There were a lot of comments in this thread that were flat-out unworthy of anything but scorn. If you are so concerned with GAF's tribal honor why are you posting such erudite commentary as:
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CliffyB on Saints Row: Lose the gimps and dildos to beat GTA
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XANDER CAGE
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That was a joke, fairly sure. The common stereotype of giving something "sex appeal" is by adding boobies everywhere.
akilshohen
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Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Poe's law
I don't see how he was "whining" rather than giving advice to ditch the dildo based on that taboo.
EmCeeGramr
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does volition even want to beat gta
I dont think he was whining, he just said that it was immature. The same way Teenager movies about a guy trying to get laid are. And yet we still have them around. People like silly things, serious stuff is more for GTA.
Of course you're right, the game shouldn't lose its personality and its aspects just to get other fans while losing the classic fans.
Just meant to say that it really is for some people "just the game with the dildo"
And talking about it in the first place is what perpetuates the taboo.
This is the second time (I think?) that he's offered his glorious development advice to "fix" a game. First one was Resident Evil, wasn't it?
And what's wrong with that? Nothing.
Not every piece of art is going to appeal to everyone. And adjusting your artistic vision to appeal to a broader demographic is the greatest artistic sin of all. You're lying to yourself and your vision that way.
But what if Louis CK would stop being immature and take a serious role? Oscar worthy. Time for him to grow up.
It's a shitty idea. What makes SR3 so fucking amazing were the moments of seriousness juxtaposed against the batshit insanity. To take away the insanity would be to nueter that game.
Volition, please carry on as you were. We need more of that, not more me too wannabe serious ass crime games.
It's a shitty idea. What makes SR3 so fucking amazing were the moments of seriousness juxtaposed against the batshit insanity. To take away the insanity would be to nueter that game.
Volition, please carry on as you were. We need more of that, not more me too wannabe serious ass crime games.
Now now that's going too far! I felt that the humor in SR3 was amazing.
With that said though, I don't really care for the purple dildo either. So I agree somewhat with CliffyB to an extent. Don't have a problem with SR3 otherwise though, one of my favorite games of all time.
Also, holy shit at the graveyard. Ahahaha.
I agree, except that insanity doesn't have to be a 4' purple dildo you beat people with.
Sure. I can see that. But where to draw the line? Fart grenades ok? Crotch kicking?
Just let that team do what they want. The last thing they need are helpful ideas from thier peers who act like they know better.
Very true. Yes GTA sets the bar for the genre but trying to chase it could lead to disappointment and failure. GTA is GTA.
In SR3, the Saints have made it big and are celebrated for it. They have shops, drinks, endorements, etc. That's why everything is so outrageous compared to the 2nd one, imo. It's definitely a parody of that gangster lifestyle of violence, crime and sex that people have always been interested in. And you can tell just by playing that they had a good time making it.
Demon Lizardman
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Jesus Christ, this topic is a mess. Look Cliffy B if you are even still here which you probably are not considering some of these posts, I do agree that a dildo in a video game may get some people rattled up in video game sex and violence but here is the thing.
SR3 is obviously trying to find something to make it apart from GTA and they decided that insane over the top humor would work and in my own eyes it did. The color pallet was nice and colorful and vibrant (Something I love in VG's). It had memorable characters and crazy ways of using different kinds of vehicles maneuver around the city. the Dildo was just the tip of the frosting, it made me remember this game a lot more than most other games did and I am not saying having a dildo in each game is necessary, but they took the risk and went with it.
Anyway, I better get out of here before I get raped by the amounts of hatred towards you. Hope you have much more interesting color palates in your future games!
SR3 is obviously trying to find something to make it apart from GTA and they decided that insane over the top humor would work and in my own eyes it did. The color pallet was nice and colorful and vibrant (Something I love in VG's). It had memorable characters and crazy ways of using different kinds of vehicles maneuver around the city. the Dildo was just the tip of the frosting, it made me remember this game a lot more than most other games did and I am not saying having a dildo in each game is necessary, but they took the risk and went with it.
Anyway, I better get out of here before I get raped by the amounts of hatred towards you. Hope you have much more interesting color palates in your future games!
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
How?
He said that he personally thinks it's hilarious. However, he doesn't always have a play space autonomous from others who may not (for him, his wife) and that other gamers who would enjoy the game may have a similar situation. I don't see how that perpetuates the taboo so much as it simply recognizes that there is one.
I know that I wouldn't have played the game around family for these very reasons. It is what it is. It's a thing in our culture and what the games industry chooses to put in games is not going to change that. Recognizing this and advising developers to make sure their games are accessible/receivable as possible to all those who would want to freely enjoy them is not my idea of perpetuating a taboo.
SolidSnakex
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I'd guess that everyone that makes modern open world crime games would love to beat GTA. You're talking about a series that sales over 15m units an entry. With that said, I don't think that anyone can beat Rockstar at their own game. Which would be making a more serious take on the genre. Rockstar just has too much money and a marketing ability that's second to none for anyone to take them on directly.
