Cause it's an expectation most consumers have these days. Why does iPhone 3GS apps work on iPhone 5. Why do most of my software from Windows Vista work on Windows 8.
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Nikkei: PS4 to utilize Gaikai, have expanded social features, and no "Cell" chip
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Cause it's an expectation most consumers have these days. Why does iPhone 3GS apps work on iPhone 5. Why do most of my software from Windows Vista work on Windows 8.
phosphor112
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Readvacancy
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What's stopping people from using their ps3s to play their ps3 library? I never understood this issue. Is it that big of a deal?
Do we still have people asking these questions. So do you actually think the Digital version of Borderlands 2 doesn't use the Cell while the retail version does?
Aquamarine
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It's a convenient feature that's been a staple in PlayStation consoles.
People get angry when successive consoles have fewer features than their predecessor.
phosphor112
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SPE code would have to run on the GPU. The Cell is one PPU (general processor, power PC format) and 7 SPE's (extremely fast SIMD processors). GPU's do SIMD processing.
Zoe
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So any speculation coming from dev kits is baseless.
I would have to agree. I think it's a good thing that without BC it means no PSN games, because that really should force Sony's hand. Worst case scenario there's an addon.
Dr.Palutena
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People don't have the space in many aspects to keep every console hooked up to thier, some people travel a great distance to and from school , homes, whatever and while not a necessity only having to carry a few systems to play the games they want I'd convenient . Crazy enough, some people have needs and desires that aren't the all the same.
phosphor112
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Aquamarine
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You would think that companies can make flawless emulators of their own systems one generation removed, but after Microsoft's general-purpose Xbox software emulator on the 360 where many games have issues, I'm not sure I can believe that.
We'll have to see if Sony is willing to take a leap in emulating the Cell chip. Business-wise it would be much more cost effective to wrap ROMs up as "PS3 Classics."
Clay Davis
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better have bc, that's pretty much all I care about at this point. if it doesn't, then fuck it. I've invested far too much money into psn to not have that content carry over. there also a ton of games that won't ever see a sequel that I play on a regular basis.
give me bc or fuck off.
give me bc or fuck off.
phosphor112
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phosphor112
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Next-next gen (PS5) won't need cell to emulate PS3. Things will be so powerful that emulation will be trivial, just like how PS2 emulation for PS4 would be trivial. So they only need it for this next gen, then they can drop it.
AgentP
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Get prepared to fuck off, you won't get BC. Sony is going to make their case with new software and leave the PS3 software for the PS3. BC is economically and technically unfeasible.
Domcorleone
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When the PS4 drops does your PS3 suddenly stop working? I dont understand this logic...
amishpriest99
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While I suppose I could live without BC, this is really my main concern.
plagiarize
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thank you for the explanation.
Clay Davis
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then they can fuck off. if sony don't have bc and microsoft go down the always online / no used games route, then I'm going PC only. fuck this next gen console shit where consumers are fucked over and over again.
my tv only supports 4 hdmi sockets and all four are currently in use (wii u, sky, 360, ps3) and as I replace each one, ps3 - ps4, 360 - durango. I have no spare sockets, so yes...my ps3 does stop working when ps4 drops.
I also don't want my ps3 taking up valuable real estate under my telly. it's already cluttered as it is.
badcrumble
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Older PS3s do suddenly stop working fairly often, you know.
Domcorleone
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I hear ya, but I dont think we (consumers) should potentially pay extra for the minor inconvenience of storage space. It sucks but I'd rather pay 399 no BC than 449 with BC. I have a PS3 that works perfectly fine, I'll dust it off and plug it in when I want to play my old games.
phosphor112
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RIP my beautiful glossy fat with BC.... =[
Zippedpinhead
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I want BC compatibility, at least as much as what the PS3 has currently (PS2 classics and PS1 classics)
PS2 disc games, PSN titles or PS3 titles? I want them, and if they are all available day 1, I will be getting a PS4, if they are not available then it will be more difficult for SONY to get me to be a day 1 (or maybe even year 1) owner.
PS2 disc games, PSN titles or PS3 titles? I want them, and if they are all available day 1, I will be getting a PS4, if they are not available then it will be more difficult for SONY to get me to be a day 1 (or maybe even year 1) owner.
Zoe
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If they follow the same pattern as with the Vita, then having a PS4 will take away one of your console slots. So yes, games could just stop working.
Also, any Bluetooth peripherals you have linked to the PS3 won't smoothly carry over back and forth to the PS4.
I don't think anyone is insinuating that BC has to be shoved down everyone's throats and people have to live with the increased price whether they like it or not. However, a different SKU with BC (I think three SKUs would be OK - one cheapo one with lower GBs and no BC, a normal one with high GBs and no BC, and a premium one with high GBs and BC included) or at least a Cell add-on would go a long way and make all sides happy.
I really just want PS3 BC, but PS1 + PS2 + PS3 + PS4 games all on one console would be a ridiculous selling point.
