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Wii U Virtual Console Details
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Well Iwata said that it took a while before and therefore not all will be there right away. Some licenses will have expired, some will be dead. My guess is much of Nintendo's stuff will be day one but 3rd parties will likely trickle in later.
ThatObviousUser
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If Yoshi's Island isn't at the launch I'm going to tear my hair out.
entremet
Member
Imagine if they give us the GBA version lol?
New levels, but not a fan of the resolution, though Nintendo did a great job with port.
BruiserBear
Banned
I've often thought the same exact thing.
What do you want to bet when the next Xbox arrives it's not so difficult for them?
Same. It still stings that they never released it on the Wii. The only reason I can gather is that they literally didn't want to pay a programmer to emulate the SFX chip that was inside that cartridge and the first StarFox. So they decided to just skip over one of their greatest games as a result.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
When is launch?
Kacho
Member
Around April I think.
Nintendo likes to take its sweet time and do things backwards first.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
So whats happening??? All Wii VC games will be on Wii U?
An unspecified number of NES and SNES games to start with, with more platforms being added over time.
Fox Mulder
Member
Look into your heart and you will know the true answer.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Well that does not sound like anything great
Yea the 30cent games will be normal price launching real VC huh?
Dion Blaster
Member
The funny part is the Wii can emulate it perfectly. And it can emulate rumble on games like Star Fox 64 and Ocarina of Time. Amazing they couldn't figure it out. Like I said, interns.
Nintendude712
Neo Member
Anyone else notice this black border on Balloon Fight?
That's a Miiverse screenshot I took, it fills up the whole screen on the GamePad but it has black borders all around on the TV. Really hope this gets fixed.
Edit: My Wii U is from the US, so it's not a 50hz problem
That's a Miiverse screenshot I took, it fills up the whole screen on the GamePad but it has black borders all around on the TV. Really hope this gets fixed.
Edit: My Wii U is from the US, so it's not a 50hz problem
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Anyone else notice this black border on Balloon Fight?
That's a Miiverse screenshot I took, it fills up the whole screen on the GamePad but it has black borders all around on the TV. Really hope this gets fixed.
Edit: My Wii U is from the US, so it's not a 50hz problem
The Wii U's handling of overscan seems to be pretty inconsistent. When I first booted the system I had some cropping problems. You might be experiencing something like that--I don't have Balloon Fight to confirm.
Nintendude712
Neo Member
Yeah, my TV was cropping the Wii U but all I had to do was go in the TV settings and change "overscan" to off, and it showed the whole picture. Everything on Wii U (Wii mode aside) has always filled up my entire screen except Balloon Fight just now. I hope this doesnt become a trend and gets fixed...
I've only had problems with overscaning in the Internet Browser, Wii Mode, and now Balloon Fight. I was able to fix the overscan with the Internet Browser since you can adjust the screen settings, but with the other two every time I want to fix it I have to manually switch my TV's settings back and forth from "Full-size" to "Normal."
perfectchaos007
Member
Iwata mentioning GBA games for the WiiU VC resulted in a huge facepalm from me. A GBA VC for 3DS was announced almost two years ago, and unless you're an ambassador, you still can't get any GBA titles. I took it as a blatant slap in the face for 3DS owners, unless Nintendo is also going to wait 2 more years before the first GBA WiiU VC title releases then it will just be a slap in the face for everyone.
Only thing I can figure is that maybe there's some legal reason they can't reverse engineer the FX chip. I'm not sure that even makes sense, but I believe it was co-developed with another company. Maybe that company held the rights to the chip hostage? Or that since it's so old, no one can find the proper people to okay it?
Surely they wouldn't just avoid Star Fox and Yoshi's Island because of the minimal extra effort involved. The creators of that chip are probably scattered along the globe.
Just a random and probably bad guess. It just makes NO sense at face value.
Dion Blaster
Member
Yeah the more I think about it there must be some technicality keeping them from being able to release them. They can't be THAT lazy. Although I could totally see the lack of rumble as an oversight.
IIRC they never actually said that GBA games would be coming to the 3DS VC. As stupid as it is, I think the 10 that ambassadors got is all we're going to see, at least for now.
Your choice of wording is confounding me. You're not "re-purchasing" anything. You're purchasing an upgrade.
I imagine we'll get it when we're not quite a few months from the launch date.
Dumping a giant lot of content on the same day onto a webstore is also usually not a good idea, either, and the VC catalog isn't exactly small.
I dunno, we'll have to wait for when Microsoft has games over 15 years old to put on XBLA for their next system to know how difficult it would be for them to do.
Rumble was achieved by an add-on to the N64. As I remember it, the only way to toggle if the Rumble Pak was on or off was to remove it from the controller; there were no software controls in the games to deactivate it. It could be a matter of the games not being easily able to take a software instruction to ignore the hardware, since you can't actively take rumble out of new controllers.
It could also be because the way controllers rumble has changed since the Rumble Pak. Rumble is very analog in strength and intensity, and when you change how that hardware operates, it may need to be tested or tweaked again and it was possibly something Nintendo didn't feel up to doing.
But it could have also been an oversight and by the time they realized it, the content was already live and bought by multiple customers.
