitalDevil

Member
That's pretty good, but what about those of us that ordered months ago and are waiting a week or more to receive the WE despite paying for expedited shipping? We get nothing?
 
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hirokazu

Member
malfcn said:
That is cool. But still no $20 voucher yet.
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I got no emails because I accidentally typed my email in wrong at checkout so I missed the $20 voucher when they emailed it. The email issue's been fixed just now though. Oh well, if the voucher isn't a unique code for each customer I guess I'll take one if someone wants to PM me what it was.

I ended up ordering the inferior German version Wizard's Edition from Amazon.de. But I'll take a free the guide whenever they'll contact us on how to get it.
 
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Wereroku

Member
Lumination said:
Yes, your copies will be printed at discounted bulk price. Just like all the other copies. Did knowing how easily they are to produce stop you from buying it the first time?

Printing these are easy because they aren't on a limited run. The printing company still has the material, they still have the resources. Trying to reprint something limited is entirely different. You've negotiated a certain amount with a company, and now you have to allocate more resources, redraw up a business agreement, and the printing company may not have time or interest for your business. It's not worth it for the amount of people they'd be helping.

Stop being a child. Other people are pissed too, but they don't pop back in every few hours to spout the same old rant again.
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You are overstating the difficulty of doing this. It was printed digitally so the templates are made so they would just need to reprint with some one who can use them. Now i agree they are not going to do this because it would probably lose them money a 7000 order print run makes more money then a 700 order run.
 
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iammeiam

Member
DigitalDevil said:
That's pretty good, but what about those of us that ordered months ago and are waiting a week or more to receive the WE despite paying for expedited shipping? We get nothing?
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Call DR; back in the thick of the storm of fuckups people with expedited shipping mentioned they were told they could call in post-shipment and post-charge for a refund of (all or part, it wasn't clear) shipping due to the delay. I can't guarantee it will work, but this is actually something DR should be able to do for you. As much as it sucks, in the post-fuckup-fallout, DR can't make more WE's materialize. They can, however, credit shipping issues, so they kind of owe doing that to everyone.
 
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IJoel

Member
They cancelled my order yesterday, and also put a hold for the order price on my CC. Still have the original hold (so 2 holds at the moment). Lol, they're totally trolling me.
 
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blainethemono

Member
I would love to be able to pay $30-40 for just a copy of the wizard's companion by itself. Or i'd even pay for a downloadable version (pdf or otherwise) to throw on a tablet or something. I don't need all the other stuff. Even a softcover of the book would be fine
 
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frequency

Member
rumbalumba said:
rofl. $20 voucher for our website! too bad we took down Ni No Kuni and you can't buy it there! A free guide that was sold for $20 on Amazon!

funny thing is no one asked for the guide. why can't they just reprint the Wizard Ed and we'll just buy it with the regular price, just like before? don't open a stupid preorder stuff, and just honour all the orders even if it were made at a later date. seeing that we already missed the release date, i don't think it matters anymore if we get it 2 weeks later. it's not like the same people are gonna make the doll and the book.
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I think I read only 4000 were sold in NinoStarter? EDIT: It's not fair for me to say this. I do not know what the number is and have no reason to believe the place I read it from is based on actual knowledge.

So the number of people who actually missed out despite pre-ordering is probably relatively low. Printing a few hundred copies of something like that Wizards Edition would be very expensive. The per unit cost of each copy would be very high. They would have to print it in bulk to lower the per unit cost, but then it takes away the value from the NinoStarter people then if it becomes widely available. And demand for them at this point is probably much lower than this thread would have us believe.

A re-print is probably not a logistical reality by any stretch.


This situation is really unfortunate for a lot of people. But aren't you being a little too angry about this? I mean... there are people who ordered during NinoStarter who lost theirs and aren't even near the same level of rage you are at - even though you ordered on the 17th.

I think you're the poster who ordered an extra one to sell on eBay? I guess it's frustrating for you if you had to refund the person and lost eBay fees... but... you're on a whole different level of rage here. It's kind of scary.
 
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DigitalDevil

Member
rumbalumba said:
rofl, "oh you better buy one of our games before March in the store! and sorry that ni no kuni, the one that you're interested in, isn't there!"

goodness gracious.
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Jesus, dude. 2/3 of your total posts on gaf have either been in this thread or the Ni No Kuni OT. Let the hate out! Go punch a wall or something
 
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rumbalumba

Banned
frequency said:
I think I read only 4000 were sold in NinoStarter?

So the number of people who actually missed out despite pre-ordering is probably relatively low. Printing a few hundred copies of something like that Wizards Edition would be very expensive. The per unit cost of each copy would be very high. They would have to print it in bulk to lower the per unit cost, but then it takes away the value from the NinoStarter people then if it becomes widely available. And demand for them at this point is probably much lower than this thread would have us believe.

