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Every PS4 won't come bundled with an EyeToy after all? Image Inside.
- Thread starter Amir0x
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I think getting gamers excited about motion controls is a pretty hard thing to do. There is so much negative reaction to wiimotes, kinect OG, and PS3 move, trying to drive sales with more 'you are the controller'/waggle/glowy-stick will be pretty fucking hard.
Now the fitness/kids game crowd will be much easier. And, because ps4 will have an optional camera available, those games will still come to ps4.
Probably mentioned before, but the PS3's camera was sold before the Kinect was ever announced. Bundled with The Eye of Judgment in 2007.
cebri.one
Member
This. If MS includes Kinect in the bundle so will Sony, you don't wanna have MS shipping a console with more features at probably the same price.
Those games will still come, but it'll be handing the casual market to Microsoft on a shiny gold dinner plate.
I agree with you, there are people that will never try the PS Eye just because it isn't a controller. I would encourage them to play flying or driving games with a Track IR, it really adds to the game and is something both Kinect and the PS Eye would be able to copy.
Plus I want Sports Champions Table Tennis online multiplayer ffs! we could have a GAF tournament and everything. People could spectate thanks to the streaming tech, could be great fun and not "lol motion" gaming in the slightest.
I still would have no issues at all if it was included so long as it isn't mandatory.
Not really a waste of money. The light bar is backlit by only a few LEDs so it's not that expensive at all.
And also, how do you know "pretty much every Xbox game will have camera features"? There is absolutely no guarantee this will be the case. I can see a lot having voice commands, yes, but the ps4 controller has a mic that could potentially be used for this, without needing a camera
The casual market is playing on tablets.
Manmademan
Member
I'm tempted to agree with you. Sony has already seen what kind of marketshare they ended up with by not packing in the original PSEYE.
I'm abivalent as to whether it comes with it or not (I rarely use my move as it is) but at minimum I see the camera being packed into a premium sku, with a "standard" or "core" sku that leaves it out that has limited availability for pricing/marketing purposes- sort of like the 20gig PS3 or 360 arcade sku.
Has they shown anything more than the automaticly change places on splitscreen function ? Cause that is neat, but far from a vital function.
I dont think Sony and Microsoft are going to underestimate the casual market like you are.
Making it another accessory would essentially render it useless especially if the higher priced package doesn't contain it as well. Things like video chat and integration of other features now seem less likely.
Then again Sony realizes that kinect 2 is far more advanced aping its mandatory inclusion with pseye is not worth the investment.
One of the things GG will be using it for and I suspect others will follow in time is providing feedback pertaining to changes in player health.
Then again Sony realizes that kinect 2 is far more advanced aping its mandatory inclusion with pseye is not worth the investment.
One of the things GG will be using it for and I suspect others will follow in time is providing feedback pertaining to changes in player health.
Casual market goes wherever there are "good" games. I personally don't like motion control games but they're far from dead .
Casuals don't adopt $450+ consoles early.
It seems a rather silly business decision, yes the vocal hardcore minority will be singing this decisions praises but when the average consumer sees the X1 and PS4 together in store
the PS4 will have driveclub or fifa playing and the average joe+sally will be like ''it looks like forza 4/GT6 but slightly shinier''
and the X1 will have rares new kinect game with some new and cool way to control and joe and sally will say ''this is new and cool and it also looks shinier''
A new console separating itself from the previous generation is very import to prevent consumers thinking its just ''more of the same with prettier graphics''.
The wii and kinect/xbox live are proof of this and with the diminishing returns in graphics, it is more needed then ever.
the PS4 will have driveclub or fifa playing and the average joe+sally will be like ''it looks like forza 4/GT6 but slightly shinier''
and the X1 will have rares new kinect game with some new and cool way to control and joe and sally will say ''this is new and cool and it also looks shinier''
A new console separating itself from the previous generation is very import to prevent consumers thinking its just ''more of the same with prettier graphics''.
The wii and kinect/xbox live are proof of this and with the diminishing returns in graphics, it is more needed then ever.
How is that relevant?
Tablets are more expensive
famousmortimer
Banned
In what universe are 'the average joe and sally' buying a brand new, $400+ console?
The people who will be buying either system for the first year/18 months are the hardcore.
Manmademan
Member
and how will that work when the indicator isn't visible to the player? that LED bar is completely useless without the camera.
not exactly. never underestimate the appeal of the "next hot toy" during holiday season for moms and dads, etc. There have been MANY cases (Cabbage patch kids, tickle me elmo, Turbo Man Action Figures, the playstation 2 etc) where people would trample and fight each other, pay scalpers 2 or 3x MSRP just to get their hands on one due to media hype.
Wickerbasket
Member
Because consoles aren't phones or tablets.
"The peripheral was launched in a bundle with The Eye of Judgment in the United States on October 23, 2007,[2] in Japan and Australia on October 25, 2007[3][4] and in Europe on October 26, 2007"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Eye
Two years before the Move. Three years before Kinect.
famousmortimer
Banned
Nothing you listed is a $400+ videogame console.
But they're happy to buy $500 tablets that get replaced every year?
Wickerbasket
Member
Yes. Tablets have more value to them.
