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Avalanche (Just Cause) - Wii U dev kits collecting dust, Nintendo is hard to reach
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BibiMaghoo
Member
IGN: Nintendo WiiU console of choice for developers children.
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The consequence of Nintendo releasing a in parts badly designed console with a "for children" image at least a year too late against the behemoth that was the PS2.
And it doesn´t really matter if you count third party exclusives or multiplatform games, both blow the WiiU lineup out of the water in quality and quantity (just think of all time classics like REmake).
Regarding the Wii, it got the software support that was fitting for it´s audience.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I thought that was Lego City
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
It's pretty telling that COD: Ghosts has not been announced for the Wii U yet.
They won't be doing it for long anyway. That's just my guess but seeing the UPlay app on the console is weird and might be related as to why they're still giving a shit.
fabricated backlash
Member
Pretty much. It's like watching two petulant childs argue over who's to blame.
Ultimately it's up to Nintendo to prove the WiiU a viable plattform for others. 3rd parties have no obligation to release for it. If Activision and Ubisoft didn't have a strong kids/family focused part in their strategy, they would've ditched Nintendo as well.
I wonder if they'll be able to forge new alliances with Independent studios and how that'll play out for them.
Still, no matter how they try to twist it, the WiiU will be the Niche console of this upcoming gen. There's simply no way they're magically going to turn the sunken ship around. Not with the worst 3rd party support in their history.
You honestly believe the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 survived on the back of the Wii? What?
Huh??
I have legitimately no idea what you could possibly be talking about. The Wii and the PS360 were almost two entirely different markets, neither depending on the other for anything. You think that studios started closing because the Wii died out? Since when did any studio other than Nintendo depend on Wii game sales? There's a reason that there is a stigma surrounding Wii about "third party games not selling," that reason being that most third party games did not sell well on Wii, especially in comparison to Nintendo titles. You could bring up runaway successes like Just Dance, but then your point about studios closing wouldn't be supported, because Ubisoft is most certainly not in any kind of financial trouble.
Also, it's probably worth mentioning that in this scenario my definition of hardcore is basically "anyone who's an actual core video gamer and not your mom that tried Wii Sports and bought a Wii." People who buy shooters and whatnot. People who buy more than games with Mario in the title.
OG_Original Gamer
Member
All this complaining and whining, troll fest and excuses doesn't do anything to help. The consumers are shitting on thirdparty devs games. Until WiiU owners in mass start to really support thirdparty games, doing this rinse and repeat is pointless in every thread similar to this concerning Nintendo.
darkstar0155
Member
honest question, what 3rd party Wii U games should the consumers support at this moment?
Add some kinda Wii-mote upgrade for the casuals and I agree. Nintendo could have dominated this gen, pulling the Wii's plug early was the first mistake.
You will notice that this gen, MS was tripping over themselves to woo developers. This gen seems to be Sony
There is a reason for that
Nintendo boxes print money for Nintendo, that has been their model for decades and now it is really biting them in the ass. Why they did not have a new Mario title for the "launch window" is beyond me.
I own a Wii-U and NSMBU..and it is an extended version of what I played on my Wii and 3DS
DragonSworne
Banned
Most of these problems can be attributed to one man: Miyamoto
He has been poison to Nintendo's growth and dominance in the gaming industry.
So what do you want people to do? Accept ports of games that are old as fuck and be happy with it?
You can't call every argument trolling. Do you want people to either support the console or not talk?
What? lolno. Nintendo has matched Sony pound for pound in this space and has the developer support to back them up. Have you seen Kickstarter lately?
I think it's just very clear that Nintendo has lost faith in the publisher model outside of a few companies and would rather work with developers (preferably smaller) directly. The interaction publishers are having with Nintendo versus the interaction indies are having with Nintendo is night and day. And conversly, so is the level of development enthusiasm.
Whether that is the right or wrong strategy is for you to decide.
SMT
this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
Do not read if you can't handle scrying, because this isn't scrying, it's something else entirely.
