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[cosmicblizzard]

I thought it hit over a million units on each system or something like that? Well, if that is the case, I am a little worried about the numbers for Bayonetta 2 then since I think action games such as Bayonetta appeal more to PS3 and X360 owners.

A million shipped combined. It was still considered a bomb by Sega or they wouldn't have cancelled the sequel.

We don't know how 2 is going to do, but there wasn't exactly a high bar in the first place. If it's well marketed by Nintendo while riding on the controversy of its platform, it could do very well and even better than its predecessor.

 

[Blades64]

How crazy would it be if Nintendo bought platinum.

Honestly I believe it can be absolutely amazing IF certain conditions are met.

IF Nintendo would provide Platinum Games the creative freedom they deserve it can be a great situation for both companies:

Nintendo will get "hardcore" points and of course consistently great first party titles.

Platinum will get the financial backing they so very much deserve and need. The Nintendo name (brand recognition) I believe will also help to boost sales. Platinum's games are already polished as is and Nintendo's name will just be the icening on the cake. It COULD be a win/win for both sides. Maybe along the same lines of relationship that they have with Retro to a certain extent.

 

[chertipros]

How do they work with Monolith Soft? I think Retro wouldn't be as good of an example due to the fact that they were involved with 2 pretty big IPs (Metroid, Donkey Kong Country). Monolith Soft has 3 teams, which Platinum has also, and they are based in Japan.

I'm not saying buying Platinum would be a good thing, I think their current partnership is good, but I'm inclined to believe they would do something similar to how they work with Monolith Soft.

I remember reading something somewhere (iwata asks maybe?) that Nintendo was more lenient during the development during of Xenoblade and gave them extensions to fix up the game, and even sent their own staff to help complete it and contribute whereas Monolith's previous publisher namco would have made them send out the game during the deadline as a buggy unfinished product. Iwata also said that he will only buy a developer if they have a similar corporate culture to them and seeing as to how Nintendo bought them and there hasn't been a mass exodus of staff, I'm guessing that is the case as well.

 

[The Technomancer]

Honestly I believe it can be absolutely amazing IF certain conditions are met.

IF Nintendo would provide Platinum Games the creative freedom they deserve it can be a great situation for both companies:

Nintendo will get "hardcore" points and of course consistently great first party titles.

Platinum will get the financial backing they so very much deserve and need. It COULD be a win/win for both sides. Maybe along the same lines of relationship that they have with Retro to a certain extent.

I'm thinking more along the lines of Nintendo's relationship with Monolithsoft.

 

[Retro_]

I just play games

If I have to buy new hardware to play the games I want, well, sucks, but I own a Vita, so clearly I have no scruples.

No one ever said getting everything you want was inexpensive.

Yeah

It's weird to think I'm in the minority but I would have gone wherever the game went. Because that's how I've always bought consoles. Not based on any brand allegiance or what line of consoles it's succeeding but by the software on the system.

 

[?oe?oe]

I'm thinking more along the lines of Nintendo's relationship with Monolithsoft.

96% ownership?

 

[The Technomancer]

96% ownership?

But with, at least from what I've gathered, complete creative control over their own work. Retro works on projects that Nintendo gives them, it seems like. Monolithsoft just does what they've always done, but for Nintendo

 

[Blades64]

I'm thinking more along the lines of Nintendo's relationship with Monolithsoft.

What is the nature of their relationship? I'm not sure how they work with each other.

Honestly though, maybe Nintendo doesn't even have to go so far as to outright buy the studio, but if they can continue to secure mutually beneficial contracts with PG, even that would be cool.

 

[StreetsAhead]

Honestly I believe it can be absolutely amazing IF certain conditions are met.

IF Nintendo would provide Platinum Games the creative freedom they deserve it can be a great situation for both companies:

Nintendo will get "hardcore" points and of course consistently great first party titles.

Platinum will get the financial backing they so very much deserve and need. The Nintendo name (brand recognition) I believe will also help to boost sales. Platinum's games are already polished as is and Nintendo's name will just be the icening on the cake. It COULD be a win/win for both sides. Maybe along the same lines of relationship that they have with Retro to a certain extent.