It may be a capable piece of hardware, but its one I want no part of. I have no interest in Kinect gaming or any camera gaming. I used my Kinect for all of maybe 1 hour in 2 years. It collected more dust than my Wii. The kids would fire it up and play it, but only when they had new friends over to show it off and it never held their attention for more than 30 minutes tops. I want controller in my hand, sitting and relaxing on big comfy couch. I don't want to be jumping around my living room like a monkey on crack.
RukusProvider
Banned
Ohh I remember this argument! Phones aren't music players! Who wants to game on a phone!? Who wants to browse the web on a small screen!?
Nothing says Luddite like a hardcore gamer.
Casual went out and bought a 125- 150 kinect peripheral before it was bundled I think we are under estimating what marketing can do.
Manmademan
Member
Everything I listed (sans turboman, which was a joke) easily went for $400 or more during holiday season. And I did list the PS2, which was $299 in 2000. Adjusted for inflation, that's $393.70 in current dollars. It wasn't hard at ALL to find people selling those for 1.5 to 2x list price during the holidays and getting away with it. The Wii could also be found selling for more than MSRP.
Fox_Mulder
Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
this explains why zumba fitness will be on xbone and not ps4
Oppo
Member
Personally I think the light bar will be useful just to tell which controllers are turned on, and which is player 1 vs 2, etc.
Perhaps you ought think more about it.
Phones and tablets are modern day essentials that can play host to casual games. Those users don't need to consider the videogame console, which is still a luxury device, especially as there is no new video disc format. They are never coming back, at least until the price reaches impulse buy territory.
Their disposable income is locked into the phone/tablet upgrade cycle and they are quite happy with that.
Wickerbasket
Member
What argument are you making up for yourself to debunk?
I've honestly no idea what your saying.
Tablets and phones are more essential to the majority of people than a games console.
Graphics Horse
Member
The light reflecting off your TV
Anyway, Vita owners will be hoping as few games require a camera as possible.
Templar_Dante
Banned
This puts a huge on my face!
Two SKUs
PS4 320GB + DS4 =$449
PS4 500GB+ DS4+ PS Eye+ 1yr PS+ = $499
I do expect both PS4 SKUs to have Planetside 2 installed on the HDD at launch. I got a feeling they'll show it at their E3 conference.
They need to price a lower SKU at the Xbones price as its a certainty the Xbone will be cheaper than the "premium" PS4.
Xbone will be priced at $450. (guess)
But lets be honest, cheap DDR3, 7790GPU, 8Core Jaguar.. Microsoft have ALOT of room to have a price war.
That (sexy) GDDR5 in PS4 is never going to let them be cheaper off the bat, so not including a camera and a cheaper HDD in a entry SKU is good enough to lower cost.
on my face! Two SKUs
PS4 320GB + DS4 =$449
PS4 500GB+ DS4+ PS Eye+ 1yr PS+ = $499
I do expect both PS4 SKUs to have Planetside 2 installed on the HDD at launch. I got a feeling they'll show it at their E3 conference.
They need to price a lower SKU at the Xbones price as its a certainty the Xbone will be cheaper than the "premium" PS4.
Xbone will be priced at $450. (guess)
But lets be honest, cheap DDR3, 7790GPU, 8Core Jaguar.. Microsoft have ALOT of room to have a price war.
That (sexy) GDDR5 in PS4 is never going to let them be cheaper off the bat, so not including a camera and a cheaper HDD in a entry SKU is good enough to lower cost.
Hence why Microsoft is positioning the One as more than a games console perhaps?
TouchMyBox
Member
I was expecting them to drop the camera in order to be price competitive with their more expensive GDDR5.
So sounds about right, I really don't think Sony wants to have the more expensive box this time around.
So sounds about right, I really don't think Sony wants to have the more expensive box this time around.
Microsoft are just attempting to second guess what Steve Jobs was referring to in his biography. Very badly second guess as it turns out.
well if casuals are willing to spend hundreds of dollers on smart phones and tablets, I dont see why they would be like ''OMG a $400 console thats plays blu ray,goes on skype, has tv box input, plays next gen games and has all the on demand and film/tv apps and services on it, that is such a rip off and not worth my money at all even though I upgrade my galaxy s3 to s4 for an extra $500''
I think the sought of ppl who like tech and buy S4'S IPHONES AND IPADS as soon as they come out , a device like the X1 OR PS4 will appeal to them
and I would not call ppl who like tech 'hardcore' I know people who get the latest apple stuff and they are not hardcore gamer at all.
I think the sought of ppl who like tech and buy S4'S IPHONES AND IPADS as soon as they come out , a device like the X1 OR PS4 will appeal to them
and I would not call ppl who like tech 'hardcore' I know people who get the latest apple stuff and they are not hardcore gamer at all.
qa_engineer
Member
This doesn't make sense since the ds4 comes equipped with a light bar. I was also under the impression that there was some PS eye functionality built into the is and most games by default.
Yeah, that's what they're doing.
Wickerbasket
Member
I'm sure that's what they're trying to do.
You still aren't going to get casuals buying a $450 gaming console like they would a tablet or phone.
Tablets and phones aren't comparable to gaming consoles, as they're seen as essential by many, especially phones.