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[NullPointer]

OH WOW MICROSOFT. I have permission. Fucking gorgeous. I have permission to play the game I payed an extortionate fee for. You generous fucking gentlemen. You deserve a prize for your human compassion and kindness.

You used to have a game. Now you have a service.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Perfect response.

I don't buy used games, historically. And generally, I'm always connected. But this still bugs the hell out of me, since it sounds like I won't really own the game any longer. The physical copy means nothing.

 

[SniperHunter]

wow, I guess console gamers really dig their used games

 

[Brashnir]

Does this basically confirms always online DRM?

probably not always online, just giant-hassle DRM.

 

[JABEE]

This is the worst. It took awhile to break through their message to find out pertinent information.

 

[zerokoolpsx]

So it's like Steam, but with none of the benefits.

 

[Beer Monkey]

The thing that blows me away the most is what a giant Fuck You this is to our service men in the Middle East. And lots of these guys are passionate about Xbox and served as de facto evangelists for 360.

 

[udivision]

You used to have a game. Now you have a service.

/gen

 

[Delusibeta]

you will be able to resell your games and buy used though, so not like steam

For whatever price Microsoft offers, which will probably be $0.50 per new release title and $0.lol for older games.

 

[Raide]

So exactly how often will I be required to have an internet connection?

Only on installs? Do I have to be signed into Xbox Live to launch those installed games? To continue playing them?

I am also wondering this. Also, if I authorize it and my profile in on the Cloud, can I use it on someone else console if I can have my content anywhere?

 

[Flatline]

I've said it in another thread: Even when you think Microsoft has hit rock bottom you read more on Xbox One and it keeps getting worse. Jesus Christ.

 

[BronsonLee]

What a goddamn mistake. They should've -never- talked about this until at least E3. The fact that they hid it outside of the conference is astounding.

Hubris all around.

 

[UraMallas]

Hubris.

You mean overweening pride?

Hubris all around.

Like, overweening pride?

They should have named it Xbox Hubris.

Does that mean Xbox Overweening Pride? XBOP.

 

[Lingitiz]

Thanks for clearing that up.

Anyway, PC comparisons miss the point -- wit this system you get the drawback of PC purchases while not benefiting from any of the numerous advantages of open platforms.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[jetjevons]

Always interesting to see some people will champion practices that have zero benefits to us consumers and will lessen the value of the games we purchase. I guess more people have MSFT stock than I expected.

My perspective is not that I champion their practices so much as it doesn't really bother me.

 

[Robot Pants]

Can this console get any better??!!
It's like a dream!!

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

QUICK EVERYBODY IN

 

[inky]

"It sits on your harddrive and you have permission to play that game as long as you’d like," Harrison said.

geez, thank you Mr. Microsoft. Do I have permission to enjoy it too or is than an extra fee?

 

[Einbroch]

wow, I guess console gamers really dig their used games

We dig renting games. We dig good sales. We dig being able to take our games to a friend's place without having to download our gamertag. We dig being able to play new games even if the internet is down.

But yeah, used games are nice too.

 

[KaYotiX]

This sucks.

I hope Sony doesn't get any ideas.

Oh im sure they already did it behind closed doors, prolly a big reason MS isn't making a fuss about the backlash atm.

 

[KageMaru]

Sounds like steam but people will troll it anyways.

 

[Rebel Leader]

So exactly how often will I be required to have an internet connection?

Only on installs? Do I have to be signed into Xbox Live to launch those installed games? To continue playing them?

probably during install to activate... other I don't know

 

[Darknight]

still can get used games, they are just making their own market

The heck?

 

[robertsan21]

xbox 1, what a joke.

 

[Brashnir]

Sounds like steam but people will troll it anyways.

Like Steam without all the good parts.

 

[DeBurgo]

They all have serial keys? Jesus, like those things aren't going to get stolen at retail stores.

 

[coldfoot]

wow, I guess console gamers really dig their used games

We dig just inserting a disc/cart and start playing, we dig being able to bring our games over to our friends to play with them...

 

[kingocfs]

So Xbox went to bat on this awful policy despite it being likely applied to the XB1 and the PS4... lol

Someone has to step up eventually

 

[Dantis]

Wow, so after all this, it's actually true.

