The disc is just an install disc. It doesn't mean anything to Xbox anymore.
Meaning, as with every gen, consoles are just trying to replicate the PC more and more. If this came with the perks of steam sales, I would gladly welcome it.
The disc is just an install disc. It doesn't mean anything to Xbox anymore.
I still don't understand this at all.
Does this mean if I go on holiday I need a housesitter to switch on the xbox one every day? And what happens if you don't connect once a day, does it lock the system - how long for, do I need to call customer services to get it unlocked? This is crazy land.
Eurogamer: Does the console always need to be connected to the internet?
Shuhei Yoshida: You can play offline, but you may want to keep it connected. The system has the low-power mode - I don't know the official term - that the main system is shut down but the subsystem is awake. Downloading or updating or you can wake it up using either the tablet, smartphone or PS Vita.
Eurogamer: Are all of those things optional? For people who have broadband data limits, for example? They can customise everything?
Shuhei Yoshida: Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally. Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that.
The disc is just an install disc. It doesn't mean anything to Xbox anymore.
Gonna post a topic with my "somewhat in-depth" theory/combination of the various stuff revealed in regard to required online for the next one. This is my last post as a Junior.
YAY!
They better expect to sell games at PC prices then; no more $60/£40 games at release.Meaning, as with every gen, consoles are just trying to replicate the PC more and more. If this came with the perks of steam sales, I would gladly welcome it.
All your consoles are connected, so you don't have a problem. For those who will have no problems with internet connection beyond a few hours a year at most and will never return to those old games (as I'm under the impression Microsoft won't support old games like they did for Xbox to Xbox 360 nor release a patch to play offline forever), it's not a big deal at all. They might even be the majority who were going to buy Xbox One before we had any of these rumours even, but still a large amount of people this only prevents or drives away.
Not everyone has that, for a variety of reasons.
While serving onboard a naval vessel I would occasionally relax by playing games in either a common room or a wardroom with my shipmates. I can't tell you how much of a life saver this was as life onboard ship was either work all day, or work most of the day and be bored the rest of it before sleep.
Though I could connect to specific and secured lines to send email or call someone via satellite, we could not access Xbox Live or SEGA.net or Blizzard Net or any other such service back then for obvious reasons. Yet Microsoft, Sony, SEGA, Blizzard, and other video game companies still love the sales they got from either my nation's military or yours.
I have a friend who lives around 30 minutes away from Microsoft headquarters, just 30 minutes. There is no internet service where he lives just due to the oddity of how things are built and laid out. Someone 30 minutes away from Microsoft, the place they decided on all the features of Xbox One, will not be able to play games on Xbox One unless he takes his system to someone else's house once a day (as things are stated now).
My parents currently have no internet connect due to the fiber optics line be cut after an accident and poor zoning maps for digging purposes. Every few days or so my father plays FIFA, but wouldn't be able to do so on Xbox One if that was the system he had right now because it's going to take a lot longer than 24 hours to repair. It's really no fun when you can't play a game you bought, on a system you own, with working electricity, offline because an outside force prevents it.
Another of my friends currently can not afford internet due to cost of living. She is not going out to clubs or buying new things, she is saving her money and keeping things light, and just just staying home all day when not at school or at work. She's okay with that for now because some friends lent her some games to play on her gaming system. She couldn't do that with Xbox One as it stands by current statements.
A future NeoGAF user just heard of a great game, an amazing game, a very special absolutely fun game they just have to play. It is however the year 2033 and Microsoft has closed their online servers for the system and no longer give "24 hour passes" in regards to Xbox One. As the game has never been reprinted or ported, they just can't play it even thought they have an operational hardware. That's rather a problem.
All those are exceptions, only one of those has to do with someone in the United States, not everyone wants to play old games of past generations, but they are examples where having to connect to play games is not always possible or other such issues. Not everyone is okay being dependent on something to play a game other than a disc and a system and the energy to power it.
Just to find out what it's like though. For one week while you really want to play games, pretend you can't because your internet isn't connected due to something like bad weather or your neighbours was out digging and damaged the cable line. Find out if you no problems not being able to play a game because an outside of force prevents it.
What happens in, let's say 10-20 years, when Microsoft stops supporting the activation servers?
As much as I an against always online, this method of verification checking once every 24 hours is not as bad as people make it out to be. It probably takes a couple second and off you go.
Every new design aspect of the Xbox One begins with the idea that you're a criminal.
Buy a new game? Enter in the serial number to verify you own this disc. Otherwise you're a criminal.
Haven't connected online today? Go online or you can't play games. Otherwise you might be a criminal hacker.
Don't want to use the Kinect? What do you have to hide? Are you a criminal?
Want to play old games? Too good to buy new ones? Are you a criminal?
I don't see where Yoshida says that.Man, its can still fall in this "Once in a day thing"
"After you online once, you can totally offline"
Same shit eh?
This is just one out of a number of issues I have with Microsoft though. It just solidifies my hatred of them.
Let's think about this for a second though. What is the reasoning for this 24 hour limit? Like what is the DRM reason for this to exist? This isn't some abstract question. Given the information we know about how the registration works on both this and the 360 what reason is a 24 hour limit needed?
I was going to type up a bunch of scenarios, but they got so complicated I gave up. Anyone wanna give it a go?
You have to be online to install a game. We know this.
You need to be online once every 24 hours additionally.
This is Microsoft. You'll be staring at progress bars for minutes. And they won't even be accurate.