I think SR probably came at GTA in the best way possible as far as topping it goes. Being completely crazy and over the top has allowed SR to stand out quite a bit. And i'm pretty sure that The Third is the best selling modern open world crime game that isn't named GTA. So, they're on the right track. It ended up selling close to 6m units. It'll be interesting to see what it can do if a company is able to put a greater marketing effort behind it.
These reasons are never a good justification to change something about a game.
I brought up the chainsaw killcams in GoW plenty of times in this thread myself. But the reason I did is because they're completely gratuitous and obscene, like much of the content in Saint's Row 3.
I wouldn't want to play Gears of War around my 5 year old nephew. If I had to choose, I have to tell you I'd rather he see the ridiculous-ass purple dildo than geysers of blood.
The difference is I'd never advocate for changing either of these things. It's up to the developers to identify a style and tone. I like the Lancer, and I like the ridiculous shit in Saint's Row 3, even though I never even used the goddamned Penetrator and it's a basically tiny part of the game being singled out to make an unnecessary point.
He didn't say his wife, by the way. I don't think he's married, but I have no idea. He said "your average guy."
jim-jam bongs
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There's a difference between thinking it would be nice to have something and having it as one of your goals, though. I'm sure that every developer would love to be able to swim in the huge vats of money they'd have access to if they made a game as successful as GTA, but I don't think that means that every developer wakes up in the morning and says "I will beat the Housers today" to themselves in the mirror.
1. This thread is an embarrassment. Chock full to the brim with ad hominem attacks and childish antics that do a pretty fucking swell job of convincing one that Saint's Row was indeed marketed to people with the maturity level of a 15 year old boy. I'd say given the state of this abomination why the hell shouldn't he go elsewhere to talk about it? I sure as shit wouldn't want to further engage with the people of this forum if the first reception I received coming here was stuff along the line of insinuating molestation by his father when he was a child.
2. Who gives a shit where he airs his grievances? Gaf is not the center of the universe, and he's free to talk about it where he wants to.
Neuromancer
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...Probably not
KibblesBits
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With all the other crazy going on in the game he focused on the Dildo weapon?
Except he was telling them to ditch the laughs and turn it into a drama.
People are now arguing subjectives topics like "what's funny".
Immature people calling a dev immature for calling dildo immature.
But hey, Darwin law, people will do stupid stuff and get killed/banned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg4s2-zRAT4
The laugh track help a lot. The laugh track make us laugh, and we get out of it happy. And since we are happy, we go back to it.
Remove the laugh track and you wont laugh. At least not as much. Its a nice ploy they use to make people like the show more and make it look more funny.
The worst and best of GAF being put on full display.
I would NOT want to see the execution with a dildo weapon.
But those are fake laughs!
South Park gets bigger laughs and resonates more deeply precisely because it is audacious. TBBT is an adequate but inoffensive and forgettable show. Obviously it pulls bigger numbers but when has there ever been a causal relationship between quality and viewership?
There is a place for dildos and gimps in SR so long as they are used as a comment on the perception of gaming culture in the general public. I think SR3 did a pretty good job but some of the crude stuff was just there for the sake of being crude. If they learn to refine that, and make the commentary more pointed, then I see no reason to not have dildos in SR4.
The games industry is weird.
Could you imagine a major action movie director like Michael Bay going on twitter and saying "Hey guys, the Crank films are great, but why can't they try to be more like The Departed and Training Day? Stop being so embarrassing!".
Err. Okay? Surely there's more than enough room for all these things to exist?
Could you imagine a major action movie director like Michael Bay going on twitter and saying "Hey guys, the Crank films are great, but why can't they try to be more like The Departed and Training Day? Stop being so embarrassing!".
Err. Okay? Surely there's more than enough room for all these things to exist?
as like a kinect peripheral or in the game?
The best about South Park I think is the fact that it shows the world through kids eyes, who learn stuff on there own.
I will always remember the flag episode where Black people are offended that the flag is a bunch of white guys killing a black guy, and they make the kids have a debate on it.
The kids didnt know that the race of the guy being killed was important, and thought it was just a debate over killing people or not. Such a nice moral. Love those morals at the end of each episode.
Neuromancer
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The reason it's taboo is because people complain about it.
If people never complained about nudity, we'd still have group showers and bathrooms like the Romans.
bigboss370
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is it me, or is the 'blow me' comment a bannable offense?
Yep. Seems like it. I'm amazed that people care so much about one guy's opinion, who doesn't even have any creative control over the Saints Row series. Wowwwwwwwwwwww.
It's you, especially as this whole thread seems to be GAF telling Cliffy B to blow THEM. So uh.......... yeah. No.
Right on the money.
Let's sacrifice our artistic vision--for what? To be more PC and get more sales? L O L
bigboss370
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huh, where's that post?