Graphics Horse
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It may be a part of it but the costs involved are absurd, it would be a premium service without question, and there's no reason to limit it to PS3 games.
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Kotaku Rumor: PS4 out in November, control with your phone/tablet, maybe $429/529
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It may be a part of it but the costs involved are absurd, it would be a premium service without question, and there's no reason to limit it to PS3 games.
Gamers aren't opposed to paying for a subscription service, they're opposed to getting poor value from it. XBL is horrible value whereas PS+ gets you playing lots of games tons of discounts. That being said, as a PS+ member from day 1, I still would boycott PS4 if they made online play PS+ only, because it would hurt the online communities of games with fewer people playing. A Netflix sub which is twice as expensive as XBL doesn't bother me, but XBL does, because it doesn't give you any content in exchange for your money.
Dirtyshubb
Member
Im gonna re post part of a response I made in another thread of my opinion with regards to some peoples worries regarding Sony charging for online ect:
When the article states most things behind a paywall its relative to what the PS4 offers as a whole, not in comparison to PS3. I would bet money that online gaming, messaging, chat, non PS apps ect will all still be free. What will likely be charged for is any new service that is part of the network such as video uploading/sharing, instant streaming of games/demos, access to other new social services ect.
I understand its easy to get scared that Sony will go the way of Microsoft and decide to charge for everything but I really think that isnt a concern, they know what an advantage this things can be when people decide to buy a console.
People just need to calm down, stop the hyperbole and use some common sense before throwing a fit.
When the article states most things behind a paywall its relative to what the PS4 offers as a whole, not in comparison to PS3. I would bet money that online gaming, messaging, chat, non PS apps ect will all still be free. What will likely be charged for is any new service that is part of the network such as video uploading/sharing, instant streaming of games/demos, access to other new social services ect.
I understand its easy to get scared that Sony will go the way of Microsoft and decide to charge for everything but I really think that isnt a concern, they know what an advantage this things can be when people decide to buy a console.
People just need to calm down, stop the hyperbole and use some common sense before throwing a fit.
CadetMahoney
Member
A whole gen of forum fans going on about the "free online" mantra forgotten in an instant would be the meltdown of meltdowns. . . but would Sony be that foolish?
Beer Monkey
Member
Backwards compatibility is worth a monthly fee? No
It will be more awesome if you're just plain wrong.
Im okay with this. Just let me keep my free online multiplayer.
Sounds interesting if true. Great that online play would still be free.
PlayStation Cloud as a separate service or one online sub for everything is a choice Sony has to make...keeping it simple like this has advantages, separating them would also have advantages (you could opt in to one or other at lower cost).
edit - actually, going by this Cloud would be available separately under another model also...but they sort of roll two into one with this, and it presumably works out cheaper
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Multiplayer and voice chat remains free, so no hiding the Internet behind a paywall. Good!
If true it is perfect. I have no problem at all!
Exactly what I expect Sony will do. Online multplayer will remain free, but from now on any new features will be part of a subscription service.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Very good news that they will keep online gaming free. The increase in price for Plus is a bit of a disappointment, if this is true of course. I'm not sure I would consider cloud based gaming or the ability to share pictures/videos a good enough reason to keep paying for a pricier Plus.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
now that's something i can back up. hope it's true.
Current PS+ + Gaikai ad other features is fine for that price. As long as online gaming remains free they have the advantage over MS.
CadetMahoney
Member
I don't believe that.
That's more of what I've been hearing.
$40 more for cloud gaming and uploading to YouTube? They're going to have to really sell me on Gaikai working well for me to jump on that.
I guess some that were expecting meltdowns will be dissapointed if true. Btw, it just makes sense.
Projectjustice
Banned
If they plan to charge $89 a year, multiplayer will be part of that. The other features without multiplayer doesnt justify that price tag.
And if that Gaikai service enables access to stream PS3s library?
The access to free games, discounts, early betas, cloud saves, automatic background downloading is already worth more than that.
Opus Angelorum
Member
No.
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I will laugh my ass off if the PS4 is 1) bundled w/ its own "kinect" 2) has a huge focus on being an "all in one entertainment box" 3) a Gold service and 4) anti-used games... all the things people were bashing the Durango for lolol Oh sweet irony!
