That wouldn't let Microsoft sell a $99 mini box to compete with the Apple TV (or a theoretical Apple TV with full iOS functionality). The Durango by itself is probably priced out of that market.
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VG Leaks: BC for NextBox to be an add on, can play offline
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That wouldn't let Microsoft sell a $99 mini box to compete with the Apple TV (or a theoretical Apple TV with full iOS functionality). The Durango by itself is probably priced out of that market.
For me it's about performance. The only downside to buying an add-on is it costs you a little more and you have some "module" plugged into your console which doesn't look as elegant as when it's built in. But if performance is identical, I wouldn't put the gap between 1 and 2 to be that great at all. I'd say the big gap appears directly below 2, as that's where you start to get a performance deficit.
But then it wouldn't be mini
yeah, but looking at PSP Go!, it is failed strategy... if it was possible add-on, i could see why decisions were made to ditch the disc drive - basically you have it in 720.
but on its own, its already proven that it will fail based on previous consoles.
so quite possibly, this rumor makes no sense and it will actually be an add-on.
BlazingDarkness
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Well that's because its not going to be marketed as a games console, it'll be marketed as a TV device - with the added bonus of playing games.
I think it, when standalone, is intended as more of a media and XBLA box that a full up game console that only supports Games on Demand.
That said, I am going to assume this means the media services won't be behind an Xbox Live Gold pay wall much longer, because this makes zero sense otherwise.
LyleLanley
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I don't think you can compare the mini to previous consoles, its more like an Apple TV/Roku/Etc. than a traditional console at least as far as I understand based on the rumors.
But then, it sounds like you would be able to use the Durango's drive to play disc-based 360 games.
Also keep in mind that including a disc drive means they'd have to rejig the whole layout of the device. You could go from something that is the size of a small media device (a la WDTV) to something around the size of the HD-DVD drive. That's a big difference for a lot of people who struggle for home theater shelf space.
Goodacre0081
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maybe they're going to run with that idea and make it a semi portable console with the ability to connect any durango.
The Living Tribunal
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The voices in your head?
Will see!!
Stay off of misterxmedia & mistercteam blogs it's not good for your sanity.
He's been right so far has he??
LOL what?
travisbickle
Member
So we've got a premium 720 with BC and cable, and a "frankenstein" mini with cable and play only through download.
See now this is an interesting unveil, better than "will they let us play offline?"
what is OPA?
wow just looked that blog, lol... man that guy is crazy. That blog reminds me of Deadmeat....
Funny watching that guy just spin the math. Hope he keep posting after the announcement. Love to see the spin.
xaosslug
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the 8th circle of hell.
Guys this is either misterxmedia or Deadmeat. From post history:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=53605449&postcount=1889
In case you didn't know: They're both fucking nuts.
AdventureRacing
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Except the PSP Go and this new 360 are completely different products serving completely different purposes.
Miles Quaritch
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What is OPA and is there any particular reason the site in question is banned?
jeff_rigby
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What you just cited is not from MisterCteam or MisterXmedia. The post is reasonable and in line with what is being speculated for the PS4 also, there are two SoCs (depending on how you define SoC) in EVERYTHING PS4, Xbox 720, 32nm Xbox360/ARM and likely a 22nm PS3/ARM. The second ARM SoC takes care of low power STB features and provides Trustzone kernel booting and DRM tools for encrypting/decrypting. The compute ability in the ARM SoC is on the order of .5 CUs so adding that to the Speculated Durango 12 or PS4 18 CUs will have a marginal impact on playing games. It's more useful in providing UI and background tasks while the main GPU is running the game.
ARM Trustzone can provide a standard for DRM that looks like is required by Cable companies before they will "trust" Game Consoles to be secure to offer Pay-per-view and VOD services. After June 2014 (FCC rule) all TVs in the US will need to either be Smart TVs or be connected to a set top box to receive, via the home network and RVU (DLNA + encryption), Cable TV from a cable gateway device. PS4, Xbox720 Xbox360/ARM and likely PS3/ARM can provide this feature. RVU will allow 1080P & S3D to be displayed on 1080P TVs, provided they support S3D. Currently the TV tuner in 1080P TVs can't handle h.264 and the max resolution is 1080i unless you have a blu-ray player. XTV is coming also.
The diskless Xbox 360/ARM STB (Set Top Box) competes with Apple TV as a STB and can download Xbox 360 and Win8 RT games to a small internal flash or run games from the Durango Drive, likely both Blu-ray/DVD and Hard disk, over the network from a different room. Durango can also play Gakai like, Xbox 360 games served from the Xbox360/ARM. In this case the ARM SoC is converting frame buffer video to h.264 and streaming to the Durango.
Both Sony and Microsoft will be supporting RVU. A diskless PS3/ARM and Xbox 360/ARM will likely be able to control and display Video from a Blu-ray player in another room; this should also be true for a Sony Smart TV with ARM Trustzone or some ROT (Root Of Trust) that is considered secure (Video coming from the blu-ray player would have to be encrypted and unencrypted in the platform playing the video.
microsoft-sony.com might mean that Microsoft and Sony have agreed on a standard for secure sharing resources on the home network and have agreed to lowering the walls in their respective ecosystem walled gardens.
Both have low power STB TV functions (ARM SoC) married to Xbox 360 SoC or AMD APU (SoC).
Perhaps I am just confused or misunderstanding it, but it appears he is claiming that the Xbox Mini SoC (CPU/GPU/memory on one die) is also in the Durango.