Thing is, people still don't know that Retro and Monolith are Nintendo. Some people don't care. It might help to have the financial back, but I honestly think a Sega-like publishing deal is more likely, at least for a few years. When Platinum is given an established Nintendo franchise to work on, then we can talk.

Spoiler

I really want them to buy Platinum, but I think Kamiya would leave if there was too much bulltish

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Monolithsoft just does what they've always done, but for Nintendo

And Skyward Sword.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Honestly I believe it can be absolutely amazing IF certain conditions are met.

IF Nintendo would provide Platinum Games the creative freedom they deserve it can be a great situation for both companies:

Nintendo will get "hardcore" points and of course consistently great first party titles.

Platinum will get the financial backing they so very much deserve and need. The Nintendo name (brand recognition) I believe will also help to boost sales. Platinum's games are already polished as is and Nintendo's name will just be the icening on the cake. It COULD be a win/win for both sides. Maybe along the same lines of relationship that they have with Retro to a certain extent.

There's no doubt in my mind that they would if there was a buyout.

I'm thinking more along the lines of Nintendo's relationship with Monolithsoft.

Like this ^

 

[LeleSocho]

Guys guys...

Guys...

Bayonetta in bayo2 is bald
that's why they never show their face and hers clothes are made of leather also in the video there's a bald wireframe

guys... i'm a genius.

 

[totowhoa]

There's no doubt in my mind that they would if there was a buyout.

Like this ^

I'm not convinced... if it ended up being like Monolithsoft, then that's cool (though it would suck for some of those who limit themselves to one or two platforms per gen). I've loved every game that Platinum has put out so far and I'd really rather they remain completely independent.

It's funny because Nintendo gets a lot of flak for third party issues, but there are some notable instances where they've fostered some really strong and close relationships, such as Treasure. I'm expecting a stronger relationship along those lines rather than a purchase, and that's what I'd prefer.

 

[farnham]

So whomever is interested..

Atsushi Inaba posted on twitter that he completed a Rom Check on Bayonetta 2. Whatever that means


Jan 31st
稲葉敦志(Atsushi Inaba) ‏@PG_inaba

大阪帰ってきております。今日は『Bayonetta2』のROMチェック日。さてさて。

Feb 1st

稲葉敦志(Atsushi Inaba) ‏@PG_inaba

『Bayonetta2』チェック終了。お腹いっぱい胸いっぱい楽しみました。もちろん、課題も山盛りいっぱい。でも未来をきちんと見せてもらいました！

 

[maquiladora]

So whomever is interested..

Atsushi Inaba posted on twitter that he completed a Rom Check on Bayonetta 2. Whatever that means


Jan 31st
稲葉敦志(Atsushi Inaba) ‏@PG_inaba

大阪帰ってきております。今日は『Bayonetta2』のROMチェック日。さてさて。

Feb 1st

稲葉敦志(Atsushi Inaba) ‏@PG_inaba

『Bayonetta2』チェック終了。お腹いっぱい胸いっぱい楽しみました。もちろん、課題も山盛りいっぱい。でも未来をきちんと見せてもらいました！

RAM OK
ROM OK

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Bayonetta 2 arcade boot-up screen CONFIRMED

 

[Roto13]

Bayonetta 2 arcade boot-up screen CONFIRMED

OMG arcade release! Not Wii U exclusive! WHAT A COUP!

 

[StreetsAhead]

Here's a high-res grab of the Bayonetta 2 monster that apparently Inaba confirmed to be in-game:

Just wanted to re-iterate in the relevant thread that Hashimoto/Inaba did confirm that this was in-game, real-time footage. So yeah. Also, buying the first Bayonetta soon to play on my bf's PS3.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Just wanted to re-iterate in the relevant thread that Hashimoto/Inaba did confirm that this was in-game, real-time footage. So yeah. Also, buying the first Bayonetta soon to play on my bf's PS3.

I hear this all the time but when did he say that? And god damn if it is..

 

[StreetsAhead]

I hear this all the time but when did he say that? And god damn if it is..

