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[Roki6]

Nobody really knows yet, but it sounds like it will have no optical disc drive or hard disc drive. My guess is that it will have a small amount of flash memory built in, but you can expand it with USB sticks like you can with the Xbox 360.

If that will be true then I hope for SD card expansion. More elegant than usb sticks

Spoiler

or custom memory addon, so we can have addon for addon for Durango

 

[Captain Tuttle]

My only problem with this is that his son could be enjoying Minecraft now for months, instead you told him to wait on a (at this point) fictional product that might not even release before the end of the year.

Yeah, well, I told him it was an option and a rumor and that it would probably be announced soon. It's up to him to make the decision on when to buy it.

Quite a canny way to get people locked into the ecosystem.

This was the main point of the post. There are still people interested in getting a 360, this way if/when they upgrade to Durango they'll still be able to play their 360 library.

 

[jeff_rigby]

It's a weird one.

Compact disc is correct. Hard Disk is correct.

People will generally know what you mean if you interchange them so I wouldn't worry too much.

In the case of this machine it is discless, it will have a hard disk.

Doubt it. Think about what AOAC in Windows 8 and newer hardware means. We always assumed remote storage and services for Windows 8 tablets but it can also serve as the hard disk for a Xbox 360/ARM on the home network. So small 16 gig or so flash with the ability to share AOAC resources on the network. Watch this video on connected Standby.

Connected Standby will only be enabled on systems that are designed for it. For traditional desktops / laptops, it's business as usual (sleep, hibernate, etc.). The OEM has to put a special marker into the firmware to indicate that the system is designed for Connected Standby. Because of this, any existing system today will not enter Connected Standby; only new systems released with and designed for the next version of Windows will use this feature.

Always-On/Always-Connected (AOAC) is the name of this feature. Connected Standby is the system state that an AOAC-compliant system can enter.

 

[PantherAttacks]

Don't really see people buying a $100+ addon just to play old games. It would have to offer some more features. Set top box features will already be in the base console surely? Maybe if the mini could sit in another room and stream the BC game wirelessly to the main console. Stackable thing sounds like a joke.

 

[BruiserBear]

Don't really see people buying a $100+ addon just to play old games. It would have to offer some more features. Set top box features will already be in the base console surely? Maybe if the mini could sit in another room and stream the BC game wirelessly to the main console. Stackable thing sounds like a joke.

Not a chance. It will have to physically link in order to move data fast enough.

Also, you didn't read the original post very carefully. This $100 device could also be a separate 360 machine, so there are tons of potential customers who would jump in at that price point.

The backwards compatibility would just be another aspect of that product.

 

[DESTROYA]

This sounds much better but at this point I'm not believing anything until MS officially announces these features, like the XBOX mini idea but it's pointless unless you are planning to buy another 360( I'm not ) and how KINECT is going to be integrated with the system functionality.

 

[EvB]

Doubt it.

You really aren't going to be wanting to be loading games from an external storage device at the other end of a crappy home router and a wifi connection.

 

[Riddy]

Supremely happy to hear that a connection isn't required, but:

All leaked specs from before were true, no revisions.
Kinect-heavy games will be the main selling point.
XMini will cost $199 has to be plugged into the receiver or TV with HDMI.
Halo HD remakes are their main launch title.
New IPs in development went third party about four months ago.
$659 price point, comes with two Kinect cameras.
Zombie launch game is actually WarZ.
Family title is Kinectimals 720.
Always-on means "what Kotaku said".
XBLG will now be "free" but you will have to sit through 5 minutes of commericals every 10 minutes.

If this is true, I won't be buying one alongside my PS4

 

[Mascot]

Supremely happy to hear that a connection isn't required, but:



If this is true, I won't be buying one alongside my PS4

Do what? Serious?

 

[Captain Tuttle]

Supremely happy to hear that a connection isn't required, but:



If this is true, I won't be buying one alongside my PS4

It's a joke

Edit: Although I fully suspect that this list will show up on N4G as a new rumor about Durango.

 

[Dabanton]

Supremely happy to hear that a connection isn't required, but:



If this is true, I won't be buying one alongside my PS4

Read through that post again and feel your face get hot as you realise you seriously quoted a joke post.

 

[ChosenPredator]

that just goes to show how people will believe anything, I can't wait until microsoft announces the facts lol like ive been saying.

 

[shandy706]

Do what? Serious?

LOL

I fear he was.

The sarcasm/joke detection abilities and reading comprehension here can be hilarious.

 

[Triple U]

Interesting conversation at OPA pages...



ALSO:

Oh wow. This is EE/GS in PS3 all over again. I wonder how much it's gonna cost?

 

[Izick]

Supremely happy to hear that a connection isn't required, but:



If this is true, I won't be buying one alongside my PS4

Holy shit. You have to be kidding.

 

[RumblingRosco]

Supremely happy to hear that a connection isn't required, but:



If this is true, I won't be buying one alongside my PS4

Needs to be quoted again. For real?

 

[Riddy]

I honestly had no clue, sorry guys, seemed believable to me :S

 

[Phonomezer]

I honestly had no clue, sorry guys, seemed believable to me :S

25 minutes of commercials per hour of playing Indie games?