I'm out.

 

[beje]

*hugging my Wii U and my Steam account*

 

[Dan]

Key bullshit aside, every game has to install? How big is the hard drive on this thing?

500 gigs

Did they talk about load times, whether you can start playing as it installs like the PS4?

 

[UraMallas]

QUICK EVERYBODY IN

I'm on my fucking way. No joke. I mean, I already have Steam for Civ V and Torchlight II and other exclusives but Gabe can have all my money. Don't fuck this up, Gabe. You better be smiling right now.

 

[KaYotiX]

They all have serial keys? Jesus, like those things aren't going to get stolen at retail stores.

im going to guess that you will need the disk to install still.

 

[Kerub]

They should have named it Xbox Hubris. It actually doesn't sound bad at all.

 

[ZAMtendo]

I'd wait for MS to comment on this because I smell BS. If they do this it would be no problem for me, but a huge problem for millions around the globe.

 

[boingball]

Sounds like Steam.

The difference is that Steam is an Online service. If I have a steam account I have a PC connected to the Internet. A console (or a stand-alone PC) is not an online service.

Not every PS3 or 360 is connected to the Internet. Everyone who wants to buy a console without connecting it to the internet (e.g. because none available) will not buy a One (or is in for a nasty surprise).

 

[MetatronM]

You would think $70 by itself would be a pretty fucking good serial key to unlock your permission to play.

 

[Alcotholic]

No one owns any of the games.

 

[Darknight]

Sounds like steam but people will troll it anyways.

I can buy Steam games for next to nothing. Xbox One games will retail for $60 and you have to activate your disk online to play it, even if its offline/SP.

Thats BS and unlike Steam. We are talking retail game disks not XBox One game vouchers that will magically be cheaper than retail disks.

 

[Gamble]

"permission"

Bad choice of words.

agreed

 

[Bedlam]

As if I needed more reasons not to buy the XBO. But MS keeps on giving. Good for my wallet.

 

[Trevelyon]

The never ending nightmare.

I mean, ma gawd king! aaaAAAAaah!

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

The difference is that Steam is an Online service. If I have a steam account I have a PC connected to the Internet. A console (or a stand-alone PC) is not an online service.

Not every PS3 or 360 is connected to the Internet. Everyone who wants to buy a console without connecting it to the internet (e.g. because none available) will not buy a One (or is in for a nasty surprise).

Is XBL not an online service?

 

[xxracerxx]

Everyone keeps saying "Sounds like Steam." Have you looked at MS's prices for Xbox Games on Demand recently?? Jesus.

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

So you will need Internet to activate the Keys so it's connected to your Xbox live account....okay. But

1. What if you want to play on multiple account?
2. Can you play offline since offline means no Xbox Live?

 

[Zombie James]

You would think $70 by itself would be a pretty fucking good serial key to unlock your permission to play.

They could use Kinect to scan receipts.

 

[Miles X]

500 gigs

Did they talk about load times, whether you can start playing as it installs like the PS4?

Yeah I believe you can.

This isn't an issue for me, will take about 30 seconds to punch the code in (boy I hope we can use Kinect to do it though) and voila ... less time than I currently have to wait whilst install the game to my 360.

I wanna see exactly what set up they have for used games though.

And they need to cater to those that don't have internet, that phoneline idea was a good one although that is a bit .. reaching.

So you will need Internet to activate the Keys so it's connected to your Xbox live account....okay. But

1. What if you want to play on multiple account?
2. Can you play offline since offline means no Xbox Live?

They should give every single user their own code, then if you decide to lend the game out to a friend you give them the code for them to be able to play it.

 

[RoeBear]

They all have serial keys? Jesus, like those things aren't going to get stolen at retail stores.

Wow that made me think of how Gamestop apparently guts copies of games sometimes thus making a new game buy from them just as bad a used one.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

I like the idea of being able to take a disc and load it on your HDD but the down side is so down. Kind of like having sex with strippers. Yeah, she's hot but not sure I want to risk it. I don't even like selling games but damn, can't ignore the reaction. And it's a shitty thing to try and implement this. It's not needed.

 

[TheClimaxan]

I do have to say, Microsoft has fumbled the fuck out of the PR response this afternoon. I don't know what's real anymore.