A re-print is probably not a logistical reality by any stretch.


This situation is really unfortunate for a lot of people. But aren't you being a little too angry about this? I mean... there are people who ordered during NinoStarter who lost theirs and aren't even near the same level of rage you are at - even though you ordered on the 17th.

I think you're the poster who ordered an extra one to sell on eBay? I guess it sucks for you if you had to refund the person and lost eBay fees... but... you're on a whole different level of rage here. It's kind of scary.
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are you suggesting that Namco cares about devaluing the limited print of the Wizard Edition? don't make me laugh, please.

I actually ordered three. for myself, for ebay, and for my nephew. imagine how he felt when our orders got cancelled. i felt like a Digital River rep dealing with a customer. rofl. i just want that book. they could charge us for it. that's much better than receiving a guide that you can find in a million other places.
 
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Eusis

Member
Probably the closest thing they could do to a reprint is to just produce the book en masse and send it to anyone who got screwed over in this, selling the rest as a store exclusive or even through Amazon/B&N/whoever. Though that probably isn't practical now that they're giving the strategy guide.
 
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nasos_333

Member
rumbalumba said:
are you suggesting that Namco cares about devaluing the limited print of the Wizard Edition? don't make me laugh, please.

I actually ordered three. for myself, for ebay, and for my nephew. i just want that book. they could charge us for it. that's much better than receiving a guide that you can find in a million other places.
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I got the WE from Germany and now i get the Guide for free

Does not seem bad TBH

And saved 12$ in the process

The only minus is the art i miss from the back of the US box, which i will print myself :)
 
Cbajd5

Cbajd5

Member
frequency said:
I think I read only 4000 were sold in NinoStarter?

So the number of people who actually missed out despite pre-ordering is probably relatively low. Printing a few hundred copies of something like that Wizards Edition would be very expensive. The per unit cost of each copy would be very high. They would have to print it in bulk to lower the per unit cost, but then it takes away the value from the NinoStarter people then if it becomes widely available. And demand for them at this point is probably much lower than this thread would have us believe.

A re-print is probably not a logistical reality by any stretch.


This situation is really unfortunate for a lot of people. But aren't you being a little too angry about this? I mean... there are people who ordered during NinoStarter who lost theirs and aren't even near the same level of rage you are at - even though you ordered on the 17th.

I think you're the poster who ordered an extra one to sell on eBay? I guess it's frustrating for you if you had to refund the person and lost eBay fees... but... you're on a whole different level of rage here. It's kind of scary.
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Well people are really accepting inadequate compensation.

Look at it like this: They're saying a $20 coupon, the guide, and the money you originally agreed to pay for the Wizard's Edition is equal to the value of the Wizard's Edition you're not getting. That Wizard's Edition is worth around $400, which still a lot more than they're giving back.
 
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rumbalumba

Banned
Cbajd5 said:
Well people are really accepting inadequate compensation.

Look at it like this: They're saying a $20 coupon, the guide, and the money you originally agreed to pay for the Wizard's Edition is equal to the value of the Wizard's Edition you're not getting. That Wizard's Edition is worth around $400, which still a lot more than they're giving back.
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plus we have to deal with Digital River again. seriously, that $20 just covers the shipping cost to canada. might as well go to my local ebgames to buy it. faster, and same cost. add the fact that ni no kuni isn't even in the store. so what do they want us to order? naruto? rofl.
 
Cbajd5

Cbajd5

Member
rumbalumba said:
plus we have to deal with Digital River again. seriously, that $20 just covers the shipping cost to canada. might as well go to my local ebgames to buy it. faster, and same cost. add the fact that ni no kuni isn't even in the store. so what do they want us to order? naruto? rofl.
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I kind of wanted to buy Naruto before all this, but not from Digital River. I don't have my coupon either, so that's impossible for me either way.

I want to know if people who re-ordered using that link yesterday (especially those that used the coupon) are getting the guide too if they had a canceled order before that. Because that would be really insulting.
 
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nasos_333

Member
Cbajd5 said:
Well people are really accepting inadequate compensation.

Look at it like this: They're saying a $20 coupon, the guide, and the money you originally agreed to pay for the Wizard's Edition is equal to the value of the Wizard's Edition you're not getting. That Wizard's Edition is worth around $400, which still a lot more than they're giving back.
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Ni no Kuni from US (with shipping) 120$

Ni no Kuni WE from Germany 108$ (with shipping)

= 12$ profit

Guide 39$

= 12+39 = 51$ profit

Seems good to me so far

Given everything will go alright with getting the WE from Germany and Guide from Namco (LOL)
 
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frequency

Member
Cbajd5 said:
Well people are really accepting inadequate compensation.

