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TVTVTVTVTV! Xbox One Goes to Hollywood

R3TRODYCE

Member
That doesn't include gamers.


Remember the good ol' days when you could just go to a store, buy a game, bring it home, put it into your console, turn it on, and play it? And if you were good enough you might even get access to some more content. Those were the days.

I'm pretty sure I'm a gamer(PC and consoles) Sir yet I'm amped for it so labeling people isn't really effective.
 
I'm not moving any goalposts: "15 exclusive titles" and "1 billion" remain completely meaningless without knowing any specifics. Sony provided us with interesting titles to look forward to: That's worth something, just claiming that things will get better in the future is not enough for me with Microsoft's track record.

Opening 5 new game studios is meaningless? Are you aware how much that would cost?

E3 is 6 days away and you're jumping on the bandwagon to shit on Microsoft because you haven't seen their 15 first party published Xbox One exclusives yet? Bonkers.
 

twinturbo2

butthurt Heat fan
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Can't. Stop. Watching. This. Jiff.
 

Hindle

Banned
I'm thinking they intend to bridge out thier IPs via TV shows instead of comic books. Many games get comics to bridge the gap between each game which is awesome. TV shows are even better.
 

jaypah

Member
It's BS because it's nothing concrete: With Sony, there were quite a few interesting titles already announced at their Playstation Meeting.

Sony actually showed us the goods, MS promises us that things will get better in the future.

It very well may be BS. I was talking about the comments that it wouldn't be enough to match Sony. Hence those posters are going off the assumption that the 15 is real and still not enough. For all I know it could be 15 Kinect games with a marketing budget of $800,000,000 to get the billion dollar figure. All I said was the whole thing is interesting and I can't see any positivity coming MS's way any time soon. I go where games are so I don't care one way or the other.
 
microsoft is going for IP TV through the XB1 and Xbox 360 Mini. They're going all in.

They know Internet and TV is merging and one day all channels will basically be "websites" with restricted access or open access. They're building that into XB1 to future proof it and it could be huge in the long term.

This would all be great if we still didn't need separate cable boxes though.
 

N.Domixis

Banned
Microsoft have invested $1 billion into games alone for Xbox One and have opened several new gaming studios.

15 first party published exclusives in the Xbox One's first year will be tough for the PS4 to match, never mind when it comes to third party exclusives etc.

If microsoft had so many more exclusives from third parties, don't you think they would have said more than 15? PS4 will exceed those 15.
 

JABEE

Member
More and more, it seems like the Xbox One is an entertainment device first and a gaming device second. I wonder they will get around their claim that there will be no TV by saying that all of their original programming has some kind of mini game that can be played after finishing an episode.
 

jaypah

Member
That is a direct quote from a friend who works for MS. I send him screenshots of some of the more hilarious Xbone stuff...

So is he talking Kinect integration (voice command for menus, etc.) or actual shit where I have to stop using my controller, stand up and start flailing?
 

Melchiah

Member
Opening 5 new game studios is meaningless? Are you aware how much that would cost?

E3 is 6 days away and you're jumping on the bandwagon to shit on Microsoft because you haven't seen their 15 first party published Xbox One exclusives yet? Bonkers.

It's 15 exclusives, not 15 1st party exclusives, which could mean some of the 3rd party titles are timed, as usual.
 

trmas

Banned
So is he talking Kinect integration (voice command for menus, etc.) or actual shit where I have to stop using my controller, stand up and start flailing?
I honestly don't know. He just told me anyone hoping for the Kinect or DRM to go away are smoking something. They are integral to what MS wants. Also, MS is trying to broaden their audience
 

kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
15 first party published exclusives in the Xbox One's first year will be tough for the PS4 to match, never mind when it comes to third party exclusives etc.
I think you oughta look back at the PS3 1st year. Despite PS3's notorious birthing pains, Sony still easily managed well over 15 1st party published exclusives. 15 isn't a high bar by anyone's standards.
 