It was a tweet from PG's Hashimoto that Inaba retweeted;

『BAYONETTA2(ベヨネッタ2)』のメイキング映像、最後にチラッと出てる魔獣はWii Uでのリアルタイム映像(じつはゲーム画面初公開&#65311だったりします。

"The monster that appears at the end of the Bayonetta 2 'making-of' video is done in real-time on the Wii U (the first n-game footage?)."

(He also confirmed that the music from the video is one of the new songs being used in the game in another tweet, too. And the women with the red glasses, who looks like Jeanne, in the video is the one who animated the monster.)

 

[Hero of Legend]

So did they unlock the second Game & Watch to process that guyz?


Aka, would people consider that to be next-gen?

 

[EatChildren]

Aka, would people consider that to be next-gen?

No. It looks well within the confines of current generation systems.

 

[John Harker]

No. It looks well within the confines of current generation systems.

You think so? This is just a personal opinion, but I've seen things running on 'more powerful hardware' that looks the same if not not as good as that image.

Then again, subjective. Also, '2nd wave' vs '1st wave' and all that.

 

[Kimawolf]

Yeah that image looks really good. Looks like the first "next gen" shot we have of the Wii U doing something impressive. No, don't post the X gif please...

 

[Hero of Legend]

And don't forget that the game is likely to run in 60fps, as that's like the first thing Kamiya seems to focus on, when someone asked if 101 was in 60fps, he went "OF COURSE"!

Did ANYTHING in the original look close to that image?

 

[EatChildren]

You think so? This is just a personal opinion, but I've seen things running on 'more powerful hardware' that looks the same if not not as good as that image.

Then again, subjective. Also, '2nd wave' vs '1st wave' and all that.

Well, it wasn't so much a question of how good it looks, but that I don't really think that image is repetitive of where my mind goes to "next generation", nor contesting the idea that some first wave next generation titles won't look about that good.

It's too dark and, in my opinion, not doing anything visually evident to distance itself from what the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 were outputting. No evidence of advanced lighting, shaders, geometry, or texture resolution.

I do expect Bayonetta 2 to be very pretty though.

 

[TreasureHunterG]

honestly this would be one of their smartest moves since selling rare

I don't see how giving away IPs like Perfect Dark, Conker, Jet Force Gemini, Killer Instinct and Banjo was a smart move, really.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

No. It looks well within the confines of current generation systems.

Looks like lost planet 2 type monsters but that close on LP2 you can see all the blurry texture unlike on that dragon thingy.

 

[Hero of Legend]

I don't see how giving away IPs like Perfect Dark, Conker, Jet Force Gemini, Killer Instinct and Banjo was a smart move, really.

Yeah WTF was that about, I heard Iwata tried to keep them, but the Board of Directors denied it. Fuck...

Banjo. :'(

 

[Instro]

Image is too low quality and dark to make any real conclusions honestly.

 

[Hero of Legend]

Looks like lost planet 2 type monsters but that close on LP2 you can see all the blurry texture unlike on that dragon thingy.

Yeah, looks like this shot:

Considering the res, that has to be on PC, does the PC version have far better graphics settings? The textures are unbelievable.

 

[StreetsAhead]

You think so? This is just a personal opinion, but I've seen things running on 'more powerful hardware' that looks the same if not not as good as that image.

Then again, subjective. Also, '2nd wave' vs '1st wave' and all that.

Filing that away in my 'interesting things John Harker has said' mental bank.

Image is too low quality and dark to make any real conclusions honestly.

Indeed. I think to say conclusively whether this footage is 'beyond PS360' is impossible. The overall game may end up being so, but this footage is too short, too dark, and too low-quality.

 

[EatChildren]

Looks like lost planet 2 type monsters but that close on LP2 you can see all the blurry texture unlike on that dragon thingy.

That image is far too dark to make out any of the textures at all. The textures could be stupid amazing or stupid awful. Neither you nor I can tell, because that image doesn't show it. I think you guys might be confusing shaders as textures. The gloss on that Lost Planet creature is the shader, not the texture quality (though shader quality still is important).

