PRjumpman124
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No, the plan for the fabula Nova Chrystalis was for the games to share a common mythos but that's it. They said this YEARS ago though so who knows. I still doubt it though.
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Final Fantasy XIII Versus outfit designer lists game as Final Fantasy XV (15)
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No, the plan for the fabula Nova Chrystalis was for the games to share a common mythos but that's it. They said this YEARS ago though so who knows. I still doubt it though.
Thamauturge
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The less ties it has with XIII the better as far as I'm concerned.
Napalm_Frank
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Noctis orgy?
When you're making a game there's a philosophy and design thought process that goes with it. When Versus was being created it was designed with the thought of being different from the mainline FF games. By changing Versus to XV it can mean many things and honestly it could be bad in a lot of ways. If they're changing Versus to XV then this means that the Versus game that they originally wanted to make is now adhering to the philosophy of mainline FF games. However it could also mean that the philosophy of mainline FF games have changed and Versus just happens to fit it so they changed the name. There are a lot of implications. You don't simply do a name change to a franchise/IP of something else without destroying some sort of design philosophy. It speaks ill.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Well, all that work put into the game thus far would make real sense into them converting it into a PS4 game.
Green Mamba
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A rebranded Versus better not be the big new next gen Final Fantasy they said they would reveal. I would really like to see a new Final Fantasy at some point in the near future. A long delayed game from 2006 that I've never been looking forward to won't cut it for me.
Thamauturge
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Over reaction.
The original plan was to separate FFXIII across three games. Versus, Agito, and XIII. They were meant to not carry any more weight than the other and be different takes on the same mythology. However, XIII not having a surname ala Versus or Agito made it seem more important than the others, Agito dumped it and renamed it, so at this point having it be FF Versus XIII just wouldn't make any sense.
zeopower6
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It would seem a little weird since there's all that Etro/crystal stuff in Versus, but I guess in the time which we've heard nothing they could have revamped the entire story. :/ I could see then just lopping off the XIII and calling it Versus or some other ridiculous title, just not becoming a main-numbered title. If it IS the case, then what's the new title they're doing for the PS4?
Honestly, I wonder if even Roen knows wtf is going on with the game after working on the clothing design in 2008 with little being released for Versus since 2011.
Honestly, I wonder if even Roen knows wtf is going on with the game after working on the clothing design in 2008 with little being released for Versus since 2011.
ComputerMKII
Banned
Is this even considered good English? Who the fuck says that? It's weird as fuck.
Manmademan
Member
that, and the existence of XIII-2 and XIII-3 make XIII-versus a bad idea from a naming standpoint. it was always going to be something else, just not necessarily 15.
Thamauturge
Banned
I don't think it's an overreaction at all. It's completely understandable. When you have a foundation that you set that contradicts or is in conflict with how the base is created for an already established franchise/series then I think there is a problem Sure a name is just a name but I think it can be something much more. This is what I"m implying. Also changing the name from XIII-Agito to Type-0 isn't the same thing as going from Versus XIII to XIV.
VII, VIII, and XI are on PC.
Green Mamba
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..."hopefully?"
EDIT: Versus being a PS4 only game after revealing it as a tentpole PS3 game that people bought the system for would be a tremendous slap in the face.
By that logic, we should also include Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, After Years, Revenant Wings, a bazillion FFXI expansions and others.
Different generation and times. The Xbox is too big for them to ignore it, particular in NA.
xion4360
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Thats not entirely true, I believe nomura at one point argued that versus was more like a traditional FF game than FFXIII. gameplay wise, theres nothing stopping square from taking it in a more action rpg direction, it was already headed there anyway.
sure, but I was thinking about sequels and not spin offs or expansions. also, thinking about the platform not the generation.
To be frank, all that talk was just lip service. Even in its original form, it adhered to what you'd expect out of a FF title. Its changes were no more significant than what you already get in other FF titles from one game to the next. That was just their way trying to differentiate the title, and create a concept of a universe in order create a big audience. It's a case of putting the cart before the horse. It clearly didn't work due to how unprepared SE were, in general, for next generation development.
Go_Ly_Dow
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May not be exclusive to next-gen consoles.
Current and Next-gen cross platform is a likely possibility.
1. because Square have had no problems with releasing numbered FF games after a new console launch
2. the game seemed to be up and running on PS3 and they showed of a variety of different areas/features
Current and Next-gen cross platform is a likely possibility.
1. because Square have had no problems with releasing numbered FF games after a new console launch
2. the game seemed to be up and running on PS3 and they showed of a variety of different areas/features
Jawmuncher
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Check 1.
Now I just need valve to confirm its half life 3 and not half life 2 episode 3 and I win.
Now I just need valve to confirm its half life 3 and not half life 2 episode 3 and I win.
Thamauturge
Banned
I would agree but KH 1.5 seems to update their stance on multiplat releases...