Kafel

Banned
I'm baffled at GAF's stupid point of view on the Xbox One.

As if a box couldn't do more than one thing, as if they had never played music or movies on 360/PS4.

Or is this silly "TV TV TV" line from Nintendo fans?
 

char0n

Member
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer

Yeah that was about all I needed to see to confirm my suspicions on why things are going the way the seem with XBone. And meeting up with CBS execs too, I can see it now...

Ballmer: "The FUTURE of entertainment... is network television sitcoms and dramas! We're talking exclusive NCIS and Bones apps, behind the scenes views of Two-and-a-half men, and thanks to our investment with our new partners, we're bringing you something you've always wanted but never thought you'd get: All NEW episodes of Matlock and Murder She Wrote!"
 

trmas

Banned
Is the rumoured Smartglass integration true as well(all 1st party games must have "core gameplay features" utilising SG)
Don't know. I can ask, but we usually talk about GAF exploding over the Kinect and DRM features. He is very aware of my feelings on the matter as well
 

jaypah

Member
I honestly don't know. He just told me anyone hoping for the Kinect or DRM to go away are smoking something. They are integral to what MS wants. Also, MS is trying to broaden their audience

Ok, thanks. Kinect I can live with(I like Kinect). The DRM blows.
 

netBuff

Member
I'm baffled at GAF's stupid point of view on the Xbox One.

As if a box couldn't do more than one thing, as if they had never played music or movies on 360/PS4.

Or is this silly "TV TV TV" line from Nintendo fans?

That's not the point: Microsoft seems to focus too much on incidental stuff not interesting to gamers - the TV streaming functionality is going to be present on pretty much any device, that's expected nowadays. But the games are the differentiator from their competition - something Microsoft seems to have forgotten.

Instead, they seem to be trying to sell a "mass media entertainment box" to a wider audience.
 
Exactly... which is why I get a chuckle every time I come across someone mentioning the "15 exclusives for the Xbone!" It's BS and minuscule compared to what we can expect from Sony.

Have you looked at the titles that image show? And you haven't noticed anything unusual?
 

N.Domixis

Banned
Yeah, only those 15 are first party published exclusives and thus do not include third party games.

No, what I mean is, if microsoft has all these rummored third party exclusives, why did they not include those with their 15 1st party games when they annouced them? If at their xbox reveal they said we will announce 21 exclusives it ould have sounded better.
 

trmas

Banned
I would expect MS to have plenty of games, regardless of their focus. They just aren't the kind of games I like to play. As someone who grew up on Nintendo, I could care less about FPS like CoD, but that is me.

The 360 was called the CoD box for a reason
 
I don't understand what the Spielberg show has to do with xbox one, is it going to be limited to that platform/medium? Other than a powerful non-gaming name drop I can't see any relevance.

That Spielberg show is a Halo TV show. Halo is an intellectual property owned by Microsoft so they can make it Xbox One exclusive and they will.
 

Steroyd

Member
Opening 5 new game studios is meaningless? Are you aware how much that would cost?

E3 is 6 days away and you're jumping on the bandwagon to shit on Microsoft because you haven't seen their 15 first party published Xbox One exclusives yet? Bonkers.

It's because we haven't seen their 15 exclusive titles, that people aren't reading too much into the $1 billion invested line.

Put it into perspective, Sony spent €16.7 million on Heavy Rain development and €23.3 million on marketing and distribution.
 
People are absolutely entitled to not like Microsoft's new "cable box" direction for their Xbone - just because you will enjoy whatever they put out doesn't mean everyone else has to accept their strategy without complaint. Even not buying the system doesn't mean voicing concerns is disallowed.



TV networks will continue to seek the widest possible audience: The Xbox will most likely continue to remain a bit player in this arena, despite what Microsoft hopes to achieve. Established platforms will be glad to serve live streams in addition to on-demand programming.

