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Xbox One is REQUIRED to be online at least once every 24 hours.

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BigJonsson

Member
Red Liquorice said:
I still don't understand this at all.

Does this mean if I go on holiday I need a housesitter to switch on the xbox one every day? And what happens if you don't connect once a day, does it lock the system - how long for, do I need to call customer services to get it unlocked? This is crazy land.
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Uhhh, the next time you go online it will work again
 
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fertygo

Member
Donthizz# said:
Eurogamer: Does the console always need to be connected to the internet?

Shuhei Yoshida: You can play offline, but you may want to keep it connected. The system has the low-power mode - I don't know the official term - that the main system is shut down but the subsystem is awake. Downloading or updating or you can wake it up using either the tablet, smartphone or PS Vita.

Eurogamer: Are all of those things optional? For people who have broadband data limits, for example? They can customise everything?

Shuhei Yoshida: Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally. Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that.
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Man, its can still fall in this "Once in a day thing"

"After you online once, you can totally offline"

Same shit eh?
 
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farisr

Member
farisr said:
Gonna post a topic with my "somewhat in-depth" theory/combination of the various stuff revealed in regard to required online for the next one. This is my last post as a Junior.

YAY!
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OR NOT?

I thought it was 300 posts and 3 months to stop being a junior.
 
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Wickerbasket

Member
Midou said:
Meaning, as with every gen, consoles are just trying to replicate the PC more and more. If this came with the perks of steam sales, I would gladly welcome it.
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They better expect to sell games at PC prices then; no more $60/£40 games at release.

I'm not paying the same price for something of lesser value.
 
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copelandmaster

Member
KenOD said:
All your consoles are connected, so you don't have a problem. For those who will have no problems with internet connection beyond a few hours a year at most and will never return to those old games (as I'm under the impression Microsoft won't support old games like they did for Xbox to Xbox 360 nor release a patch to play offline forever), it's not a big deal at all. They might even be the majority who were going to buy Xbox One before we had any of these rumours even, but still a large amount of people this only prevents or drives away.

Not everyone has that, for a variety of reasons.

While serving onboard a naval vessel I would occasionally relax by playing games in either a common room or a wardroom with my shipmates. I can't tell you how much of a life saver this was as life onboard ship was either work all day, or work most of the day and be bored the rest of it before sleep.
Though I could connect to specific and secured lines to send email or call someone via satellite, we could not access Xbox Live or SEGA.net or Blizzard Net or any other such service back then for obvious reasons. Yet Microsoft, Sony, SEGA, Blizzard, and other video game companies still love the sales they got from either my nation's military or yours.

I have a friend who lives around 30 minutes away from Microsoft headquarters, just 30 minutes. There is no internet service where he lives just due to the oddity of how things are built and laid out. Someone 30 minutes away from Microsoft, the place they decided on all the features of Xbox One, will not be able to play games on Xbox One unless he takes his system to someone else's house once a day (as things are stated now).

My parents currently have no internet connect due to the fiber optics line be cut after an accident and poor zoning maps for digging purposes. Every few days or so my father plays FIFA, but wouldn't be able to do so on Xbox One if that was the system he had right now because it's going to take a lot longer than 24 hours to repair. It's really no fun when you can't play a game you bought, on a system you own, with working electricity, offline because an outside force prevents it.

Another of my friends currently can not afford internet due to cost of living. She is not going out to clubs or buying new things, she is saving her money and keeping things light, and just just staying home all day when not at school or at work. She's okay with that for now because some friends lent her some games to play on her gaming system. She couldn't do that with Xbox One as it stands by current statements.

A future NeoGAF user just heard of a great game, an amazing game, a very special absolutely fun game they just have to play. It is however the year 2033 and Microsoft has closed their online servers for the system and no longer give "24 hour passes" in regards to Xbox One. As the game has never been reprinted or ported, they just can't play it even thought they have an operational hardware. That's rather a problem.

