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XBOX ONE Reveal: UI faked from the start. Very choppy, and CBoaT
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Both of which are currently fake until we actually see it. Live demo with issues is better than show some imaginary pictures. Live demo faked to show off what they hope it will run like seems to be in the same vain.
Why are people thinking MS cannot make an OS that is quick? Win 8 is pretty damn fast on my PC and the One version seems to be built around that.
I don't think they ever tried to pull that off as real actually happening now though.
Mr Suit saying "see how fast that was, lets see it again" while talking to the xbox was done to make it look like it was happening, like all the kinect stuff in the past.
gutter_trash
Banned
most people on XBLA have Midwestern accents and mumble,
how will the Kinecto 2.0 recognize these vowel chomping accents?
how will the Kinecto 2.0 recognize these vowel chomping accents?
Then I am unsure why they should show it? All their ideas for how the community stuff works, and recording footage and taking over gameplay, why even mention it if you cannot show it off? The industry is all hype and dreams until someone makes good on it.
I have no doubts MS will make a good OS for One but most of the things they are showing off won't make me buy the system. Show me games! I don't care how slow the TV snaps to Bing, show me games!!
No, it would be in the same league if Tretton showed the CGI trailers and then said "Let's see that footage again, did you see how great the framerate was?"
Beatboxtaun
Member
But will the new Kinect let you see the bottom of your avatar's foot?
OS can be improved. There can be a big difference in Windows previews to release candidate.
PdotMichael
Banned
http://youtu.be/8OhDX0anXZE?t=24m59s
You can't compare the Sony presentation of the OS with the fake Kinect thing. It wasn't even trying to look "live".
No idea what are trying right now.
I seriously hope Sony have spent more time working on an OS than what they showed in that footage. I still see nothing on that OS demo that shows me how it works, I just get a PR man telling me what his hopes and dreams are for a connected community.
At least playing it low key gives them no chance for people to complain and pick it apart. All they can do is improve!
They did demo the share feature, i.e. uploading to Facebook -- Live.
PdotMichael
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From "it was all fake" to "it doesn't look good". Nice goalpost moving.
Outside the fact that all the showed features improve the social aspects of video games, but watching football in another way is more important.
Why would Windows Phone 8 be an indication? The problems they're facing with the Xbone don't exist in their other OSs.
Its graphical showcasing just points me towards it being fake. It looks mocked up to the way they want it to work. I would be pretty disappointed if the PS4 comes out with amazing specs and that is what they have driving it.
Ninja Moomin
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Everyone seems to be ignoring the fact Ms created the best console OS this gen in terms of features, and it used 16mb of memory(if i remember right).
both Sony and Ms have a history of faking stage demos... Neither can hold their head up higher than the other in that regard.
ergo thread is pointless untill we see them both actually running on final hardware.
both Sony and Ms have a history of faking stage demos... Neither can hold their head up higher than the other in that regard.
ergo thread is pointless untill we see them both actually running on final hardware.
Sony did demo video sharing functionality, so it's not all concept art. I have no reason to believe that was faked unless there's video evidence to the contrary.
MS caught faking the OS demo is just lame since they make the biggest desktop OS out there, and it was a huge part of their reveal event.
BTW there's more footage of the OS bugging out in an official MS promo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1BlhvX0D6ow#t=228s
but they are os company. they have expertise and some time to sort performance issues especially if 3gb rumor is true
I usually dont agree with your posts, but yes, this. XboxOne OS is based on a beefier kernel though but alot can and probably will happen before release. If its one thing MS knows its kernels/OSs.
This
one should not judge software or hardware that is still in concept or demo stage. The only thing to judge are the aspirations and goals of the demo.
PdotMichael
Banned
It was a prensatation of the features and not a live demonstration.
Not sure what's so hard to understand it.
I'd love to know what makes a kernel "beefier", and whether that is a good thing or a bad thing.
So was the Xbox One reveal. Not sure what the massive gap between Live Demo and Presentation is? Seem pretty similar to me. I am guessing the split is if you're actually ready to show off a live demo or not.
Both Sony and MS have been presenting their vision for how their consoles will pan out. OS, TV, games and everything else. All hype and cloud talk until gamers actually play with it at launch.