PS+ totally justifies the $50 price tag. If they increase the amount of games and features, it'll justify the $89 tag as well. However I think this is not a very good system. PS+ should be $59 at most in order to not be more expensive than XBL, as in the current state we already get more games than we can play.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
If Sony charges $90 to play online and Microsoft only charges $50 then Sony is dead in the water. The majority of gamers don't care about cloud saving or most of that other stuff. They just want to play online.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
It includes PS Plus + a bunch of other things according to the rumour. I think this will be the annual fee. There will probably be separate tiers.
Mortimer Brewster
Member
That 89$ a year sounds pretty sketchy imo but I do expect PS+ or Playstation World or whatever they decide to name the service will have a price increase but I don't see it being more then 10$ or 20$ increase.
if there is any truth to that my prefered way of doing it would be them having plus at $50, ps world basic at $50 (aka no plus) and then the full package that includes both at $90.
I really like plus, but I will likely drop it when my sub is up if i have to start paying $90 for it as most other features sony could include with a playstation world sub I wouldn't want.
Projectjustice
Banned
Well so far the rumor is $89 and not $50 so thats what I based my post on.
Exactly and not having multiplayer part of that is just insane.
travisbickle
Member
I don't think you'll find out all of this tomorrow, but I'd put money on the ps4 coming with a camera. If you want to call a camera a"kinect" device fair enough, I just cannot see an electronics device being sold in 2013/14 without the ability to videochat out of the box. Here in South Korea I've seen set-top boxes with cameras, and gesture control!!
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Then they shouldn't be charging that much. Any of the people who just get online to play COD aren't paying $90 to do it when they could go to the 720 and pay $50 maximum. Those people will just go buy 720.
I think they'll focus on everything but the used games bit. If that's a "feature", I definitely expect the lead to be buried on that. Everything else seems like it's fair game for unveiling tonight.
well so far the rumor says: $89 for PS+ and online MP free, so......
The previous rumour was that basic online features would still be free while others behind a paywall.
So anything is pointing to MP being locked like XBL at all. And if Gaikai streaming is worth, i can see them rising the price. Maybe there will be 2 levels of subscription, basic psn+ like it is now and an emhanced one with all the bells & whistles.
1) if it doesn't have impact on price , as it seems way cheaper than kinect, it won't be a real issue
2) ps3 was already a it does everything box, so ps4 is going to be the same, only better
3) As long as gold service is like psn+, i do not see where the problem is at all
4) we will have to wait and see
Projectjustice
Banned
It depends on what you are offering these COD players. This is one group of people that has no problems spending money on things that adds to their experience of the game. Showing off to other players whats more important to them.
Projectjustice
Banned
Im thinking the same thing with 2 levels of subs. I still believe that MP online wont be free like XBL.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I don't believe so. Charging for online play and giving away a healthy amount of free games each and every month along with possibly some downloadable content as well as the additional features is a very good value proposition in the face of a $50/$60 Xbox Live that only offers some of the above features.
Cloud gaming especially. To offer any subscriber access to their entire cross generation back catalogue. Incredible value.
Now that I've thought about it, I actually don't mind the price as much as I initially did, but it all depends on how Sony leverage cloud gaming and Plus on PS4.
TONX
Distinguished Air Superiority
Makes sense since you don't pay for that on the Vita. Would confuse people.
UberTag
Member
Spiking the Plus cost (unless they let people buy in for multiple years early at the current rate) won't drive the revenue that Xbox LIVE does.
If anything, they may actually lose people that enjoy Plus on PS3 and Vita if it's going to cost them $89/annually to maintain it under the new PSWorld branding.
This also implies a limited BC-compatible library through this pay window instead of having access to everything that's presently digitally available.
The Elite
BOSS
gaming_noob
Member
Looks amazing!
If true, that looks goofy as hell and I expect the hardware to be designed by Fisher Price.
HueyFreeman
Banned
No, this pre-dated the flashback HD news, thank you very much
I'm as concerned as you are.IonicSnake
Banned
The 89$ might be the all-in-one package. I'd be surprised if they removed Plus as it is now. Maybe 49$ for Plus as usual, 49$ for Cloud Gaming with Gaikai or 89$ for both.
Not a fan. But, like anything, I'm sure it would grow on me if, in fact, it is official.