All those are exceptions, only one of those has to do with someone in the United States, not everyone wants to play old games of past generations, but they are examples where having to connect to play games is not always possible or other such issues. Not everyone is okay being dependent on something to play a game other than a disc and a system and the energy to power it.

Just to find out what it's like though. For one week while you really want to play games, pretend you can't because your internet isn't connected due to something like bad weather or your neighbours was out digging and damaged the cable line. Find out if you no problems not being able to play a game because an outside of force prevents it.
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A+ post. Needed more love.
 
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leadbelly

Banned
Quadraphonic said:
Every new design aspect of the Xbox One begins with the idea that you're a criminal.

Buy a new game? Enter in the serial number to verify you own this disc. Otherwise you're a criminal.
Haven't connected online today? Go online or you can't play games. Otherwise you might be a criminal hacker.
Don't want to use the Kinect? What do you have to hide? Are you a criminal?
Want to play old games? Too good to buy new ones? Are you a criminal?
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Well, it's basically Microsoft controlling how we use our purchased products. You can use the console and play your games just as long as it is on their terms. If I am paying $400-$500+ for a console, I expect to be able to use how I want to. It's kind of like having to ask Microsoft permission to play a game every time you turn it on. lol

The truth is, I would probably have it online most of the time anyway, it's very much the principle of it. That I can't just lend a game to a friend, or play a game offline if I want to. I have no real control over my purchases.

This is just one out of a number of issues I have with Microsoft though. It just solidifies my hatred of them.
 
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Cartman86

Banned
Let's think about this for a second though. What is the reasoning for this 24 hour limit? Like what is the DRM reason for this to exist? This isn't some abstract question. Given the information we know about how the registration works on both this and the 360 what reason is a 24 hour limit needed?

I was going to type up a bunch of scenarios, but they got so complicated I gave up. Anyone wanna give it a go?

I feel like knowing how the discs work is key here. Do they have unique codes on them that can tell when they have been installed before? Or does it need the internet to verify those codes? People say Playstation All-Stars did this, but did it use a network connection to install that Vita copy and confirm the code had been used?
 
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toddhunter

Member
leadbelly said:
This is just one out of a number of issues I have with Microsoft though. It just solidifies my hatred of them.
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Shout outs to SCO

Cartman86 said:
Let's think about this for a second though. What is the reasoning for this 24 hour limit? Like what is the DRM reason for this to exist? This isn't some abstract question. Given the information we know about how the registration works on both this and the 360 what reason is a 24 hour limit needed?

I was going to type up a bunch of scenarios, but they got so complicated I gave up. Anyone wanna give it a go?
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My opinion on why? F2P models only work properly in a controlled online environment. Otherwise? You can just set your system clock forward and avoid them every time.

You can bet a lot of games next gen will have "pay $5 or wait 36 hour" type bullshit built in. Want to rest in Dragon Age? You need to wait a day or pay for a bedroll in the online store. Hence Microsoft and companies like EA would have got together to set things up so this will all work.


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NervousXtian

Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
hardcastlemccormick said:
This is Microsoft. You'll be staring at progress bars for minutes. And they won't even be accurate.
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Every time I turn on my Xbox it logs me into Live.

It will be the same thing.

For me, it's not a problem and I think most of the people so against it in this thread have their consoles or PC's always connected to the internet already.

I have no problem excluding people without internet access. It means that developers don't have to program with them in mind.. it evens the playing field.
 
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Wehrwolf

Member
Everything is lining up for Bandai Wonderswan 2, Sega Dreamcast 2, or Mattel Intellivision..umm...5 to be announced and triumph over all.
 
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hardcastlemccormick

Banned
NervousXtian said:
Every time I turn on my Xbox it logs me into Live.

