chaosblade
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GAF will do it for them and pay for it, and they can get money for the hits.
GAF will do it for them and pay for it, and they can get money for the hits.
Isn't the name of the chip written on them? How could we guess the specifics of the MEM2 if it wasn't by that?
I'd be down for $10 if the $200 is for all 3 chips. PM me if it's going down and how we are going about it.
Yeah, definitely the GPU, but I'm with you on both. Actually, I think I'd contribute $20 if we're doing 2 or all 3. Just don't tell my wife..It's $200 per photo, so $600 for all three. If just one photo's being bought, we'd want the GPU die, as it's the one we know the least about. Personally I'd like to see the CPU die, but that's just me being a CPU nerd, as we already know everything that could be determined from a die photo. I'm mildly curious about the tiny die, but there's probably not much to see on there.
If you guys are really serious about this, then make a separate thread so we can get things better organized, and get the "word" out. Like others suggested, we can focus on the gpu first, then see if there's any interest in attaining the others. I'd consider putting $20 for GPU & CPU, or $10-20 for GPU only.
It's not like you have to go to the extremes and add shitloads of detail just because you're right in front of an object.It doesn't come free man. Not at all.
I'd assume that legally only the purchaser would get access. So it should be someone who can examine it and say how many ROPs, TUs an ALU clusters there are.I could wangle maybe $10 and would prefer GPU info. We need someone trustworthy to gather and buy. I'm happy with someone like Blu, Thaktor wsippel et al, or mybe a mod who was keen. What we need to know I guess is if the info can be shared in public or if we'd have to limit it to the purchasers.
If you guys are really serious about this, then make a separate thread so we can get things better organized, and get the "word" out. Like others suggested, we can focus on the gpu first, then see if there's any interest in attaining the others. I'd consider putting $20 for GPU & CPU, or $10-20 for GPU only.
If we make a thread for it then people will expect us to post photos, which we can't do. To be honest, even sharing the die shots via PM is probably stretching it.
I could wangle maybe $10 and would prefer GPU info. We need someone trustworthy to gather and buy. I'm happy with someone like Blu, Thaktor wsippel et al, or mybe a mod who was keen. What we need to know I guess is if the info can be shared in public or if we'd have to limit it to the purchasers.
Yes a new thread would be good.
I'd assume that legally only the purchaser would get access. So it should be someone who can examine it and say how many ROPs, TUs an ALUs there are.
I'd assume that legally only the purchaser would get access. So it should be someone who can examine it and say how many ROPs, TUs an ALU clusters there are.
Nah, I don't think we want it too much 'out there' other than this thread. I'm not sure how they feel about 10-20 people passing it around anyway lol. It seems like we're gathering the funds sufficiently here.
I'd assume that legally only the purchaser would get access. So it should be someone who can examine it and say how many ROPs, TUs an ALU clusters there are.
Definitely won't be allowed to publish it publicly, but there's nothing stopping us from sharing it with others over PM (but only with the permission of everyone), I mean who's to say they didn't contribute some of the funds?
I'm really not sure that would be legal, but I guess it depends on the exact conditions of the sale.Definitely won't be allowed to publish it publicly, but there's nothing stopping us from sharing it with others over PM (as long as we can be sure they won't publish the info), I mean who's to say they didn't contribute some of the funds?
I'm really not a hardware guy, the best I could do is comparing it to existing AMD GPU die shots (such as this annotated one). That could be enough, but I'd be happier with someone more qualified.Would you be happy doing this? I feel if someone can figure this stuff out, then make a scale diagram showing the layout of the components on the die, that should be enough for most people. I figure you're probably more qualified than most of us to do the job, unless someone else here has specific expertise with this sort of thing?
So, basically, if someone pays, we could know more about GPU ?
Do it GhostTrick, lol
Well, yes. Obviously, we don't expect this person to give us the image since we wouldn't know wtf we were looking at. They should be able to compare it to similar AMD die images that are out there floating around.So, basically, if someone pays, we could know more about GPU ?
I'm really not a hardware guy, the best I could do is comparing it to existing AMD GPU die shots (such as this annotated one). That could be enough, but I'd be happier with someone more qualified.
I don't care too much about seeing the original images. We just need to "elect" a few "trustworthy" people to verify that the mock-up/illustration(done by someone "qualified") is accurate as possible in reflecting the actual photo. I don't think this would be an issue, but just so everything is done in order.
Well indeed, I think that picture would mean nothing for a lot of us. We have to find someone who could tell us what is this about, and someone not biased, who might lie.
People are overcomplicating things with talk of new threads, etc. Between us in this thread we should have enough for the GPU die photo without too much trouble. There are only a few steps:
1. Determine which is the GPU die (no point paying $200 for a picture of some EEPROM)
2. Choose a suitable person to buy the photo and send them the money
3. They buy the photo, determine the vital statistics and make a scale diagram of the chip layout
4. They make a new thread with the specs and diagram
No need for a new thread before we get to the last step.
People are overcomplicating things with talk of new threads, etc. Between us in this thread we should have enough for the GPU die photo without too much trouble. There are only a few steps:
1. Determine which is the GPU die (no point paying $200 for a picture of some EEPROM)
2. Choose a suitable person to buy the photo and send them the money
3. They buy the photo, determine the vital statistics and make a scale diagram of the chip layout
4. They make a new thread with the specs and diagram
No need for a new thread before we get to the last step.
Damned last post on page. Reposted so people can see it:
we can probably just ask Chipworks which chip is which.
we can probably just ask Chipworks which chip is which.
I don't see why not. And if the legalities are that strict, then Thraktor's plan is a good one. We need a good engineer type for maximum accuracy though...hmmm
Or ask Chipworks if they have annotated images like they did with the A6:
http://www.chipworks.com/blog/recen.../apple-iphone-5-the-a6-application-processor/
(Or convince them that a public Wii U chip teardown/analysis would get them a bunch of hits and publicity)
Resolution depends on die size:Damned last post on page. Reposted so people can see it:
Edit: I'm a little surprised Chipworks don't tell you the resolution of the photos you're buying. That's a fairly important piece of info for someone dropping $200, I would think.
http://www.chipworks.com/en/technic.../report-formats/basic-benchmarking/die-photosChipworks die photos are superior because they are not simply a single field image at low magnification, nor a collection of separate high magnification images. They are taken at (typically) 10x 20x optical magnification, then aligned and seamlessly stitched together into a single floor plan. This creates large images (often >50 MB) that can be navigated as though the user had a microscope on his/her desktop.
Resolution depends on die size:
http://www.chipworks.com/en/technic.../report-formats/basic-benchmarking/die-photos
we should all write polite emails thenThis was my thought, if they release some pictures for free I think maybe a bunch of us sending them polite emails saying there would be enough interest in it may work.