On the topic of story, I don't see how this cant be a prequel, not unless they reinterpret some of the events of Bayonetta.

Spoiler

That demon is Gomorrah, and Father Balder snapped its neck. Unless there's more Gomorrah. Or it's not really dead.

 

[The_Lump]

Let's not try and read too much into a 1 second glimpse or a screenshot of said glimpse. We don't know what, if anything, is going on in that scene geometry, physics, texture wise etc. Just because it's been rendered on WiiU doesn't mean it's indicative of how the game will look overall. And if it is, it doesn't really show us much beyond a shiny looking, reasonably high poly character model. That is all.


Saying that, if a boss battle in game looked like that and was running in 1080p, and 60fps, then yeah that'd fit my expectations of "next gen" consoles

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

That image is far too dark to make out any of the textures at all. The textures could be stupid amazing or stupid awful. Neither you nor I can tell, because that image doesn't show it. I think you guys might be confusing shaders as textures. The gloss on that Lost Planet creature is the shader, not the texture quality (though shader quality still is important).

On the topic of story, I don't see how this cant be a prequel, not unless they reinterpret some of the events of Bayonetta.

Spoiler

That demon is Gomorrah, and Father Balder snapped its neck. Unless there's more Gomorrah. Or it's not really dead.

Im just going off of what Im seeing there.

 

[Majukun]

A million shipped combined. It was still considered a bomb by Sega or they wouldn't have cancelled the sequel.

We don't know how 2 is going to do, but there wasn't exactly a high bar in the first place. If it's well marketed by Nintendo while riding on the controversy of its platform, it could do very well and even better than its predecessor.

the game shipped around 1.3/1.5 million copies.
It was not considered a bomba by sega (actually if i remember well,they said they were pleased with the game sells),the sequel was canceled because sammy has decided to make sega stick to only their established franchises (football manager,total war,sonic and maybe some other).

 

[lwilliams3]

You think so? This is just a personal opinion, but I've seen things running on 'more powerful hardware' that looks the same if not not as good as that image.

Then again, subjective. Also, '2nd wave' vs '1st wave' and all that.

John, some people may misinterpret you or make your quote more than what it could be. Or it may be just me Just to clarify, are you talking about games that the public already saw before?

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

John, some people may misinterpret you or make your quote more than what it could be. Or it may be just me Just to clarify, are you talking about games that the public already saw before?

Yea My spidey senses have been tingling since I read it over 3-4 times lol

 

[Majukun]

That image is far too dark to make out any of the textures at all. The textures could be stupid amazing or stupid awful. Neither you nor I can tell, because that image doesn't show it. I think you guys might be confusing shaders as textures. The gloss on that Lost Planet creature is the shader, not the texture quality (though shader quality still is important).

On the topic of story, I don't see how this cant be a prequel, not unless they reinterpret some of the events of Bayonetta.

Spoiler

That demon is Gomorrah, and Father Balder snapped its neck. Unless there's more Gomorrah. Or it's not really dead.

Spoiler

well,that was probably just a reproduction made with bayonetta hairs,i don't think the demon died.
the demon at the end of the trailer seems like the real gomorrah,i mean his real and complete body....maybe we will visit Johnson forest in the game.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

That image is far too dark to make out any of the textures at all. The textures could be stupid amazing or stupid awful. Neither you nor I can tell, because that image doesn't show it. I think you guys might be confusing shaders as textures. The gloss on that Lost Planet creature is the shader, not the texture quality (though shader quality still is important).

On the topic of story, I don't see how this cant be a prequel, not unless they reinterpret some of the events of Bayonetta.

Spoiler

That demon is Gomorrah, and Father Balder snapped its neck. Unless there's more Gomorrah. Or it's not really dead.

Dunno why you're assuming it's an especially unique demon, especially since its description makes it sound very animal-like in nature. If Phantasmaraneae can have kids, why can't it?

Spoiler

well,that was probably just a reproduction made with bayonetta hairs,i don't think the demon died.
the demon at the end of the trailer seems like the real gomorrah,i mean his real and complete body....maybe we will visit Johnson forest in the game.