It will be the same thing.
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Cartman86 said:
Lol no. This is Xbox Microsoft. They know how to do seamless UI. It will be invisible. It won't even do anything until the second that internet goes down. Then the clock will begin.
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They've proved that everything good about the 360 is off the table. I see absolutely no reason to give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt. At this point that I automatically assume the worst of their company.
 
nero2082

nero2082

Member
ThePeoplesBureau said:
ohnobeta1.jpg


"Oh no... Xbox One."
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promote this man
 
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KojiKnight

Member
Cartman86 said:
Let's think about this for a second though. What is the reasoning for this 24 hour limit? Like what is the DRM reason for this to exist? This isn't some abstract question. Given the information we know about how the registration works on both this and the 360 what reason is a 24 hour limit needed?
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Easy, Johnny wants to sell his copy of Call of Battle shooter at his local used game store. The used game store deactivates the game, but Johnny was sneaky, he unplugged his connection so he could keep playing!

Now Johnny is foiled because of the once a day re-authorization process!
 
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tehrik-e-insaaf

Member
where are the american cultural experts about used games and always online? I imagined we'd have something like this by now...

Microsoft just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about American culture (I'm an expert), but consumerism and convenience are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in Japan where you can become successful by releasing a 3d gimmick. If you screw someone over in America, you lose your customers, and the only way to get rid of that is by giving money away in buckets to win them back.

What this means is the American public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Xbox One or anymore 360s, nor will they purchase any of Microsoft's other hardware and software. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Microsoft has alienated an entire market with this move.

Microsoft, publicly apologize and cancel always-online and no used games for XONE or you can kiss your business goodbye.
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P.S.
Pachter was right, this really changes *everything*
 
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Cartman86

Banned
toddhunter said:
Shout outs to SCO



My opinion on why? F2P models only work properly in a controlled online environment. Otherwise? You can just set your system clock forward and avoid them every time.

You can bet a lot of games next gen will have "pay $5 or wait 36 hour" type bullshit built in. Want to rest in Dragon Age? You need to wait a day or pay for a bedroll in the online store. Hence Microsoft and companies like EA would have got together to set things up so this will all work.


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Eewwww. If that's really the case then gross.

I'm trying to imagine a scenario where you get rid of your copy of a game and give it someone else but somehow don't connect your Xbox online again and thus Microsoft can't turn off your license to that game anymore. Given what they have said about how the discs presumably work this isn't even a scenario that would happen. I'm lost. I don't even see the anti-consumer cash grab angle for it. It seems so arbitrary.
 
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Cartman86

Banned
KojiKnight said:
Easy, Johnny wants to sell his copy of Call of Battle shooter at his local used game store. The used game store deactivates the game, but Johnny was sneaky, he unplugged his connection so he could keep playing!

Now Johnny is foiled because of the once a day re-authorization process!
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Yeah I thought about that, but the way the discs seem to work I don't see how that's possible. Am I missing something?

Like right now the way it's been described in every interview is this.

Johnny wants to sell his copy of Call of Battle shooter to his friend Bobby. Bobby puts the disc in but has to activate it online and pay FULL price.

Unplugging the console would do nothing. You aren't transferring rights. You are just giving your friend a disc so he can buy a game without having to use up his monthly data cap. It's a scenario barely anyone will run into.
 
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grosvenor_92

Member
Is it just me or is Microsoft doing whatever possible to loss next gen ? I know it's possible the ps4 could have similar things but Microsoft should of known shit like this isn't what people wanted. At least on gaf anyway.
 
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Speevy

Banned
One day more.

Another game borrowed from a friend.

This neverending fucking DRM.

These men who seem to know my time will always be spent online.

One day more.

I did not play until today...

How can I win when I'm just starting?

One day more.

Tomorrow I'll be far away...

My game won't know that I'm departing.

One more day all on my own.

Will I ever play again?

One more day with them not caring.

I spent all my cash for this!

What a game I might have known.

And I bought the poster too.

But they never saw me there.
 
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Absinthe

Member
Dave Meltzer said:
A trip with your Xbox?