Exactly what I said 2 days ago, this is just the start of a snowball effect, how many times do you hear people say the Nintendo xxx is collecting dust, and how many times do you hear people speak up?
This man has both uttered the two concepts together, and has not only proved that his company takes no shit, he's also looking for accountability and wants Nintendo to hone up to their premature release of the beta console. Like the CNN author put it, Nintendo has 'oversight', I call it blinding confidence. What type of hardware company gives you a platform, tells you to develop games for it, but gives you no instructions on how to do this?
People used to say bad things about the PS3 being hard to develop for... Granted, but SONY offered their help with seminars, classes, and a massive stack of instruction manuals. They never blindsided their devs this way, always offering support. This dev has recognized that.
Nintendo, lavishing in its greed, money, and arrogance thinks it can make banknotes sitting on its ass, by having other people do the work for it. The dev even reached out to Nintendo, and got nothing in response, this isn't a small dev either, it's the people from Just Cause!
On the other hand, no matter who you are, whether you're a seasoned veteran, or just a student looking to animate your idea into a video game, Sony will always have your back.
This is absolutely disgusting to hear, first Miyamoto tells you to be patient for the games on the WiiU, then Nintendo neglects any games from happening on the WiiU.
They're too busy jumping on Atlus' back and telling them how to do their game, while their team just sits there sipping margaritas out of entitlement, while Miyamoto is there axing any good game that isn't his. When Iwata talked during the trailer for FE X SMT, I literally heard him say something along the lines like ''We are inexperienced in games of this quality, therefore we will be using Atlus to make this game''. That's my paraphrase.
Obviously, the JC team spread awareness of Nintendo's retardation as a means to get Nintendo on the phone, because Nintendo has no choice, if it doesn't respond, others will start to speak out. Maybe Nintendo is lazy and doesn't care anymore? Maybe people just have it out for Nintendo this year because they released a terribly flawed platform, and want to push it into a short life-cycle so Nintendo can make a competitive system?
This is install base is a life-support that will do no good in long run if Nintendo does not provide the support necessary to carry the 5 year-old system. Its life cycle may come to a close sooner than later.
Nintendo has good PR, but the PR can't cover all their tracks. This will leave them exposed as the veteran babies in the video game industry that can't be bothered to clean-up after themselves after they shit premium Gerber all over the kitchen floor. Solve this.
Tell me no, I was wrong, I didn't speak out a few days, I didn't say that this was just the beginning.
Cordially,
SMT
This man has both uttered the two concepts together, and has not only proved that his company takes no shit, he's also looking for accountability and wants Nintendo to hone up to their premature release of the beta console. Like the CNN author put it, Nintendo has 'oversight', I call it blinding confidence. What type of hardware company gives you a platform, tells you to develop games for it, but gives you no instructions on how to do this?
People used to say bad things about the PS3 being hard to develop for... Granted, but SONY offered their help with seminars, classes, and a massive stack of instruction manuals. They never blindsided their devs this way, always offering support. This dev has recognized that.
Nintendo, lavishing in its greed, money, and arrogance thinks it can make banknotes sitting on its ass, by having other people do the work for it. The dev even reached out to Nintendo, and got nothing in response, this isn't a small dev either, it's the people from Just Cause!
On the other hand, no matter who you are, whether you're a seasoned veteran, or just a student looking to animate your idea into a video game, Sony will always have your back.
This is absolutely disgusting to hear, first Miyamoto tells you to be patient for the games on the WiiU, then Nintendo neglects any games from happening on the WiiU.
They're too busy jumping on Atlus' back and telling them how to do their game, while their team just sits there sipping margaritas out of entitlement, while Miyamoto is there axing any good game that isn't his. When Iwata talked during the trailer for FE X SMT, I literally heard him say something along the lines like ''We are inexperienced in games of this quality, therefore we will be using Atlus to make this game''. That's my paraphrase.