And I think for many people, Netflix and Amazon Video are actually replacements for TV: I personally haven't had a cable subscription in years, the same for many people I know. Live TV is becoming increasingly irrelevant.

Kinect doesn't have any real potential for TV, and Smartglass can't do anything that smartphones and tablets aren't already able to do without being tethered to a black box in the living room. Microsoft just can't offer networks much interesting potential.

And there's the question whether the typical TV watcher is even interested in transforming the medium into an active format. The failure of 1 vs 100 and myriads of similar format that were tried in the early 2000s would suggest: No.



It's clearly taking away plenty of resources that would have otherwise been reserved for developing interesting games. Microsoft's lack of interest in indie gaming also clearly shows that their TV obsession IS taking away from gaming.

To some people, yes, all they need is Netflix because they don't care to watch a lot of new television content. That's perfectly fine. When I was in college, I didn't subscribe to cable at all. It wasn't until last year that I subscribed to cable for the first time, and I still subscribe to Netflix as well. Netflix is great for catching up on some older shows you may have missed, or lately, to watch their original content that they've been producing. However, you can still only get things like HBO only with a cable subscription, which is a big reason why I subscribe. My girlfriend was also pushing me to get cable because she loves to watch live TV (she's a big fan of The Voice).

However, MS' goal is NOT to be a cable channel and directly compete with Comcast and the like. It says that in the article. MS is focusing more on their own original content that can only be done on their platform, which means that it will use things like Kinect and Smartglass in some way, or it will tie in directly with the games. We just don't know the specifics at this point. Those technologies were not available in the early 2000's. There's new tech, so MS wants to try something new. However, if you want to watch The Voice, or any content that Comcast creates, you'll still have to subscribe to cable, and view it through their service. MS is just creating content that appeals to their specific audience, and Comcast probably doesn't care that they have that (such as Halo and Quantum Break).

So Microsoft is now going to be a Hollywood production company?



There is absolutely no way Xbox Live has even close to 46 Million paying gold members: Where did you get that number from? Netflix is also available in much less countries than XBL Gold, which is why the comparison wouldn't even be valid were the number accurate.

If there's one thing monopolistic companies like Comcast don't like, it's diminishing their own influence and importance in favour of another big player. I don't see them embracing the Xbone with open arms.

Internationally, they will have a hard time with their HDMI in concept: Integrated TV DVB tuners are pretty common in Europe, which means there's no ability for the Xbone to actually overlay its own interface.

To your first question, yes they are. That's what Xbox Entertainment Studios is all about. It's not going to be a huge production company like Sony Pictures or anything like that, but it will probably grow over time. They already proved that they can make a great movie with Halo: Forward Unto Dawn (it's on Netflix btw - worth checking out if you haven't seen it).

And as I said previously, MS is not competing directly with Comcast. They are not turning into a cable company. They are not going to host tons of shows that Comcast has On Demand through a separate subscription, and with their own original content (ala Netflix). That's not their intention. It's actually possible that Comcast will push the Xbox One to its subscribers as well by offering it for a discount since that would mean people would get a next-gen console for cheap, as well as get a TV/internet subscription. Comcast is pleased because they can create an app for the Xbox One, just like they have on the 360 where everyone can still access their On Demand content, as well as having a great Live TV interface which goes through their service. And MS likes that because it encourages more people to get an Xbox, and to subscribe to Gold to get access to this new TV and Movie content they are going to start funding.

For the 46 million XBL subscribers number, it's the latest numbers MS released as of April: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...-live-subscribers-number-over-46-million.aspx

Not sure why you don't think the numbers matter? As you said, the content producers want to get their content out to the broadest audience possible. Well, the XBL audience is technically larger than the Netflix audience, and available in more countries.