 

[abracadaver]

The mini sounds awesome but if they really want to compete with apple tv they have to get rid of the gold paywall for stuff like youtube and internet explorer.

 

[Rad-]

Supremely happy to hear that a connection isn't required, but:



If this is true, I won't be buying one alongside my PS4

:lol

 

[Riddy]

From the same company that currently charges for use of a browser and youtube? I'd believe it.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

My best friend's sister who once worked at Microsoft said that she had a friend that worked there before too but is now related to a guy who currently works at MS has told her the following things:

All leaked specs from before were true, no revisions.
Kinect-heavy games will be the main selling point.
XMini will cost $199 has to be plugged into the receiver or TV with HDMI.
Halo HD remakes are their main launch title.
New IPs in development went third party about four months ago.
$659 price point, comes with two Kinect cameras.
Zombie launch game is actually WarZ.
Family title is Kinectimals 720.
Always-on means "what Kotaku said".
XBLG will now be "free" but you will have to sit through 5 minutes of commericals every 10 minutes.

Amazing, but the opening paragraph really deserves a standing ovation. You covered virtually every 'insider info' meme. Amazing

 

[Izick]

From the same company that currently charges for use of a browser and youtube? I'd believe it.

You're very gullible then.

 

[PsihoPerihelion]

If this is true, I won't be buying one alongside my PS4

 

[dezzy8]

I think that the piggyback idea is a pretty smart move from Microsoft. Instead of releasing the Durango with BC at a higher price, they give the consumer the option to pay the extra money to get BC if they really want it and allow people who not give a fuck about BC to get the console cheaper.
I hope that Sony decides to do something similar.

 

[Riddy]

You're very gullible then.

I guess! We all have our blind spots. That's honestly the first troll post I've seen on neoGAF (and it's a good one at that)

 

[Calm Killer]

Perhaps you will change your mind after 6 generation of consoles? I cannot physically keep everything around from NES onward. Something has to give.

I own every console that I have ever bought, excluding the Gamecube, which i traded in for my xbox. NES, SNES, N64, Xbox, Xbox 360 and a Wii. I keep most of them in storage until my wife or I feel like playing one. Then just hook it up. It isn't a big deal. I would never sale any of these, and I to don't understand how other people do it.

 

[Izick]

I own every console that I have ever bought, excluding the Gamecube, which i traded in for my xbox. NES, SNES, N64, Xbox, Xbox 360 and a Wii. I keep most of them in storage until my wife or I feel like playing one. Then just hook it up. It isn't a big deal. I would never sale any of these, and I to don't understand how other people do it.

I do it because I can't always afford new gaming shit, and I don't like replaying games anyway.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

It's a joke

Edit: Although I fully suspect that this list will show up on N4G as a new rumor about Durango.

And then returns to us as fact.

 

[Calm Killer]

I do it because I can't always afford new gaming shit, and I don't like replaying games anyway.

So you trade them in to purchase the new stuff?

 

[jeff_rigby]

You really aren't going to be wanting to be loading games from an external storage device at the other end of a crappy home router and a wifi connection.

My home network is Gigabit with 600Mbit/sec between my PC and PS3. I commonly move a terabyte of files from a PC on one floor of my home to another without obvious issues and can watch a movie off the hard disk or watch Netflix at the same time.

There is a reason for the Gigabit network on the PS3 and MOCA can be used instead of WiFi in the average home.

 

[Izick]

So you trade them in to purchase the new stuff?

Yeah, pretty much.

 

[Reiko]

I guess! We all have our blind spots. That's honestly the first troll post I've seen on neoGAF (and it's a good one at that)

Read the Halo part.

Frankie and the rest of 343i would have shit the bed and went full meltdown.

 

[Takuya]

My home network is Gigabit with 600Mbit/sec between my PC and PS3. I commonly move a terabyte of files from a PC on one floor of my home to another without obvious issues and can watch a movie off the hard disk or watch Netflix at the same time.

There is a reason for the Gigabit network on the PS3 and MOCA can be used instead of WiFi in the average home.

The average home doesn't have a proper gigabit network setup properly.

 

[Takuya]

I think that the piggyback idea is a pretty smart move from Microsoft. Instead of releasing the Durango with BC at a higher price, they give the consumer the option to pay the extra money to get BC if they really want it and allow people who not give a fuck about BC to get the console cheaper.
I hope that Sony decides to do something similar.

Sony did patent the same technology/method.

http://www.siliconera.com/2010/09/1...nsole-to-previous-generation-console-adapter/

 

[EvB]

My home network is Gigabit with 600Mbit/sec between my PC and PS3. I commonly move a terabyte of files from a PC on one floor of my home to another without obvious issues and can watch a movie off the hard disk or watch Netflix at the same time.

There is a reason for the Gigabit network on the PS3 and MOCA can be used instead of WiFi in the average home.

It's not just the bandwidth, it's the read speed and latency involved within a nextwork. Remember hot the early Unreal Engine titles couldn't physically get the data off the disc/cache quick enough?

Try playing on of those games with additional network latency in-between.

