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DF: Orbis vs Durango Spec Analysis
- Thread starter iamshadowlark
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THE:MILKMAN
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BG. It's you vs me on that one.
So you are in the blue corner (not happening) and BG is in the red corner (happening) Fight!
I hope neither block used games.
It's being updated with post highlighting and a who quoted me thing.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Really MS can always change it if the out cry is to loud or they notice it's giving Sony to big of edge .
EDIT Gaf going crazy lol .
EDIT Gaf going crazy lol .
Kung Fu Grip
Banned
I always say you shouldn't believe any rumor until the consoles are announced. Who knows where these leaked specs are coming from. And bgassassin's update on the Durango CPU is the reason why I say this. Nothing is final until they are officially shown. I'm sure we'll here some changes in PS4 too. Well, the 20th is almost here.
bgassassin
Member
^ Yep. All I can do is pass along what I hear. No one is obligated to believe it.
Something like that. I gather Sony will look to make money off it while MS it saying "no" altogether at least for now.
Haha. With all the complaining about it I'd like to see it not happening. Just that as it stands I can't doubt it.
Something like that. I gather Sony will look to make money off it while MS it saying "no" altogether at least for now.
BG. It's you vs me on that one.
Haha. With all the complaining about it I'd like to see it not happening. Just that as it stands I can't doubt it.
Stuff like BF3/MMOs need a beefy CPU on PC to run good. Cowadoody stuff is GPU limited instead. Depends on the game.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
The CPU rework thing is interesting, but even he has posted it in a way saying "It seems like it may be". Where's for the online thing he claims "100% certainty".
bgassassin
Member
Well I did say that 100% was as of now.
The "uncertainty" is habit of mine as I've always tried to leave room for changes. So honestly I could put a 100% tag on the CPU info as well since I don't have a reason to doubt the person it came from.
No offline modes at all as I understand it.
I try. The same as I tried to do with Wii U.
phosphor112
Banned
MAG had 265 players and the "general processing" of the PS3 sucked ass. I'm not worried.
pharmboy044
Member
WTF, always online is a possibility with Durango? I don't think GAF would be able to handle this kind of news if it comes to fruition.
I see. I hope MS changes this. Looks unlikely...
bgassassin
Member
Yeah I wouldn't tell anybody to hope for the best at this point.
Kung Fu Grip
Banned
I believe you. I'm just saying rumored specs are not final specs. Your updated info about durango proves my point.
If Sony shows the specs of PS4 next week i bet they'll be completely different from what we have now. In better ways and worse. I hope not worse though.
What the what.
pharmboy044
Member
So if only Microsoft does this, wouldn't they be digging their own grave?
IIRC, that poster was saying things like "I'm going to meet my college roommate AMD insider at the Toronto Ruth Cris Wednesday evening. What questions should I ask him?" He was being absurdly reckless.
I wouldn't look at it that way. Microsoft has enough loyal consumers and developers that they'll do just fine with that kind of setup.
Uno Venova
Banned
Damn.
Kung Fu Grip
Banned
Who's using it?
Proelite
Member
statham
Member
people thought they were digging their own grave when they went broadband only for xbox.
phosphor112
Banned
...wasn't PS2 broadband only too? Either way, that's a silly thing for people to say.
bgassassin
Member
Hey would you care to respond my friend?
To what am I responding to good sir?
Completely forgot about that. You could argue this is just a natural evolution to that.
From the 3D sound patent it looks like the PS4 will have a head tracking module & Device (DS4 /Move) tracking module on-board so that might not be the case & the CU should be free for other tasks. unless the modules are made up from the CU's.
I'm sure there will be some, pretty much always is in console parts, just likely not to the same extent.
phosphor112
Banned
I still think they'll include PE's on the crossbar. I'm just crazy at this point though.
Wishmaster92
Member
bgassassin, wouldn't the most logical explanation be that since the next xbox will come packaged with kinect 2 it would be somewhat less powerful than the ps4 since the next playstation probably wont come with anything fancy except the console, the controller and maybe the ps eye assuming they would cost almost the same?
I think they are doing this because publishers wanted some thing like this. Their reasons for such a move wouldn't be big enough to potentially lose on hardware sales. The money they would get with no second hand market would be way lower than the money they loose with lower hardware sales.
So, there are three reasons why they would do this: they are dumb and cocky, publishers offered some big exclusive deals which could lead to possible hardware sales and thus recover those lost sales or as the ultimate reason: Sony will do the same (maybe in a different way) and will also prevent used game sales...
Proelite
Member
PMs are not working on mobile site for some reason.
Only if you're assuming they started out with the same BOM.
bgassassin
Member
Something like how they added VMX128 to Xenon.
Seems to be "plain" cores being compensated by GPU CUs. I think the main detriment to this design for PS4 at least for now is that GPU compute is rarely used in current game development. So it may take a little while for devs to fully adapt.
Yeah I guess this makes sense. Still odd that MS concentrated on the CPU as much. We'll see how that works out.
Hmm, well that could be interesting. I suppose we'll be able to see first party utilising it properly and then closer to the end of generation third party getting the hang of it.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It wouldn't surprise me if it's true. There was some speculation before that the increase could come from the beefed up VMX units (units that are comparable in functionality to compute units on GPU)
IMO the reason is that it would not work on PS3/360, and all the engines and dev effort in general is to make sure stuff works well on them.
bgassassin
Member
^ Actually. Yes. Though not in those words as I understand it.
IMO speculation is trying to come up with a conclusion based on limited info. This isn't speculation.
It would be less powerful if the console had some of the BoM dedicated to Kinect performance. Just like how Wii U's gamepad does the same.
It could also explain IGN's dev survey.
IMO speculation is trying to come up with a conclusion based on limited info. This isn't speculation.
It would be less powerful if the console had some of the BoM dedicated to Kinect performance. Just like how Wii U's gamepad does the same.
It could also explain IGN's dev survey.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Planetside 2 runs at 10-15 fps in bigger fights on cpus more powerful than what's supposed to be in ps4.
You aren't worried because most games have been designed around the super weak console cpus.
Just the UI of many mmos (yes that's right, the UI on its own) can bring a low/mid end cpu to its knees.
Turn off the ui in tera (which uses scaleform) and your framerate will double.
Kung Fu Grip
Banned
With the huge OS stuff they want to do it looks like they needed to.
I'm really curious as to how PS2 will turn out of it's ported to PS4.
Glorified G
Member
Just like your Wii U 600GFLOP GPU prediction wasn't speculation?
bgassassin
Member
That was speculation to an extent. I tried to make the best conclusion I could based on the info I got. I address that in this post and others starting here if you're interested.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=47400569&highlight=#post47400569
Glorified G
Member
I was messing around. I don't really care whether people are speculating are not since I always take everything regarding these type of discussions with a grain of salt.