As for the HDMI in concept, that's why they have the IR blaster as well. It's the crappier of the solutions for sure, but that will allow most people who get TV to have a way to make it work. This is probably one of the reasons why they are starting the Live TV push in the US first before rolling it out internationally. It's a very complex problem for any company to try to solve. Google has tried and didn't work out, Apple and Samsung are also rumored to be doing very interesting things in the TV space within the next year, and MS is also going to give it a shot with the One.

I have no idea how big of an impact this will have, but as someone who enjoys watching TV shows and movies, I'm all for MS creating geeky content that appeals to me as a gamer, which it seems like what they're going to start with.
 

Biker19

Banned
Opening 5 new game studios is meaningless? Are you aware how much that would cost?

E3 is 6 days away and you're jumping on the bandwagon to shit on Microsoft because you haven't seen their 15 first party published Xbox One exclusives yet? Bonkers.

Is it wrong for anybody to wait for concrete proof that these 15 exclusive titles are going to be targeted towards "hardcores?" For all we know, they could be a mixture of Kinect games & XBLA games.
 

Kafel

Banned
That's not the point: Microsoft seems to focus too much on incidental stuff not interesting to gamers - the TV streaming functionality is going to be present on pretty much any device, that's expected nowadays. But the games are the differentiator from their competition - something Microsoft seems to have forgotten.

Instead, they seem to be trying to sell a "mass media entertainment box" to a wider audience.

Yes that's the point, for the box they try to get the best games and the best services.

"focus" for the main box in the living room, from a company like Microsoft doesn't mean much. It's not a matter of "or" but a matter of "and", they can afford to play on many fields and play well on all of them.
 

JABEE

Member
I honestly don't know. He just told me anyone hoping for the Kinect or DRM to go away are smoking something. They are integral to what MS wants. Also, MS is trying to broaden their audience

Yep. Anyone that has been following Microsoft since 2009 knows that this is what they were moving towards. When they cut down their first party releases to Halo, Forza, and Fable.

I just want a platforming Banjo back. I will get one eventually, but it seems like they are doing everything wrong right now.

The reveal of your console is what you want the focus of your system to be over the next 18 months. Microsoft's focus is on their entertainment properties and how they can tie in with traditional content.
 
I'm baffled at GAF's stupid point of view on the Xbox One.

As if a box couldn't do more than one thing, as if they had never played music or movies on 360/PS4.

Or is this silly "TV TV TV" line from Nintendo fans?

Yes, this. People are way overstating the non game aspects of it and we haven't even gotten to E3 yet.

Remember how after the unveiling, Microsoft was saying they just wanted to get the boring stuff out of the way, and that they were really focusing on games?

....Yeah, so focused on games that they sent the head of the blasted company to get more people on board for more "television," crap! I haven't heard anything about Balmer making the rounds to developers or anything like that, and when asked about the X-Bone Microsoft in general seems ever so eager to talk about apps and television features, even after the unveil.

Microsoft, really, how do you expect any of us to take you for your word when you keep fixating on features gamers clearly don't care about.

Just, oiy.. e_e

This news doesn't mean they're not focusing on games. Business continues and things are being dealt with on all fronts. Balmer visiting developers is not what he should be doing. He's the wrong person to be doing that so it's a waste of time and resources where as his presence to talk to the head of a major media network that is by and far larger than any developer out there is a much better use of his time and stature.
 

Baby Milo

Member
Is it wrong for anybody to wait for concrete proof that these 15 exclusive titles are going to be targeted towards "hardcores?" For all we know, they could be a mixture of Kinect games & XBLA games.

yup nothing but a number till we see the games
 

JABEE

Member
Yes that's the point, for the box they try to get the best games and the best services.

"focus" for the main box in the living room, from a company like Microsoft doesn't mean much. It's not a matter of "or" but a matter of "and", they can afford to play on many fields and play well on all of them.

I don't think that you can expect those games to be untouched by this new focus. First party content will be worked to create synergy between all of their new initiatives to grow their entertainment console.
 
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