Clay Davis
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yep, I still miss my launch ps3.
which is why they should release a premium / deluxe sku that offers bc alongside a cheaper one that doesn't.
hell, sell a standalone dongle or accessory that allows for bc, but I want bc. it's even more important after this gen.
soundahfekz
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Screw BC, that's what the ps3 is for. Hardware emulation isnt happening, software emulation is hit or miss and Gaikai isn't a realistic solution for anyone that cares about input reponse. If they come up with an external solution, cool. If not, oh well.
I want a cheaper console that still has horsepower and that's what's being delivered.
Shalashaska161
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It would be cool if Sony launched with a backwards compatible model that works with all the previous PlayStation generations. I'd play a premium for that, especially at launch.
Pai Pai Master
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Yep I'd pay $599 for a premium PS4 SKU that played PS2 and PS3 games natively. Totally okay with Sony leaving it out in order to get a better entry level price though.
Live Free or Die
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Because they all use the same base OS.
badcrumble
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Likewise, and I think it'd be a much better point of differentiation than HDD capacity.
$399 with PS1 BC, $499 with PS 1/2/3 BC sounds fair. Maybe the PS4 is capable of PS2 software BC too, who knows.
FlyingTeacup
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it's probably had been said, I would be very pleased if I could purchase an expansion to do the bc. i doubt the next consoles would have bc at all.
Clay Davis
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screw you buddy. why should I suffer because you're a lazy bum who can't afford 50 bucks more for a new console?
I completely agree. I'd like to catch up on some of the PS3 exclusives I missed.
Why should 70 million people have to pay an extra 50 bucks when you can just keep the console you already own or buy a spare for when yours dies?
For the record, If there was a model with BC for an extra £50 I'd buy it. But I'll buy it even if it has no BC what so ever and I won't complain about it.
Clay Davis
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sigh, gone over this so many times. look a few posts up. it's all there.
you're part of the reason gamers are treated like shit. why shouldn't you complain? it's your duty as a gamer to complain. it's anti consumer to not have bc, especially if they've been promoting a digital store for years without any indication or notice that these games won't work on newer tech.
soundahfekz
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LOL, personal attacks now? BC is officially serious business. I'm sorry you're upset man!
I'd rather a cheaper console for playstation sustainability while maintaining a generational leap. In this environment where stability is needed that's the best you can ask for. I enjoy the 1st party games Sony offers and would rather the company stick around then 599 it again and bow out at some point. BC isn't feasible with the shape they're in and honestly if they aren't sticking it to the consumer while subtracting the BC, that's fine with me.
Uno Venova
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Has putting the PS3 inside the PS4 been recommended yet?
I should care about BC, but realistically I played 0 PS2 games once the new gen started, I expect the same this time around.
I should care about BC, but realistically I played 0 PS2 games once the new gen started, I expect the same this time around.
Clay Davis
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it was more tongue in cheek than an insult.
normally, I'd be happy to pay less for newer tech, but this time it's different. there are too many games I don't want to lose access to / want easy access to from my ps4. it's a convenience thing, but it's also about space, sockets.and not having to worry about where I'll get a new ps3 if my current one breaks down.
as I said, I don't mind them releasing a premium sku that offers bc and one that doesn't, so they can cater to everyone or I'll ever accept a bc dongle / accessory, but I do want bc.
there's literally no negotiation on this point for me. it really is as simple as offer bc or fuck off.
I would complain if I gave a fuck. I don't. I get that people do but I don't.
Count me as part of the problem all you like. No shits shall be given.
I worked on the (I thought relatively sane) assumption that my PS3 games worked on my PS3 and nothing else. They were never sold as anything but PS3 games.
As I said, they they give the option for a model with BC then I'll buy it, if they don't I won't care and if they release an addon I'll probably never buy it.
If enough people actually gave a shit about BC then every console ever would have BC for all games on that brand. They don't and they don't. Certain key enthusiasts do, but I don't think that everyone else should have to pay the price for that and selling different hardware SKUs with actual mainboard differences like we are discussing is not always an option, especially when you consider how many people are expected to buy these machines over their lifetime.
I think they SHOULD have BC. For all the reasons you want it. I really do. For gamers around the globe that DO want to play old games. I just cannot honestly say that I'll give two hoots if they don't. I'm the complete opposite of you I suppose. And I have space under my TV and spare HDMI sockets which helps
Releasing 2 versions with such a great disparity in feature set would be a recipe for disaster. The non BC system would not sell well and be referred to as the gimped version especially for persons who do not already own a PS3.
Dead Prince
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i for one accept no ps3 bc if it means a risk. if sony can get devs to make ps4 games early on the better.
astroturfing
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that's what i was thinking, just put them both inside whatever ugly box. if Sony released something that plays all PlayStation games i would buy it no matter how ugly or expensive.. just for the convenience. if PS4 doesn't have BC, i will have 3 different PlayStations that play different games and that's really fucking inconvenient in a tiny apartment. just plain annoying. especially since my PS2 and PS3 probably aren't going to last that many years..
Backfoggen
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I hope Gaikai stuff will include the less latency stuff they talked about in that one keynote with Nvidia.
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