This is Microsoft. You'll be staring at progress bars for minutes. And they won't even be accurate.
Every time I turn on my Xbox it logs me into Live.
It will be the same thing.
Lol no. This is Xbox Microsoft. They know how to do seamless UI. It will be invisible. It won't even do anything until the second that internet goes down. Then the clock will begin.
"Oh no... Xbox One."
Let's think about this for a second though. What is the reasoning for this 24 hour limit? Like what is the DRM reason for this to exist? This isn't some abstract question. Given the information we know about how the registration works on both this and the 360 what reason is a 24 hour limit needed?
Going on a trip? Want to play some games? No. Why? Because fuck you, that's why.
Microsoft just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about American culture (I'm an expert), but consumerism and convenience are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in Japan where you can become successful by releasing a 3d gimmick. If you screw someone over in America, you lose your customers, and the only way to get rid of that is by giving money away in buckets to win them back.
What this means is the American public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Xbox One or anymore 360s, nor will they purchase any of Microsoft's other hardware and software. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Microsoft has alienated an entire market with this move.
Microsoft, publicly apologize and cancel always-online and no used games for XONE or you can kiss your business goodbye.
Shout outs to SCO
My opinion on why? F2P models only work properly in a controlled online environment. Otherwise? You can just set your system clock forward and avoid them every time.
You can bet a lot of games next gen will have "pay $5 or wait 36 hour" type bullshit built in. Want to rest in Dragon Age? You need to wait a day or pay for a bedroll in the online store. Hence Microsoft and companies like EA would have got together to set things up so this will all work.
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Bkilian said exactly this.
Would I have to pay for Xbox Live in order to complete the verification process?
Easy, Johnny wants to sell his copy of Call of Battle shooter at his local used game store. The used game store deactivates the game, but Johnny was sneaky, he unplugged his connection so he could keep playing!
Now Johnny is foiled because of the once a day re-authorization process!
A trip with your Xbox?
To somewhere without internet?
A trip with your Xbox?
To somewhere without internet?
All your consoles are connected, so you don't have a problem. For those who will have no problems with internet connection beyond a few hours a year at most and will never return to those old games (as I'm under the impression Microsoft won't support old games like they did for Xbox to Xbox 360 nor release a patch to play offline forever), it's not a big deal at all. They might even be the majority who were going to buy Xbox One before we had any of these rumours even, but still a large amount of people this only prevents or drives away.
Not everyone has that, for a variety of reasons.
While serving onboard a naval vessel I would occasionally relax by playing games in either a common room or a wardroom with my shipmates. I can't tell you how much of a life saver this was as life onboard ship was either work all day, or work most of the day and be bored the rest of it before sleep.
Though I could connect to specific and secured lines to send email or call someone via satellite, we could not access Xbox Live or SEGA.net or Blizzard Net or any other such service back then for obvious reasons. Yet Microsoft, Sony, SEGA, Blizzard, and other video game companies still love the sales they got from either my nation's military or yours.
I have a friend who lives around 30 minutes away from Microsoft headquarters, just 30 minutes. There is no internet service where he lives just due to the oddity of how things are built and laid out. Someone 30 minutes away from Microsoft, the place they decided on all the features of Xbox One, will not be able to play games on Xbox One unless he takes his system to someone else's house once a day (as things are stated now).
My parents currently have no internet connect due to the fiber optics line be cut after an accident and poor zoning maps for digging purposes. Every few days or so my father plays FIFA, but wouldn't be able to do so on Xbox One if that was the system he had right now because it's going to take a lot longer than 24 hours to repair. It's really no fun when you can't play a game you bought, on a system you own, with working electricity, offline because an outside force prevents it.
Another of my friends currently can not afford internet due to cost of living. She is not going out to clubs or buying new things, she is saving her money and keeping things light, and just just staying home all day when not at school or at work. She's okay with that for now because some friends lent her some games to play on her gaming system. She couldn't do that with Xbox One as it stands by current statements.
A future NeoGAF user just heard of a great game, an amazing game, a very special absolutely fun game they just have to play. It is however the year 2033 and Microsoft has closed their online servers for the system and no longer give "24 hour passes" in regards to Xbox One. As the game has never been reprinted or ported, they just can't play it even thought they have an operational hardware. That's rather a problem.
All those are exceptions, only one of those has to do with someone in the United States, not everyone wants to play old games of past generations, but they are examples where having to connect to play games is not always possible or other such issues. Not everyone is okay being dependent on something to play a game other than a disc and a system and the energy to power it.
Just to find out what it's like though. For one week while you really want to play games, pretend you can't because your internet isn't connected due to something like bad weather or your neighbours was out digging and damaged the cable line. Find out if you no problems not being able to play a game because an outside of force prevents it.
I don't see where Yoshida says that.
Would I have to pay for Xbox Live in order to complete the verification process?
It's almost like there's still a shit ton of places in the world without stable internet! Baffling.
I just can't fathom anybody taking their Xbox overseas.
What benefit? They are taking away features and control from consumers and you're buying into their marketing. This is horrible.Not a big deal for me, my Internet has been down for more than a day exactly zero times since broadband became a thing, I think the benefit of always online and cloud services outweighs the negatives.
What about the people who LIVE overseas?
I just can't fathom anybody taking their Xbox overseas.
What about the people who LIVE overseas?
What about the people who LIVE overseas?
I just can't fathom anybody taking their Xbox overseas.
I was responding to somebody who mentioned a trip.