PdotMichael
Banned
Sony - "This is how it's supposed to look"
Microsoft- "Look how great it works!"
If you don't see the difference, it's pointless to talk with you. Sony's live demonstration are live for real - see the VITA remote play demonstation after the OS part The live-demos are often little chunky but you know it's a real live-demonstration unlike the Kinect stuff.
Teh sauce!
This isn't that hard to understand. The Live Demo is ostensibly the actual product and a demonstration of its capability, it's not a target or a concept. The OS footage Sony revealed may or may not be ready yet, but no one at Sony is claiming that it is, nor are they faking a live UI demonstration to convince people otherwise.
Bad saying yes. But I dont think the 360 was based on the full Windows kernel like the One is? Or was it? I dont know.
And okay forget kernel. I mean the OS as a whole seem to be able to do a lot more than the 360 OS. I know what a kernel is and that post was pretty dumb.
xD
)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))I feel the MS presentation was less vision and more "this is the near final OS and its running on the box and here is how its going to look/perform"
Marty Chinn
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The Killzone CG thing was a huge issue surrounding the PS3's game reveal - even outside of the price - for months after it was shown, and dogged Sony's perception in one way or another for years even up until when they finally released the proper Killzone 2.
And it got even worse when Sony actively lied about it not being realtime. I don't think it's a fair reading of game industry history to say people weren't upset about it, because it was a huge thing for ages after it was shown. You should read some of the old neoGAF topics about the Killzone CG, to say nothing about the endless industry critiques of the story on every website
I'm saying your average gamer/consumer didn't care. Your enthusiast core gamer who hangs out on places like GAF made a big stink about it, and rightfully so, but outside of here? Most people didn't know or didn't care. It's kinda like the DRM thing going on with the Xbox One, people should be outraged, but most people don't know or don't care right now outside of places like here.
I'm saying the love came from those reasons, not because Sony spent out the ass on all this marketing and other jazz to regain that faith. The current love for Sony is just good decisions from the PS4 and the games they've invested in speaking for themselves. He was making it sound like Sony had to pay extra for that good will to come back and I'm saying they didn't pay anything abnormal because they did business as usual when it came to their first party games and their policy decisions didn't cost them anything to decide; they just made good decisions and told us about it.
Wait, so the guide WILL be in the Xbox one UI? I wonder if cable companies allow for DVR rights like TIVO?
That would be a HUGE feature.
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Wait, that gif in the OP is totally bullshit. She says "Xbox go home"...then it went to that bing screen, then she says "snap screen" that brings up TV split screen almost split seconds or so of each other.
Not that she says one command and there is choppy transitions every where. Lol
Also, the TV features are decent as hell.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
here's a nugget, some Vita's actually shipped before the network was even activated. because it wasn't finished! that's ballsy. They were literally working 24/7 to the second to get the back-end running before consumers got it. they basically were shipping paperweights, haha.
This kind of stuff is really common, is my point. as scary/sad as it seems.
This kind of stuff is really common, is my point. as scary/sad as it seems.
BlastProcessing
Member
Average gamers/consumers don't really buy consoles at launch.
Marty Chinn
Member
Are you not following the conversation? People are making a mountain out of an ant hill over this revelation that the presentation was simulated and that the end result will be so damaging because people will lose trust in MS. I'm saying most people won't know or care and that this violation of trust is overblown.
Ol No Bones
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She even said it was early. It's not going to be like that when it ships... Hopefully
Quadraphonic
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The problem comes up with the fact that MS deliberately misled people at the reveal as if the UI is currently running that speed.
Marty, the money I was talking about was the money they've *lost* simply because of the mistakes they've made with the PS3 overreach. I wasn't talking about buying goodwill. That they even have a second chance to rebuild goodwill was far from a foregone conclusion given the hole they dug for themselves that they first had to get out of. "And yet now everyone is in love with Sony" wasn't simply the wave of a magic wand or even just what they've done right with the PS4. It was seven years hard slog and lost profits that most companies couldn't have survived or wouldn't have the stomach for and would just cut those losses. The turnabout of fortunes that we're seeing right now was extremely low probability.