There's no "reconstruction" going on. Hair is just a catalyst used for summoning.

 

[Retro_]

I don't see how it can be a prequel

We've seen the guns the Umbra Witches used at the time of the Witch Hunts when they were wiped out

and they were no where near as modern as the set Bayonetta is using in the trailer.


Also Gomorrah didn't have spikes along its spine or even claws/hands. So I'm not even sure people are right in assuming it's the same demon/type of demon as the one in the trailer

 

[John Harker]

Um,both? I suppose. It's not a big deal. We all remember the x360 launch, right? Original titles, up ports.... Lots of opinions. I imagine it'll be similar this cycle... Not top long of a wait now!

 

[Nemesis_]

I don't see how it can be a prequel

We've seen the guns the Umbra Witches used at the time of the Witch Hunts when they were wiped out

and they were no where near as modern as the set Bayonetta is using in the trailer.


Also Gomorrah didn't have spikes along its spine or even claws/hands. So I'm not even sure people are right in assuming it's the same demon/type of demon as the one in the trailer

First game did play with time quite a bit, I guess they could do that but more dramatically in Bayo2.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

do you know whats bothering me about this. the way the P* employer is playing the game.

I hope im just reading into things to much but I know my bayonetta play is a lot more than nudging the analog stick and pressing a button.

 

[Boss Doggie]

do you know whats bothering me about this. the way the P* employer is playing the game.

I hope im just reading into things to much but I know my bayonetta play is a lot more than nudging the analog stick and pressing a button.

I'm pretty sure they're just checking if actions work rather than playing the game "hardcore" style.

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

Bayonettas and Lucas Daughter will kick ass.

 

[Roto13]

On the topic of story, I don't see how this cant be a prequel, not unless they reinterpret some of the events of Bayonetta.

Spoiler

That demon is Gomorrah, and Father Balder snapped its neck. Unless there's more Gomorrah. Or it's not really dead.

There's no "reconstruction" going on. Hair is just a catalyst used for summoning.

 

[Nemesis_]

Doesn't the mythos of Bayonetta talk about how every single witch has to make a pact with a demon from Inferno?

Maybe you break the pact, and go to Inferno to slay your "debt collectors" so to speak.

 

[NotLiquid]

Reminds me, think there was a theory earlier about Balder being the Lumen Sage in that teaser. That build looks way too feminine - I'd like to assume it's just a similar Bayonetta counterpart for the Sages. Hopefully that means we'll have more recurring mirror-type battles such as Jeanne in the first one.

Guess that means they're going to make Jeanne the Bayo equivalent of Trish while whoever the Sage is will be the equivalent of Vergil.

 

[Retro_]

First game did play with time quite a bit, I guess they could do that but more dramatically in Bayo2.

Idk there's really nothing to go on at this point to argue either way

I just think it would make more sense that Bayonetta and Jeanne began to revive their clan after the end of the first game, and the game goes on from there.

Or that Bayonetta is still doing whatever job she had before the Balder incident while working with Enzo and Rodin

Like the end of the game was completely open to take the sequel in any direction they wanted. It'd be a shame to go backwards and tell a story we already know the ending to instead. but that's just how I feel.

Doesn't the mythos of Bayonetta talk about how every single witch has to make a pact with a demon from Inferno?

Maybe you break the pact, and go to Inferno to slay your "debt collectors" so to speak.

Well those demon's are the source of their power. So it doesn't make alot of sense to oppose them

Like all of Bayonetta's Wicked Weaves are the limbs of her contract demon, Madama Butterfly.

Not sure how you'd use someones own arms and legs to fight them.

Sounds like a Kamiya twitter question

 

[Nemesis_]

Well those demon's are the source of their power. So it doesn't make alot of sense to oppose them

Like all of Bayonetta's Wicked Weaves are the limbs of her contract demon, Madama Butterfly.

Not sure how you'd use someones own arms and legs to fight them.

Sounds like a Kamiya twitter question

I was just theorising. Maybe she made a pact with a new demon or something? This would give opportunity to incorporate new styles of combat >_>