Are you going to pollute two threads at once, forcing your highly subjective opinion down everyone's throat?
We get you man, you like the sticks the other way. I don't.
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PS4 Controller - Dualshock 4 Unveilved
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Are you going to pollute two threads at once, forcing your highly subjective opinion down everyone's throat?
We get you man, you like the sticks the other way. I don't.
Melchiah
Member
You're not the only one. I hope those sticks won't be a dealbreaker, when it comes to longer gaming sessions.
Then he uses the Wii U Pro controller as an example, which is worse design. I don't get it.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Baconsammy
Banned
Gotta hang out in the Nintendo threads more. The overall design gets praise. As well as the battery life. I think the sticks and buttons are crap(especially using digital triggers), personally, but the design is at least ergonomically sound.
I've actually used all 3. Now do you get it?
I too, have used all three. Stop acting like you have "ergonomics" as an argument. It's based on nothing but your personal preference.
IHaveCandy
Banned
-Pyromaniac-
Member
All stick placements are the same shit to me. I play with xbox controller, no issues. I play with dual shock...no issues.
All there is to say.
All there is to say.
Yup. Not even worth discussing. Play with one for a while and you'll adapt no problem.
Baconsammy
Banned
Of course it's more sound. Your thumb rests on them. I think maybe you're confusing ergonomics with preference.
I agree with this for the most part, but I've had a couple issues with shooters on PS3 where I crashed the sticks together. This shouldn't be an problem with PS4, though.
Won't somebody think of the natural placement of the thumbs!?!?!
This is how I feel. I find it odd how somebody could have such a strong opinion either way, but I guess I just don't understand it.
Stahp.
Same here. Except that the Dual Shock 3 is much improved with the RealTriggers.
Synless
Member
Those real triggers were a godsend. Biggest flaw of PS3's controller besides not having rumble at first was those god damned rear shoulder buttons.
I used to much prefer the 360 controller as well but now I'm not sure. I recently played through Crysis on the PS3 and am now playing Bioshock infinite. I've had no problems using the sticks like I thought I would have. I also like that the sticks don't have a concave design. More comfortable IMO. The PS4's sticks do though.
Baconsammy
Banned
Concave is what I prefer, but more importantly on the DS4 are the tighter, shorter sticks. And the lip on the triggers.
Dion Blaster
Member
Yeah this is why I love the nunchuck stick, it has that nice lip around it. Does the Wii U have the same thing going on?
Yep, still has the ridge, just a bit bigger and flatter. Also, 100% smooth instead of having the 8-way gate and lower tension in the main 8 directions like GC/Nunchuk/CC sticks.
ConradCervantes
Banned
Yeah yeah cool controller SOMEONE FIX THE GODDAMN TYPO
TimeEffect
Member
How difficult is it to engineer a controller with interchangeable stick placement? I remember Madcatz or someone did that, wasnt that controller liked?
I think it was also $100, but maybe that's more for the novelty?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF_XKj4gzJk
I think it was also $100, but maybe that's more for the novelty?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF_XKj4gzJk
You are wrong. Ergonomics is a science. You're stating the ergonomics equivalent of "the earth is 6000 years old."
Gosh! I'm so mad right now.
Ignore him like I have done.
The DS4 has a convex and concave design.
Twilight Gap
Member
I'm not a fan of it at all.
Their controller looks exactly the same as the 360 except with two inputs switched. It's nice that they made that option available for those accustomed to that layout, but I still wouldn't play a multi-plat shooter on the Wii with it. Will probably only benefit Metroid.
Oppo
Member
Not that difficult – but it would add complexity to explaining button mappings in-game. "This is walk unless your stick is over here in which case..." etc.
Also no one cares as much as a select few in here, so it's simply not worth it.
He really likes to dig in with his opinion. To me it looks like opinion = fact. The strangest aspect is Sony is doing what he is praising Nintendo for.
I love that the centers of the concave sticks are raised. That way you don't have to depend solely on the outer ridge to operate, or have to completely nestle the thumbs into the stick. Looks like sticks that are designed so that your thumbs won't slip off no matter what. It looks comfortable and precise, but I'm used to the completely convex sticks so I can only know when I try it.
I'm the most excited about the larger form of the controller and the shorter sticks. DS3 analog sticks pop out quite far. Gives it a more loose feeling than I wanted.
I've never been so eager to try out a new controller before, lol. The new shoulder buttons look nice and clicky, and trigger shape is exactly what I wanted. Also, the grippy texture on the handles. I really want to see how this feels in my hands. Hope I'm not disappointed.
Also, I think the DS4 just looks dead sexy, don't care what anyone else thinks!
Twilight Gap
Member
Great gif's. I'm acutally impressed to be honest, but I haven't been with Sony much since PS1/PS2 so what do I know?
I think the DS4 looks a bit goofy if you view it from the front. (Analog sticks and face buttons visible.)Also, I think the DS4 just looks dead sexy, don't care what anyone else thinks!
The image in your post is cool looking though.
I think it'll improve aesthetically before launch.
I just want to try it out. It looks like they did exactly what I wanted them to do with it.
He really likes to dig in with his opinion. To me it looks like opinion = fact. The strangest aspect is Sony is doing what he is praising Nintendo for.
Dualshock 4 is so awesome. Looks to pretty much alleviates all issues I had with the DS3.
Arkam
Member
I really like the way the DS4 feels in your hand. Since the "handles" are thicker, it feels better in larger hands.