Look at it like this: They're saying a $20 coupon, the guide, and the money you originally agreed to pay for the Wizard's Edition is equal to the value of the Wizard's Edition you're not getting. That Wizard's Edition is worth around $400, which still a lot more than they're giving back.
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But in the end you didn't lose $100 (or $400 if we want to talk eBay prices). You lost $0. They gave back any money they took from you for your pre-order. So they're compensating you for your trouble. Your trouble is worth $20 and a MSRP $46.99 to them.

In the end, that's not really so bad. It's not realistic to expect them to compensate you $400 worth when your ultimate loss is $0. The solution isn't my ideal but it's a decent response I think.

Anyway. I don't feel comfortable arguing this. I know there are a lot of emotions involved right now and not everyone is their most rational self.
 
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Eusis

Member
Cbajd5 said:
I kind of wanted to buy Naruto before all this, but not from Digital River. I don't have my coupon either, so that's impossible for me either way.

I want to know if people who re-ordered using that link yesterday (especially those that used the coupon) are getting the guide too if they had a canceled order before that. Because that would be really insulting.
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On the other hand IF they didn't screw up and provide that link to everyone it would've been very good to offer the guide to everyone who had their order canceled along with their re-ordered copy, and just the guide and coupon to those who got screwed over by stock running out.
 
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DigitalDevil

Member
Cbajd5 said:
Well people are really accepting inadequate compensation.

Look at it like this: They're saying a $20 coupon, the guide, and the money you originally agreed to pay for the Wizard's Edition is equal to the value of the Wizard's Edition you're not getting. That Wizard's Edition is worth around $400, which still a lot more than they're giving back.
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This is a ridiculous argument. Namco is not required to compensate you for any potential gains from selling the WE. The gestures are an apology to fans for an unfortunate mistake. On the 17th you had nothing. Now you have a coupon and a free (very nice) strategy guide. Those that ordered months ago and have lost their order may not be satiated, but those that got in on the 17th need to get over it. You are being duly compensated for the inconvenience.
 
NeededSleep

NeededSleep

Member
just got my WE. book is great from what i saw of it. The gf took it immediately and hasn't put it down. She loves pokemon and is going insane with glee over the familiars and writing down certain ones she wants me to use.

Not sure ill play it tonight kinda feeling under the weather.

Also glad to see Namco is giving something else out besides the voucher to those affected by an incompetent DR.

Almost want to get the strat guide now for the golden Hurley. he looks awesome along with Mite.
 
zeopower6

zeopower6

Member
I kind of hope people stop pulling out the 4000/7000 copies made numbers for the Wizard's Edition unless they can find the tweet that mentioned it or whatever.

The only thing regarding numbers that I know about this really is that the number of people who were fans of the FB page hovered around 4000-7000 during the Ni no Starter when it was up for like two months,
 
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Bucca

Fools are always so certain of themselves, but wiser men so full of doubts.
So someone clarify this for me: For those that ordered from PlayCanada, will they be getting their copies due to the preorder back in August, or are we fucked like the rest?

By the way, I preordered the damn CE Guide off Amazon on the 15th, Standard shipping, delivery estimate Jan. 28th - 30th yet it has still to even enter the Shipping Soon phase. What the fuck is going on?
 
zeopower6

zeopower6

Member
Bucca said:
So someone clarify this for me: For those that ordered from PlayCanada, will they be getting their copies due to the preorder back in August, or are we fucked like the rest?

By the way, I preordered the damn CE Guide off Amazon on the 15th, Standard shipping, delivery estimate Jan. 28th - 30th yet it has still to even enter the Shipping Soon phase. What the fuck is going on?
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PlayCanada's copies came from the summer order wave and all copies that had valid payment info/no issues with payments went through, so they should be fine.

As for the guide... I don't know what's going on. I preordered it several weeks ago from Overstock.com and now they have 'unforeseen delays'.
 
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frequency

Member
kirby2096 said:
Someone's uploaded the Wizards Companion from the ps3 as a pdf file. What's a good, cheap tablet to buy right now so I can read this while I play? I don't want to have to use my iphone for this <.<
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Maybe an iView 754TPC? That should cost about $100. It's not the best, but it's low price.

zeopower6 said:
I kind of hope people stop pulling out the 4000/7000 copies made numbers for the Wizard's Edition unless they can find the tweet that mentioned it or whatever.

The only thing regarding numbers that I know about this really is that the number of people who were fans of the FB page hovered around 4000-7000 during the Ni no Starter when it was up for like two months,
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Sorry. I edited my post. I saw that number somewhere but I shouldn't use it as any sort of fact just because I saw it.
 
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Bucca

Fools are always so certain of themselves, but wiser men so full of doubts.
Just looked and the Amazon page for the CE Guide says that it'll be back in stock on the 30th. Mine had better ship after that.
 
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