Wouldn't this mean that the Durango is fully backwards compatible with 360 games and able to do everything the Xbox Mini can do? If so, what would be the point of having the 2 devices communicate? Wouldn't a Xbox Mini just be redundant if you have a Durango?
Wouldn't this mean that the Durango is fully backwards compatible with 360 games and able to do everything the Xbox Mini can do? If so, what would be the point of having the 2 devices communicate? Wouldn't a Xbox Mini just be redundant if you have a Durango?
Unless DX12 is built around the 720 first and that filters to PC's once they announce it?
Maybe.
If they are working on DX12 for the next box apparently no one outside of MS knows about it.
http://www.techpowerup.com/182416/T...4-Part-of-Next-Bundle-AMD-Vice-President.html
Impeccable
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My best friend's sister who once worked at Microsoft said that she had a friend that worked there before too but is now related to a guy who currently works at MS has told her the following things:
All leaked specs from before were true, no revisions.
Kinect-heavy games will be the main selling point.
XMini will cost $199 has to be plugged into the receiver or TV with HDMI.
Halo HD remakes are their main launch title.
New IPs in development went third party about four months ago.
$659 price point, comes with two Kinect cameras.
Zombie launch game is actually WarZ.
Family title is Kinectimals 720.
Always-on means "what Kotaku said".
XBLG will now be "free" but you will have to sit through 5 minutes of commericals every 10 minutes.
All leaked specs from before were true, no revisions.
Kinect-heavy games will be the main selling point.
XMini will cost $199 has to be plugged into the receiver or TV with HDMI.
Halo HD remakes are their main launch title.
New IPs in development went third party about four months ago.
$659 price point, comes with two Kinect cameras.
Zombie launch game is actually WarZ.
Family title is Kinectimals 720.
Always-on means "what Kotaku said".
XBLG will now be "free" but you will have to sit through 5 minutes of commericals every 10 minutes.
jeff_rigby
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Yes it would. There are several possibles here and likely the cites that are considered rubbish by Smash are accurate; Microsoft decided to not support BC in the Durango.
Consider that homes in the US have multiple TVs. All will either have to rent Cable company STBs to receive RVU or buy multiple Apple TV or Roku box @ $99 or they can buy a Xbox360/ARM for $149 or less. With a home network REQUIRED by RVU, resource sharing on the network becomes a possible for CE platforms like RVU blu-ray players, DLNA servers with 2 Tbyte hard disks, PCs with Windows 8 AOAC, network connected printers, etc.
The Xbox360/ARM can share the disk drives in Durango or in a PC allowing a diskless Xbox360/ARM. The issues in this would be DRM security for the game and when the Disk game data is streamed; so new PCs (or Durango) with AMD APUs that include ARM Trustzone and Windows 8 can share resources with Xbox360/ARM (with Trustzone).
Sony and Microsoft deciding to create standards for secure sharing of resources over the network falls in line with Sony deciding to use Microsoft's Playready DRM as a standard used for IPTV streaming over networks.
The domain registration by Microsoft of microsoft-sony.com and sony-microsoft.com indicates that something will be eventually discovered and reported. There have been multiple speculations on what this means, the above is just another and likely accurate only because we are running out of possibles as most of the other speculations have proven false.
You could have tried to make it sound realistic.
Umm what? DVD add-on for the Xbox??
HD-DVD.
Blake'sGrave
Member
my first thought.
sounds kinda complex, but now i'm intrigued where before I was just hating. Still doubt I'll buy it.
Phonomezer
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rofl
You did have to buy a "DVD Movie Playback Kit" for original Xbox, but I think he's probably talking about the HD-DVD drive for 360.
So will this Mini be without HDD ?
I see some say it will be discless and others say diskless.
English is not my native language so i might be wrong, but for me disc=cd/dvd/br and disk=hdd
If it is w/o hdd that would mean flash memory? Wouldnt that drive price up for any reasonable amount of storage space
I see some say it will be discless and others say diskless.
English is not my native language so i might be wrong, but for me disc=cd/dvd/br and disk=hdd
If it is w/o hdd that would mean flash memory? Wouldnt that drive price up for any reasonable amount of storage space
In case you have not noticed. MS do not care about PC gaming anymore.
It's a weird one.
Compact disc is correct. Hard Disk is correct.
People will generally know what you mean if you interchange them so I wouldn't worry too much.
In the case of this machine it is discless, it will have a hard disk.
Nobody really knows yet, but it sounds like it will have no optical disc drive or hard disc drive. My guess is that it will have a small amount of flash memory built in, but you can expand it with USB sticks like you can with the Xbox 360.
Captain Tuttle
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Another bonus thing about the xbox mini and a purely anecdotal story; my neighbor and I were talking and I mentioned that my boy loves Minecraft and plays on the 360, his son loves it and plays on his tablet. He said he wants to get hima 360 to play it on, I told him to wait for the mini, buy that and when he's ready to go next gen he can buy a Durango, plug in the mini and still have access to 360 games.
tl;dr First time 360 buyers get a mini now (they exist), upgrade to Durango later.
tl;dr First time 360 buyers get a mini now (they exist), upgrade to Durango later.
This.
The emotional swings are getting too much, they really need to just reveal this thing already.
Kun Aguero
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Day one!!!
Quite a canny way to get people locked into the ecosystem.
Impeccable
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My only problem with this is that his son could be enjoying Minecraft now for months, instead you told him to wait on a (at this point) fictional product that might not even release before the end of the year.