My only complaints are that actual material texture (could have soft touch rear) and the Joystick placement (i prefer offset). But overall a solid improvement in ergonomics over the DS3.
My only complaints are that actual material texture (could have soft touch rear) and the Joystick placement (i prefer offset). But overall a solid improvement in ergonomics over the DS3.
Mark Cerny, I'm a big fan of yours!
(Are the final DS4's part of the devkits now? I thought it was that ugly thing from the leak.)
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Not me. Symmetrical sticks always feel noticeably less comfortable to me. That doesn't mean I can't use the Dual Shock, of course, but it does feel like a step down from the other controllers I use frequently (360 and Gamecube).
With that said, the PS4 controller looks like the best Dual Shock yet.
Oppo
Member
This whole sticks symmetry argument is just a huge ball of confirmation bias in action. It's actually really interesting to watch unfold. Well, until people just start repeating the same old arguments.
I mean look at Baconsammy, he has more posts than anyone else in this thread, and most seem negative in some sense. Thou Doth Protest Too Much. Especially since none of us have actually touched the thing yet.
I stand proud with the group of humans on GAF who are able to overcome differences in control interfaces, often measured in millimeters. You wouldn't believe how many controllers I've used. And almost none in the last ten years have hurt my hand!
I mean, go with what you like, but don't tell us about ergonomics and "true" placement, it's laughable.
I mean look at Baconsammy, he has more posts than anyone else in this thread, and most seem negative in some sense. Thou Doth Protest Too Much. Especially since none of us have actually touched the thing yet.
I stand proud with the group of humans on GAF who are able to overcome differences in control interfaces, often measured in millimeters. You wouldn't believe how many controllers I've used. And almost none in the last ten years have hurt my hand!
I mean, go with what you like, but don't tell us about ergonomics and "true" placement, it's laughable.
pharmboy044
Member
You've held a DS4?
I'm trying not to! Had the guy on my ignore list for the longest time but I still see his act in Sony threads every time he's quoted. :|
ProfessorMoran
Member
So somehow when using both sticks, your left hand prefers having the stick above the d-pad while your right hand prefers having the stick below the buttons? Because if a higher stick placement would make both hands more comfortable the sticks would still be symmetrical.
Tripolygon
Banned
Your Logic is undeniable
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Actually, yeah, this makes more sense. Having a bigger, fuller grip helps, too.
MuzzledBasher
Member
I'm not sure about the risen circular edged pad the buttons are placed on. Looks like it could dig in and make holding it for a long time uncomfortable if you've got chubby fingers. Since seeing the DS4 I've noticed a DS3 has them as well though they are less prominent and I've never felt them, so maybe it won't be a problem.
One thing I definitely do hope they sort out is the glossy parts, I would hate to have to either wipe off my controller after every use or get irate from noticing smudges and fingerprints.
One thing I definitely do hope they sort out is the glossy parts, I would hate to have to either wipe off my controller after every use or get irate from noticing smudges and fingerprints.
Arkam
Member
Mark Cerny, I'm a big fan of yours!
(Are the final DS4's part of the devkits now? I thought it was that ugly thing from the leak.)
definitely not final. But they are the same body as the DS4's they had at at their booth at GDC. Only difference is the "touchpad" is different. The ones at GDC were a little more refined too, but shape was identical to the ones with the dev kits.
He really likes to dig in with his opinion. To me it looks like opinion = fact. The strangest aspect is Sony is doing what he is praising Nintendo for.
If the sticks are further apart I can live with the stick placement, they're just a little too close on the DS3.
endlessflood
Member
Yeah I think that you can get used to any controller design really. That's not to say that some designs aren't better starting points though.
I guess that the ideal layout is one where both hands are in as similar and as neutral a position as possible. If you were to put your hands into that position in the air in front of you I think you have a good starting point for building a controller around
In terms of stick layout (symmetrical vs asymmetrical), for a game involving dual stick input the most important controls are going to be the two sticks and the two triggers (be they the Xbox triggers or L1/R1 on a DualShock). From an ergonomic point of view I can't see how asymmetrical sticks make sense (in a dual stick input sense) unless symmetrical sticks result in your thumbs banging into each other when both sticks are pushed as far toward the middle of the controller as possible. These days most shooters (both first and third person) rely very heavily on dual stick input.
For a game that relies primarily on one stick input and the face buttons (e.g. third person platformers and slash 'em ups) the asymmetrical stick layout makes much more sense. Personally though, I tend not to rest my thumb in the middle of the face buttons, but rather on the bottom one, so the difference between the way I hold my two hands is fairly minimal (given that the lower face button is only barely above the left stick in a symmetrical stick layout controller like the DS3).
So I guess any controller is going to be a compromise between those two competing interests. Personally, I play a lot more FPS and TPS games, for much longer periods of time, and so dual stick input games are the ones that concern em the most in terms of a controller. I think that dual stick control input really does require much finer grained and constant control as well, whereas face buttons (especially digital face buttons) require only fairly simple input.
All that being said though I can understand why somebody would not want to change from a layout they've gotten used to. It would be nice if the console manufacturers opened things up to third parties a bit more so that people can find a controller they prefer. Things like the trackpad probably complicate that a lot, but we can dream...
Meus Renaissance
Member
Games like Battlefield and Assassins Creed use the Select button. What could a dev use on the DS4 instead?
Click the touchpad or a gesture on the touchpad.