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Adam Orth no longer with Microsoft

mujun

Member
Except this isn't just some "fuck up", Adam Orth could have very well killed the 720 before it's even officially announced.

Maybe. I don't think it is near as serious as you do, though.

I think MS could have turned it into a positive. They could have over apologized, had the guy in question make a good apology, offered up some reassurance and then done something generous to make up for it.

Fuck ups aren't always the end of the world.
 

todahawk

Member
Stop giving him attention would be a start.

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GQman2121

Banned
The rest of the backlash was in regard to rumors of the always-online state of the next Xbox, which as I already said, had no real weight behind it. People were getting super bummed out over it all and completely overreacting instead of just waiting to see what Microsoft actually announce or put out. Perhaps worth noting, rumors have since come to light, that if true, make much of what people were complaining about a giant waste of time. If that turns out to be the case, what was the point in most of this?

I don't think anything the guy said -- be it his comments or hints towards the next Xbox -- warranted the reaction it garnered. I do think he would of done well to say nothing or just quit while he was ahead. And I understand why a company like Microsoft would be strict in regard to the things their staff might say via social media. But this whole thing had ended up being completely blown out of proportion, and unfortunately, a guy has lost his job over it. That makes some people happy, and they feel justice was served. That's fine. For me, the whole situation was much to do about nothing. Ultimately, I feel it had more to do with people's gripes about the possible features of a gaming console than anything that was actually said. And if we put things in to perspective, it is, at the end of the day, just a console.

That's just my opinion and I don't expect any of the aggrieved to agree with me. It is what it is.

I agree with your general sentiment towards the situation; however, people are on edge. That much is clear. It's been weeks since Sony unveiled the PS4, and people at every level that follow and cover games are clamoring for ANY information to attach themselves to. People want to SOMETHING substantial, and sites want the hits and are not afraid or above a story like this. It's a perfect combination for a clusterfuck to erupt.

This was piss poor timing, mixed with even worst judgement, on a medium of networking that is notorious for having huge gaping grey areas in regards to interpretation.
 
I actually kinda feel bad for him if it was forced resignation. He made some dumbshit comments, but I don't know that he deserved to be fired for them. If the rumors about always on are true, I'm sure that several Microsoft execs made those same analogies in private.
 

ElyrionX

Member
For the people who keep lamenting about him losing his job, can I ask why?

Is it at no point okay to be let go if you screw up? It's about personal responsibility. This guy made his company look bad. It's a PR nightmare.

I don't even understand why people even LINK their place of employment in their Twitter profile.

In general, GAF leans heavily to the left.

Personally, I think the fool got what he deserved.
 
Maybe. I don't think it is near as serious as you do, though.

I think MS could have turned it into a positive. They could have over apologized, had the guy in question make a good apology, offered up some reassurance and then done something generous to make up for it.

Fuck ups aren't always the end of the world.

Trying to sell the "always online" to us is already a uphill task, doing that after the snarky unofficial confirmation is going to be far more impossible. Now whenever Microsoft talks about the merits of always online all of us will be thinking they have "don't like it? deal with it" in their minds.
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
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Him?

Honestly, this is a lesson in why you set your Twitter to private: Yes, you can't respond to some people but: no one sees your tweets.

But the other lesson here is you don't talk about shit that may effect a product you're working on. As seen people can take that as smoke where a fire may or may not be.
 

FroJay

Banned
Very very sad. He messed up, but I don't think he should've lost his job. People screw up, and I hate that some people will demand blood.

We live in such a shitty time when it comes to jobs and now he's marked probably for the rest of his career because he messed up. Sucks. I feel really bad for him.

Agreed, I don't agree with him losing his job over it.
 

mujun

Member
Trying to sell the "always online" to us is already a uphill task, doing that after the snarky unofficial confirmation is going to be far more impossible. Now whenever Microsoft talks about the merits of always online all of us will be thinking they have "don't like it? deal with it" in their minds.

You don't have a clue if it is "all" of us or not.

I may be in the majority (and I'll preface this by saying that at this point I'm 99% getting a PS4 and 50% getting a Durango), I may be in the minority but personally, I am don't much give a shit about what happens up to the point that the initial lineup for these machines is announced. That is what makes up most of my decision to buy or not. Other things, too of course, that is why I'm 99% sure I'm getting a PS4 without having seen the official "launch" lineup.
 
You haven't fucked up since you were 10? You sound inhuman.

That's adorable! I never said that at all, but since you're apparently curious, I've made several mistakes. Recently. If those mistakes come back to bite me in the ass later, that's my problem. I don't expect sympathy from people because I screwed up.

That we have people here expressing sympathy for a professional who did something stupid and should have known better, and other industry people coming to his aid and blaming the Internet for his stupidity is baffiling to me, but whatever.

In general, GAF leans heavily to the left.

Personally, I think the fool got what he deserved.

In general, I do too. I'm still surprised. Ah well.
 
I also don't agree with him losing his job from a moral standpoint, but the only way to enforce something like that is through legislation that would protect a worker's right to free speech.
 

Valnen

Member
Eh. The guy that decided an always online console was the guy that should be fired, not this guy. Unless it WAS this guy.
 

mdtauk

Member
A re-deployment to a position without any public facing element was all that was required. No-one wants to see a guy lose his job in this current economic climate.
 

Sarquiss_

Member
Not sure why people are shocked or sad that he got fired or forced to resign.

He is a representative of Microsoft and did not act professionally at all. This reflected negatively on the company he works for and as a result he got let go.

If he made a comment about always online and left it at that, I don't think he would have been let go. But he had to act tough and childish so he paid the price.