Nomura in particular dislikes the 360 IIRC
I'm only speaking in hypothetical and in an ideal situation. What they said about Versus could very well be wrong and in all honesty if the philosophy aligns I think all is well. I'm just using Versus as an example of how design philosophy can collide and conflict when a name change occurs. It's an assimilation into an established philosophy or a change of something that's been long established. Whether what's been said of Versus being true or not is sort of irrelevant. I'm more concerned about what the situation implies. Versus is only a means of introducing the idea.
Green Mamba
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This is what I am concerned about--this is a awful potential slippery slope that I have absolutely no faith in the heads at FF to avert. Think Mass Effect to Mass Effect 2, but with Wada behind it.
FFXVII a cover shooter? More likely than you think.
Obviously I'm exaggerating here, but I do see it as a slippery slope that I really rather the series not fall down.
If it makes it any better, the concept of "Versus XIII" and the direction it has ultimately headed in, is no different today than it was back in the projects early stages.
That Dude John
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This makes sense to be honest. Though wasn't it still VersusXIII in the 2011 trailer? What was shown was from 2008. Unless they were planning that far ahead...
cj_iwakura
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I think it's worthy of XV, I'm okay with this. As long as it still happens.
He doesn't. That's something fanboys made up.
Regardless, I see SE and Nomura focusing on one platform for this game, whether that's PS3 or PS4. I think it'll still be on PS3 as an exclusive. Cross gen doesn't seem like something they'd do. That'd be more common for a Western game.
H_Prestige
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Even if Versus is now XV, how and why would Roen know about it since last year? Their work on the game has been finished for a long time.
Do you have anything that says that? If anything SE wouldn't waste the time to do it because there's no market for the 360 version in JP.
xion4360
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That would work if it was being renamed into a different franchise. at the end of the day, its still a Final Fantasy game weather its Versus XIII or XV. yes there are different implications to being part of a sub series, but its unique enough to stand on its own or have its own number.
as long as they are involved with the project, they would know.
Isn't Nomura close friends with the designer? However if that were true it probably wouldn't make any more sense.
zeopower6
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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they only know as much as we do about Versus. :/ Back in 2010, Nomura had that interview about the 'scenario being completed' along with all character designs and also all work by Roen was also finished up.
I wonder when the next "it's still happening, I'm looking at some towns in a meeting right now!" tidbit is going to come out.
I'm not saying it can't stand on its own. I'm saying that there is a core philosophy that SE probably adheres to when designing mainline FF games. Versus, at least when it was spoken in the past, was designed to be different. Specifically it was designed to be different from XIII. These are very two different philosophies. If Versus really is getting a name change, something has changed. Either one of the philosophies has changed or it got assimilated into the other.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Saying its too big when both install bases are at 0 is kind of weird.
And there is also a big distinction there. It's not hard to imagine Square Enix has a horse in the race they'd like to see pull ahead and its probably not the one that is completely irrelevant in Japan. Besides FF13 had a 2:1 split in favor of the PS3 in the states.
I don't think it'd be exclusive but I could conceivably see a case where it happens.
PapaJustify
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If that is true it is not an PlayStation exclusive anymore (which is fine with me).
H_Prestige
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If there is a core set of rules, then they must be pretty flexible for these two to qualify.
xion4360
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what part of Final Fantasy XIII adheres to any established philosophy about what it means to be a Final Fantasy game? its radically different than games before it. Even XII was radically different and had virtually nothing in common with the prior.
also a strong argument, Final Fantasy is whatever it is, as long as it has chocobos and is a role playing game it can be final fantasy.
Manmademan
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not really, since jp games sell better on PS3 here. FFXIII sold about twice as many copies on the PS3 as the 360 in NA.
the numbers for XIII-2 were even more lopsided. I think i remember seeing 4-1 in favor of PS3.
combine that with sony outselling microsoft in EU, and the 360 being a non entity in japan, square could very easily be moneyhatted into making 15 exclusive. I doubt microsoft cares, FF has lost a LOT of cred since it's heyday, and jrpgs are quickly on their way to "niche genre."
BigBadShamoo
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I need more Versus. I need moar versus. Some of the clothes created for final fantasy are quite awesome. Probably wouldn't see them on the streets but we should, some of these threads are quite remarkable.
Touche. I actually have no retort for this. If I would have to make a guess it'd have to be that the online mainline games are designed similarly but has its own tenets. Why it's not called something else is beyond me then. I have no explanation. lol.
Yeah man, ignoring a 70m (+70m
) userbase is the smart thing to do.They can make this PS3/PS exclusive then FF XVI multiplat. FF XIV isn't on the 360 either...
Supermanisdead
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Man, who really cares about this anymore? Just release it as Versus 13 since everyone knows what that is already. Making it 15 is desperate.
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