I'm sure if you have your setup perfect you could run a game of a NAS, but I'd say there was a good reason that network servers often use 15'000RPM HDDs in RAID conifugrations, even when the network is only used to load a 50kb Word Document.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

The average home doesn't have a proper gigabit network setup properly.

Off topic, but any more information you can provide? I'd be curious to see if I can improve my setup.

I still don't think this adapter would be something I'd buy..would it play OG XBOX games too? I could just buy a 360 for around the same price if not... I am reminded of shitty external addons of past years...

 

[jeff_rigby]

The average home doesn't have a proper gigabit network setup properly.

RVU is going to change that, it's the point I have been trying to make. RVU requires a home network and the more TVs in the home being served at the same time, the faster and more reliable the home network must be.

Using h.264 for the video halves the issues until everyone is watching 1080P at the same time.

It's not just the bandwidth, it's the read speed and latency involved within a nextwork. Remember hot the early Unreal Engine titles couldn't physically get the data off the disc/cache quick enough?

Try playing on of those games with additional network latency in-between.

I'm sure if you have your setup perfect you could run a game of a NAS, but I'd say there was a good reason that network servers often use 15'000RPM HDDs in RAID conifugrations, even when the network is only used to load a 50kb Word Document.

Now you lost me, Blu-ray or DVD drive data read speeds are the weak link in the chain, how can a wired LAN be slower than the Disk read speeds?

 

[dskillzhtown]

I hope BC comes back for the next Xbox, i have like 50 games bought on Xbla... would be cool to play some of them like Trials, Hydro Thunder and Motocross Madness on the 720. They're still great games even after the new consoles come out.

Even if it is via a add-on, I would welcome BC. I would think the thought is that those that want BC can trade in their 360 for the add-on.

 

[Ol No Bones]

I hope a model of the Durango comes without a disk drive.

 

[Beer Monkey]

I'd say there was a good reason that network servers often use 15'000RPM HDDs in RAID conifugrations, even when the network is only used to load a 50kb Word Document.

Yeah, I design storage solutions.

15K RAID-0 in a SAN is for serving up multiple people simultaneously, or for OLTP database processing that is performing multiple simultaneous I/O.

A Durango or other single node with a single drive can serve up data just as fast (latency and bandwidth) as external USB 2.0 devices that can store games externally for 360.

 

[Doffen]

I hope a model of the Durango comes without a disk drive.

Why?

 

[blade85]

For me it'll come down to overall price and any extra you need to pay to do anything.

 

[ari]

I'm not digging an add on to allow for BC. Seems like that's the only benefit of it.

I mean:

1) What about 360 arcade games you purchased? Do you need the dongle box also for that?

2) Will durango offer the the same features anyhow? So why should i want this besides for BC?

3) Is this the dual apu rumor? Lol

Anyway, at least they are offering BC.

I can also see the nextbox being sold through comcast and time warner, with it being rumored of being a set top box and all. That can be HUGE for cable centric folks. I can see the commercials now.

 

[Impeccable]

Anyway, atleast they are offering BC.

Not really, no.

 

[Takuya]

Im not digging an add on to allow for BC. Seems like thats the only benefit of it.

I mean:

1) What about 360 arcade games you purchased? Do you need the dongle box also for that?

Going by the rumor, yes, for any 360 content you need the 360 mini (esentially, you need a new 360 machine to play 360 content.... on Durango, lol)

2) Will durango offer the the same features anyhow?

TV stuff? yes.

3) Is this the dual apu rumor?

No.

 

[ari]

Not really, no.

Whatcha talking bout impec?

Thank Takuya, cleared it up. I'll wait for the reveal. This doesn't sound right to me. :/

 

[Rat Salad]

Its total b/c and its a nice way to do it. Keeping Durango's costs down by not forcing you to pay for it if you don't want it. But i guess it all comes down to how much you value b/c. For those of us that do its really satisfying to know. If the Mini + Durango set up can somehow enhance the games even a tiny bit then I'll be playing my backlogue even more during those slow months after Durango's launch.

 

[DEADEVIL]

Its total b/c and its a nice way to do it. Keeping Durango's costs down by not forcing you to pay for it if you don't want it. But i guess it all comes down to how much you value b/c. For those of us that do its really satisfying to know. If the Mini + Durango set up can somehow enhance the games even a tiny bit then I'll be playing my backlogue even more during those slow months after Durango's launch.

Yeah that would be great if they did. I'm interested in an all inclusive bundle. But we will see if that is possible.

 

[EvB]

Yeah, I design storage solutions.

15K RAID-0 in a SAN is for serving up multiple people simultaneously, or for OLTP database processing that is performing multiple simultaneous I/O.

A Durango or other single node with a single drive can serve up data just as fast (latency and bandwidth) as external USB 2.0 devices that can store games externally for 360.

Really? I may look into it for my own home network.

What Jeff is saying is that they won't ship the new Xbox mini with an HDD and will instead rely on the user to provide their own external network storage.
Could you expect the same level of performance that you describe if it was being networked through your typical low quality free ISP router and off the shelf NAS device and not through a professionally designed business network?