Obviously, the JC team spread awareness of Nintendo's retardation as a means to get Nintendo on the phone, because Nintendo has no choice, if it doesn't respond, others will start to speak out. Maybe Nintendo is lazy and doesn't care anymore? Maybe people just have it out for Nintendo this year because they released a terribly flawed platform, and want to push it into a short life-cycle so Nintendo can make a competitive system?
This is install base is a life-support that will do no good in long run if Nintendo does not provide the support necessary to carry the 5 year-old system. Its life cycle may come to a close sooner than later.
Nintendo has good PR, but the PR can't cover all their tracks. This will leave them exposed as the veteran babies in the video game industry that can't be bothered to clean-up after themselves after they shit premium Gerber all over the kitchen floor. Solve this.
Tell me no, I was wrong, I didn't speak out a few days, I didn't say that this was just the beginning.
Cordially,
SMT
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Dear, PhantomR
Nintendo specializes in denying people from posting their games on the e-shop.
Monster Hunter is an acquired taste...same with ZombiU. Most Wanted may be done up right, but it's still late and better served on other platforms. I own it, but it's the last time I buy a "pity" game.
Delusibeta
Banned
Honestly? I think the WiiU is getting snubbed more than the Vita. I suppose that's partly due to a low expectation of Western support for handheld devices not running iOS, while we expect Western developers to develop on all home consoles.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Well it is hard to know if Nintendo pulled the plug early on it or if the install base, that was largely casual, migrated elsewhere. Personally I don't think any of the big three can win back the casuals that now get their fix on tablets and phones.
Zombi-U & Most Wanted, for sure. Beyond that, AC3, ME3 & Batman. Probably FIFA too. Maybe Tekken.
On paper it seems awesome, I tried the demo and thought the play mechanics were pretty terrible
Definately not for me
I had never played any previous MH game
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
The Wii U trolls itself.
darkstar0155
Member
Most Wanted U is great, i own it, but it is a late port (no idea how it sold, given the late port status, but i would guess it did OK numbers just due to it being on sale for $30 the day it came out )
Didnt capcom just announce today that MH sold well?
ZombiU is budget game, that reviewed like crap which im sure turned a lot of people off. (i bought it and personally loved it though)
from what i have gathered eshop games have been selling really well
Mithos
Member
I blame the gamers too.
SHAME on us who choosing a Nintendo platform as our main platform.
SHAME on us for not buying Mass Effect 3 for $60 when PS360/PC get ME: Trilogy for $60
SHAME on us for not buying Batman Arkham City, the worst version of the game performance wise.
SHAME on us for not buying the 5 month late NFS: Most Wanted U even though its the best version.
SHAME on us for not in the future getting the 2 year old Deus EX on Wii U.
SHAME on us for not eating up anything that gets thrown at our feet.
SHAME on us for not buying the games we are getting on the platform in the millions during the first month.
SHAME on us for remembering how we have been treated in the past when it comes to weather or not we get a games sequels.
SHAME on us indeed.
;P
Interceptor
Banned
Can you please repeat that? I don´t think everyone has seen it yet. So you don´t like Miyamoto?
mysteriousmage09
Member
Nintendo isn't even trying anymore.
Budget game? What?
DragonSworne
Banned
Are you serious? It's not about liking or not liking Miyamoto... It's about him being a terrible business man for Nintendo.
Don't try to make my opinion seem like it is based on silly emotions like hate or like.
darkstar0155
Member
yeah, even the devs said it was a low budget game. Ubi did not spend big bucks on it (unless you include the cost for the numerous other versions it went through (aliens from outer space, etc))
I'd put Tekken much higher than that. I know fighting games are not for everyone but at least that title looked like effort was put into it. FIFA lacked features and Batman performance is as smooth as Bruce Wayne's face.
Not like I Mr.Cheapskate can talk.
SMT
this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
No, I'm my usual self. And you're your usual ignorant self.