BlastProcessing
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My point was that the people who are paying attention are the people who are most likely to be first adopters. And impressions tend to filter down from the first adopters to the mainstream. I agree that, in isolation, the rough UI isn't that big of a deal. Microsoft's problem is that it fits so well into the narrative that is being built around the Xbox One. And if Microsoft can't snuff that narrative out, that narrative will eventually effect the mainstream audience.
I have no idea why that Microsoft ever allowed Wired to point a camera at such unoptimized software. To me, that is the craziest part of this whole thing. Why go through all the trouble of presenting this slick presentation if you are going to undercut yourself by showing off unfinished code?
Shake Appeal
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I'm not sure I can fully process how far off-track Microsoft are with this fucking thing anymore.
Marty Chinn
Member
I don't think that's true at all. Sure it does filter down to some, but as a whole? It's a drop in the bucket. The Vita would be doing better if what you said is true. A lot of the stuff coming out, you would have to dig for. How many people realistically saw that video even if they did watch the unveiling?
I agree, I don't know what Microsoft was thinking but I bet it's because the Wired thing happened before the event, and it's a little bit of the left hand not talking to the right hand about how in the future they were going to totally focus on trying to show how fast it is. I don't think Microsoft played their cards well at all, but I don't think it's really going to have the impact that people think it's going to have, especially since E3 hasn't happened yet, and we're still 5 months from launch. A lot can happen in that time frame that nobody is going to care about some Wired video where the UI looked slow because it's not even in an alpha state.
Fair enough; I assume you were referring to extra money they needed to utilize to try and help market them better to keep up with the 360. In the case you're referring to, aren't both companies overall losing money? They had profitable years, but as a whole aren't both divisions losing money? Big companies do this all the time, so I don't think it's so special that somehow Sony is moving forward despite what happened this generation.
As for the turnabout fortune, it's a combination of Sony saying the right things and not doing anything stupid so far, and Microsoft and Nintendo just handing things over to Sony. Sony is really lucky because of the latter though and that only really is effective against the core gamer who follows day in and day out about these things. We're already seeing outside of the core gamer, that the public perception is a bit more positive than we would like it to be. So even with all of Microsoft's blunders so far, Microsoft still has a good shot at beating Sony still.
Don't get me wrong, if all the DRM crap that MS is proposing ends up happening, I really hope the Xbox One crash and burns. I think there are plenty of reasons to get on Microsoft's case about the stuff they're doing. I think Sony is saying all the right things. I buy every platform at launch and for the first time I'm actually considering not getting once. Despite all that I know the realities is that people seem open to giving up their rights for convenience and could easily eat this up because they won't understand what it really means or won't care. Some of these things that people are jumping on Microsoft's case for are either wrong, premature, or it won't matter.
I NEED SCISSORS
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Is this not in itself quite worrying for a console that is less than 6 months from launching?
Maybe Microsoft can take a page out of the last gen playbook and just patch it all in at a later date.
Meh, I expect some kind of smoke and mirrors for some of these types of demonstrations (mainly OS demos; game demos I expect them to be real time presentations at conferences, but when it's an OS presentation, I expect them to try and make it look as smooth and flawless as possible, including faking the whole thing).
They still have a few more months to go before the XBone releases to work out any functionality kinks. I also imagine that it could depend on the strength of the users internet connection as well. My internet is shit slow the vast majority of the time, so I'm always have to deal with dropped connections and stuttering, so this is just another thing that will keep me from picking up the XBone.
I can't even get NAT 2 in my area (just NAT 3 for me, which is fricking annoying as shit), no matter how much I've configured my router and forwarded the ports.
They still have a few more months to go before the XBone releases to work out any functionality kinks. I also imagine that it could depend on the strength of the users internet connection as well. My internet is shit slow the vast majority of the time, so I'm always have to deal with dropped connections and stuttering, so this is just another thing that will keep me from picking up the XBone.
I can't even get NAT 2 in my area (just NAT 3 for me, which is fricking annoying as shit), no matter how much I've configured my router and forwarded the ports.
How much money has been made by their other divisions by squashing HD-DVD out of existence so quickly? They lost a tremendous amount of money in their gaming division, but ensuring blu-ray victory has made them money in other areas.
Marty Chinn
Member
Someone else who doesn't know anything about software development.
Here's the rough breakdown in how software development works.
1) Plan and design
2) Implement
3) Optimize
Plenty of developers skip #1.