To somewhere without internet?
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A trip, a deployment, moving to a new residence. All of these can leave you without internet for long periods of time, or none at all.

KenOD said:
All your consoles are connected, so you don't have a problem. For those who will have no problems with internet connection beyond a few hours a year at most and will never return to those old games (as I'm under the impression Microsoft won't support old games like they did for Xbox to Xbox 360 nor release a patch to play offline forever), it's not a big deal at all. They might even be the majority who were going to buy Xbox One before we had any of these rumours even, but still a large amount of people this only prevents or drives away.

Not everyone has that, for a variety of reasons.

While serving onboard a naval vessel I would occasionally relax by playing games in either a common room or a wardroom with my shipmates. I can't tell you how much of a life saver this was as life onboard ship was either work all day, or work most of the day and be bored the rest of it before sleep.
Though I could connect to specific and secured lines to send email or call someone via satellite, we could not access Xbox Live or SEGA.net or Blizzard Net or any other such service back then for obvious reasons. Yet Microsoft, Sony, SEGA, Blizzard, and other video game companies still love the sales they got from either my nation's military or yours.

I have a friend who lives around 30 minutes away from Microsoft headquarters, just 30 minutes. There is no internet service where he lives just due to the oddity of how things are built and laid out. Someone 30 minutes away from Microsoft, the place they decided on all the features of Xbox One, will not be able to play games on Xbox One unless he takes his system to someone else's house once a day (as things are stated now).

My parents currently have no internet connect due to the fiber optics line be cut after an accident and poor zoning maps for digging purposes. Every few days or so my father plays FIFA, but wouldn't be able to do so on Xbox One if that was the system he had right now because it's going to take a lot longer than 24 hours to repair. It's really no fun when you can't play a game you bought, on a system you own, with working electricity, offline because an outside force prevents it.

Another of my friends currently can not afford internet due to cost of living. She is not going out to clubs or buying new things, she is saving her money and keeping things light, and just just staying home all day when not at school or at work. She's okay with that for now because some friends lent her some games to play on her gaming system. She couldn't do that with Xbox One as it stands by current statements.

A future NeoGAF user just heard of a great game, an amazing game, a very special absolutely fun game they just have to play. It is however the year 2033 and Microsoft has closed their online servers for the system and no longer give "24 hour passes" in regards to Xbox One. As the game has never been reprinted or ported, they just can't play it even thought they have an operational hardware. That's rather a problem.

All those are exceptions, only one of those has to do with someone in the United States, not everyone wants to play old games of past generations, but they are examples where having to connect to play games is not always possible or other such issues. Not everyone is okay being dependent on something to play a game other than a disc and a system and the energy to power it.

Just to find out what it's like though. For one week while you really want to play games, pretend you can't because your internet isn't connected due to something like bad weather or your neighbours was out digging and damaged the cable line. Find out if you no problems not being able to play a game because an outside of force prevents it.
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PoweredBySoy

Banned
StreetsAhead said:
Would I have to pay for Xbox Live in order to complete the verification process?
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Even they're not that stupid - but I do find it a bit disappointing that they seem to be continuing with the Live subscription model (as was hinted during the conference). I'm surprised there isn't more outlash against that. I guess we've all just become accustomed.

Shit. The way today is going though, the next shoe to drop will probably be $20/month for Gold.
 
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Cynar

Member
Appleman said:
Not a big deal for me, my Internet has been down for more than a day exactly zero times since broadband became a thing, I think the benefit of always online and cloud services outweighs the negatives.
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What benefit? They are taking away features and control from consumers and you're buying into their marketing. This is horrible.
 
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Neuromancer

Member
Holy fucking shit this is so much worse than I thought. 24 hours. God damn. Even discounting the massive number of people around the world who don't have a broadband internet connection at all, this requires the following:

-your ISP to stay up
-Xbox Live to stay up

God damn it MS. What the shit.
 
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