I don't care what most people think. Many people in this thread have the silly idea that the Wii U didn't get a lot of 360/PS3 ports because of slow sales when those game were in development before the Wii U went on sale. I didn't say what percentage the blame lies.
There has been enough action from Nintendo that shows they are not as closed off to third parties as they use to be. There has also been enough bs from third parties that show that they just talk out of their ass and make up excuses.
I'm not taking this person's claims as fact that Nintendo is hard to reach when other developers have reported differently. I'm not saying that Nintendo is doing everything they can to get more developers on board either.
fabricated backlash said:
Working with independent studios and continuing to do the partnership and deals they are doing now is their best bet. They also need to pump out first party titles like there is no tomorrow.I think the Wii showed how much support they will get from third parties, which wasn't much.
OG_Original Gamer
Member
Its better than getting back yard barn games. They're late because the console released after launch. Luckily some of them benefit from a delayed release, but there is no point in complaining about what you don't get if you don't support the efforts you do. Its either them or bargain bin games.
DeuceGamer
Member
It does seem Nintendo is more willing to work with indies, but that begs the question-why not offer both indies and big/medium publishers support? Regardless how Nintendo feels about the big publishers AAA model, compared to the indie's, they should be supportive of everyone interested in making games for their system. How does it hurt them to have more titles on their system that will be appearing on their competitors system?
They are suffering because of a lack of games so it would seem wise to back everyone interested in making games. It's not Nintendo's money being spent to develop said 3rd party games from the big publishers, so why not at least be willing to offer them support in getting their Wii U games up and running while also working with the smaller indie teams?
dragonfart28
Banned
I originally thought the same thing, but you have to do some leg work/research to get over the hump. Once you get into the swing of things, you begin to realize that the game is a pretty incredible achievement.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
He's right on the money. Nintendo has itself to blame.
Wishmaster92
Member
Sums it up pretty well.
dragonfart28
Banned
Love the thread title change.
Really drives the point of what a non-story this is.
Ava-who?
Really drives the point of what a non-story this is.
Ava-who?
Are the big guys really interested in working with Nintendo? I get the feeling the answer is no and perhaps Nintendo told them to screw off and started working with indies. Really, outside of Ubisoft, what have the big publishers really done for them? Hell, Wii U owners are having to fight just to get the same treatment with Injustice. So if the devs aren't interested in properly serving their own base, then why would any company (Nintendo included) waste their time?
something fishy
Member
But two of those are ports and personally I won't buy until e shop games are linked to me not the console.
There isn't a lot to support yet.
I could care less about his rant. But calling me out at the end of it for no reason whatsoever is immature nerd rage slamming-on-the-keyboard levels of psycho.
News flash: this is the extent Wii U's 3rd party support will ever be.
darkstar0155
Member
i wouldnt have a issue with old games, if they performed well and are priced accordingly (NFS, $30.00 at launch, bought. ME3, $60.00 when a trilogy was out for the HD twins, no thanks)
Dues Ex HR is another one i will probably pick up if priced accordingly, especially with all the work put into it.
Then you have RE:R, old late port, probably wont move tons of units on any system. But since most Wii U owners probably have a 3ds, and if they wanted to play it already they would have, it will probably sell least on the Wii U for that reason.
The thing with these games though, they shouldnt be used as a argument for games not selling, as they are all old late ports.
If rayman had launched on time, and it sold bad (given the userbase), that would have given people a metric of how new, quality games are recieved by the install base (and even that wouldnt have been conclusive).
dragonfart28
Banned
So ports don't count.
Will remember to subtract these from "third party support" on PS4/720.
"Sorry guys, Evil Within does not count as third party support."
something fishy
Member
Late overpriced ones don't if trying to compete no.
Gamecube wasn't badly designed. It was one of those instances where bad marketing was actually a valid excuse. Black was available at launch but Nintendo pushed the purple model for the system's image because ???
While it was behind in non-gaming features, it would've done better with the right marketing since it was cheaper to make up for it, imo.