And this is the best hidden feature of Virtual Console on Wii U... UPDATES. Once the VC stuff was on the Wii Shop Channel, it didn't get fiddled with afterward to address issues like rumble in N64 titles or anything else that may have come up. Since it'll be on eShop, updating the content will now be possible in ways that it previously wasn't. Not that I expect many of them to get updated after release, but we have that option now.
I think the 3DS will get it when it goes live with Nintendo Network/Miiverse, as I have suspicions that one of the reasons we're paying an upgrade fee on old VC titles is that VC titles will be universal across Nintendo Network, thus adjusting the terms of 3rd-party licenses, meaning more money needs to be paid to license holders. Which would explain why, for the time being, only NES, SNES and GBA were discussed, as N64 emulation on 3DS doesn't sound 100% feasible at the moment.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
So they're saving the GameCube VC announcement for e3 eh?
I wouldn't seriously believe that to stay true forever, I just figured they wanted to delay rolling them out for whatever reason, whether it was to get them out when the GB library dried up (which will take for-fucking-ever at this rate) or there were issues with the emulator to be worked out. Afterall, you put forth the effort to get the games working, why keep them forever held back for Ambassadors unless you intended to sell them?
Though depending on how much work can carry over I guess the Wii U offers the answer to the emulator. Though that presents another possible reason for holding back: so they can roll them out with accounts (or NNIDs anyway) applying to 3DS.
Nah, they'll probably just remake the 5-10 best selling ones into "HD" and re-sell them to you, like other companies have been doing. Wind Waker HD is the first in line.
Ein Bear
Member
I honestly hope they do this.
I'd much rather buy, say, Metroid Prime HD Trilogy for £30, than have them dump Gamecube ISOs on the service for a tenner a piece.
Gillian Seed
Banned
I agree.
katsubento
Member
StAidan
Member
Actually, it's been a while since this whole Ambassador thing, but I seem to recall that the difficulty is caused by the fact that those GBA games aren't running in emulation at all, but it's actually the hardware running in GBA mode. That's why the GBA games also don't have save states and don't pause/sleep when you close the 3DS lid -- there's no emulator layer to make it happen.
GBA hardware mode had to be left in for some backward compatibility concern with the DS, as I recall.
Because of those considerations, I've always figured there will never be any GBA games for sale on the 3DS eShop.
Ein Bear
Member
Oh come on. It's hardly a deal breaker, but surely letting you move your saves over couldn't be that hard to implement?
Balloon fight is 4:3. It should have black borders on the side. Or do you mean all the way around?
Since the original source is Kotaku (asking Nintendo), you have to wonder if it's just not possible right now or if it won't be even after the firmware update.
Yeah it's boxed probably to account for overscan. Given the ridiculous resolution difference from the game source to my monitor I didn't even notice until you pointed it out. It's interesting because the game itself seems to have overscan compensation as the VC config menu is slightly taller. Really weird.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
I didn't notice that it was also the case with the VC menu, but for Balloon Fight itself I had thought it was just a matter of having a good scaling ratio. The bilinear filter makes it look like turd, but on the whole multiplying NES/SNES games by 4.5 in both directions (for 1080p) is a good idea and results in an 1152x1008 image.
Seriously. If they don't do it officially, I wouldn't be surprised to see someone make an application that could transfer the relevant information from a Wii save file to a Wii U save file for the same emulated game.
Nintendo of America has essentially said this is how they handle it. Just spent a lot of time looking for a quote, but couldn't find it. Basically, they said they have to pick and choose from the titles developed by NCL, to the point where it's, "Should we localize this Wiiware game, or this Virtual Console game?"
that's really frustrating considering how many millions of people buy Nintendo systems worldwide. There should be a VC Team of business people to secure rights and full time coders to port games to Wii U and 3DS. How long has the 3DS been out and how many VC games available? No GBA support? what? why? Wii U should have had all the VC stuff at launch.
I remember there was an Iwata Asks about the 3D Classics on 3DS.... is there one about VC in general? I guess it would be back from the Wii launch though and the info could be out of date.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
... I just want Sega CD support this time...
Is that too much to ask?
Is that too much to ask?
BruiserBear
Banned
Probably. That's a very small niche of titles.
This was the only time the topic came up: http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/3ds/eshop/0/4
I suspect another might around when VC for Wii U comes out.
The Horror the horror
Banned
I fully agree.
This is ridiculous. Nintendo is scrambling to get content for their new platforms, and they couldn't mitigate the problem by assembling a strong team or division dedicted to securing/coding/tranferring older games for their newest systems? Yeah, it costs money, but they made a shitload of it last gen thanks to the DS and Wii.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
I would pay lots of moneys for Sega CD Lunars and Snatcher. Oh. And the Ecco games.
Fox Mulder
Member
I don't think Sega gives a damn about those games. Sonic CD probably wouldn't have ever seen a modern release if it weren't done by a fan and was free money for them.
I think that's up to Sega. I know there are a few Turbografx CD games on teh VC so it shouldn't be too hard to get working.
BruiserBear
Banned
Depends on whether or not like you like F-Zero, because it will be out next month.