I am actually happy that people are being held accountable for their actions especially when it reflects negatively on their employer.
 

RiccochetJ

Gold Member
Not sure that issue justified losing his job.

I don't either. I'm not surprised it happened though. That was one hell of a snowball he created and MS was on shaky ground even before then just based off of rumors.

I'm trying to think of how I would react if I was someone in charge of this guy:
"Ok, people aren't thinking too highly of us right now and the rumors aren't doing us any favors. Once people see what we're actually doing when we reveal everything they won't think it's so bad. All we have to do is just not do anything stupi... WHAT THE FUCK ADAM!"
 

Demon Ice

Banned
Not sure that issue justified losing his job.

Are you kidding me? Did you not see the number of news sites that picked up that story? He singlehandedly spread worldwide negative PR about the next Xbox, and he did it while coming across as an arrogant, anti-consumer twat.

Why on earth would MS not fire him after that?
 

FaintDeftone

Junior Member
It sucks the guy lost his job, but his little Twitter rant was really uncalled for, especially when he basically insulted people who lived in those two mentioned towns, which I'm sure include Microsoft customers. Hopefully he'll learn from his mistake and move forward.
 
I am actually happy that people are being held accountable for their actions especially when it reflects negatively on their employer.

At the end of the day, he could have just apologized and MS would be in the exact same place financially.

And he was the creative director wasn't he? That's a pretty tough role to fill.

Didn't really make sense to fire him, ethically or business-wise.
 

RiccochetJ

Gold Member
I'm totally lost on how this is NOT something to get fired over.

Employees are supposed to make you money, not lose it.

They could have easily made him disappear from the public spotlight. Banned him from any twitter/facebook posts if he wanted to keep his job.

The reason is because he may be extremely talented and despite this significant snafu, could still do a lot of good things for the company.

Edit:
I'm seriously curious as to what would be the tipping point in favor of termination for some people.

I wonder what it is for you. You sound like a hardass.
 

Divvy

Canadians burned my passport
They could have easily made him disappear from the public spotlight. Banned him from any twitter/facebook posts if he wanted to keep his job.

The reason is because he may be extremely talented and despite this significant snafu, could still do a lot of good things for the company.

If he was really that valuable to the company, then he wouldn't have been fired.
 

JDSN

Banned
It amazes me how a person that works with a company that has certain reputation and belongs to an industry that strongly relies on social networking to deliver their message would go and do something so mind-numbingly stupid, and why does stuff like this seems to happen on a monthly basis?

Are these people so used to thinking and speaking like this to each other that they cant even grasp how the rest of the people perceive them to be? This applies to game journalists and their almost weekly circle-jerks.
 
I would have fired him. No question this was a firable offense.

But I won't sit here and say I'm happy some guy I don't know got fired. That's kind of fucked up. I hope he can learn from this and get another job quickly.
 

bh7812

Banned
Very very sad. He messed up, but I don't think he should've lost his job. People screw up, and I hate that some people will demand blood.

We live in such a shitty time when it comes to jobs and now he's marked probably for the rest of his career because he messed up. Sucks. I feel really bad for him.

You know I do too, some of you people are becoming way too invested and emotional over this industry. Wasaay too much. Are ya all happy now? You got what you wanted, someone's head and now they've lost their job. Over what? Cause a game system might have always online? Really? You "won" two victories today: apparently the bitching and crying for no easy mode for Dark Souls 2 paid off. Just had to have that your way. And now your day is ending celebrating someone's loss of job. Sad.

Do some of you realize how hard it is to find work right now, at all? No, this guy probably shouldn't have done what he did but it shoulda been dealt with based on his job performance up to this point.

That first gif picture in your OP was REALLY tasteless, Wario. Everything else was fine but I'd heavily consider removing that first gif picture, I'm not trying to stir trouble, that's all I'll speak of it. I'd just have the tweets plus the relevant article and leave it be at that.

My 2 cents, moving onto another thread,
 
I wonder what it is for you. You sound like a hardass.

That hurts my feelings. :(

A few years ago, before I had the opportunity to "upgrade" my career path, I worked at a call center. One of the many pieces of documentation I signed said that I can be terminated for making the company look bad, even on my own time. One of the examples given when someone brought it up in training was that you can be terminated for doing something "stupid" like getting in a drunken bar fight. If news of that fight made the paper or social media and blew up locally and that media just so happened to know where you worked, it doesn't make the company look too hot.

It's a more specific example, but it's still appropriate to what happened here. Orth, while representing the company, made disparaging remarks to potential future consumers about rumors said consumers have every right to be concerned about. Microsoft doesn't want anything to do with that, which is why they released a PR statement.

I'm sorry that my stance of "don't be stupid" offends you so much to the point of talking about my deliciously firm ass, but it's a general guideline that serves one pretty well in life.
 
I'm still not sure what's more incredible to witness - the lynching over what this guy says, or the abject praise over some of the dumb shit that comes out of Kojima.
 
Do some of you realize how hard it is to find work right now, at all? No, this guy probably shouldn't have done what he did but it shoulda been dealt with based on his job performance up to this point.
You can direct your concerns to microsoft, the company responsible for his termination of contract.
 

Cat

Member
Honestly surprised. I don't think he should have run his mouth off the way he did on Twitter, and I could understand reprimanding him as explaining that since it was an established public fact that he worked for Microsoft, such statements then reflect on Microsoft and not just him so he should be more careful.

Firing him seems a bit much but maybe it's more because it wasn't just one statement but a continued goading of the audience and arrogance on his part.
 
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