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Conversations with creators - Driveclub PS4 [New footage]
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No it doesn't...
SolidSnakex
Member
Any developer can hit 60fps if that's what they target. Most developers don't target that though. It isn't some kind of limitation of a developer or even the hardware.
Oppo
Member
Yeah but Dirt 2 was 720p, this is 1080p. So there is a sort of downsampling going on at least w/r/t the YouTube footage.
1280 pixels * 720 pixels // total = 921,600
1920 pixels * 1080 pixels // total = 2,073,600
I didn't say it wasn't capable of it I'm say that the developer can matter.
It helps that the PS4 is more powerful
Gamersyde trailer which is 500mb has still compression artifacts. It shows a lot on tree.gif scene.
As of what you said about AA. I disagree. GOW3 at times when you didn't saw any subpixel aliasing looked downright real time bullshot
When did you get info about SMAA implementation ? You mean this dude SMAA implementation or their own version of this ?
SMAA means Subpixel Morphological Antialiasing which is supposed to get clean picture without subpixel aliasing (whole point of this implementation)
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
60 fps or fuck off
Soooon. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!
lol perfect, can't wait!
Once every 24 hours it does.
Anticitizen One
Banned
I never understand these posts. It's been 7 years since new console hardware were people expecting games to look about the same as current level? What would be the point of upgrading then?
NullPointer
Member
It looks gorgeous, but it will all come down to the driving feel.
I also wish dissing simulation settings wasn't a selling point. I'd love to see open world or truly open-worldish game with true sim settings. At least as an option.
But this could still be a great time regardless, as long as the driving model has some real depth and there's solid variety in the environments and driving conditions.
The social stuff always seems like fluff to talk about though. We've had player made challenges before. We'll see if this has enough hooks to truly make things interesting.
I also wish dissing simulation settings wasn't a selling point. I'd love to see open world or truly open-worldish game with true sim settings. At least as an option.
But this could still be a great time regardless, as long as the driving model has some real depth and there's solid variety in the environments and driving conditions.
The social stuff always seems like fluff to talk about though. We've had player made challenges before. We'll see if this has enough hooks to truly make things interesting.
There is a difference between checking in every 24 hours and requiring a internet connection to play a game. Anyone the 24 hour checkup is system-wide and not for the specific games like the post specified.
Cloud processing done on Forza 5 isn't going to stop it from being played online, it's going to be to enhanced the game beyond what it can do without it.
This does not make it required to use the cloud to work.
NullPointer
Member
We know the Xbone was originally designed to be truly always online, and Forza 5 is the first game to use the cloud in its marketing, so its definitely not a crazy suggestion.
We'll see.
Without any evidence or confirmation it might as well be...
NullPointer
Member
No we agree that we don't know. You seem to be assuming one end of the spectrum and I don't think its any crazier to assume the other.
Both are assumptions until we know more.
For what its worth I hope you're right, and the cloud is used purely for enhancing the multiplayer somehow.
Graphics Horse
Member
That's what I'm saying. It's an (old fashioned) screen space technique, it fades out where the top of the image would be.
Whether they combine that with cubemaps in the same view, I can't tell but can't see it there, maybe they have done for going under tunnels and things.
That's a sad thing to say. We live in sad reality.
It really is, it's also annoying when people say arcade racers aren't meant to be played with wheels.
It was only when sims came along that framerates went to shit.
Okay... they cannot run just pieces of the game without the cloud. The only way this doesn't require online is if the "cloud" is simply to hold the tracks, then you could play some tracks you have on your drive instead. If it is used for actual game assets, then online is MANDATORY.
Have you figured out yet that the Xbone is an always on connection, but they are trying to find a better way to say it?
Have you figured out yet that the Xbone is an always on connection, but they are trying to find a better way to say it?
professor_t
Member
"In-engine" is an incredibly meaningless term for me. I can't think of a situation where I saw something early that was "in-engine" (*cough* Halo 3) that didn't look significantly better than the final gameplay.
Ultimately, I expect the game to look great, but that's because the PS4 is an amazing piece of hardware. What I've seen so far tells me nothing. It's weird because we've been through this a million times and people never seem to grasp the difference between "in-engine" and "gameplay."
However, I am definitely looking forward to E3. Would be awesome to get some gameplay videos.
Ultimately, I expect the game to look great, but that's because the PS4 is an amazing piece of hardware. What I've seen so far tells me nothing. It's weird because we've been through this a million times and people never seem to grasp the difference between "in-engine" and "gameplay."
However, I am definitely looking forward to E3. Would be awesome to get some gameplay videos.
So you're saying pepole will be able to play Forza5 over an entire weekend without ever being connected to the internet?
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Image courtesy play-asia and why is it that most placeholder prices for PS4 titles seem to be stuck at 99.99US$?
GoW 3 doesnt have much subpixel geometry and most of its background is heavily DoF'ed. Where there should be shader aliasing or subpixel there is. They've got perfect art for MLAA in GoW 3 and tons of post-process
There is ton of subpixel geometry in DriveClub in background, but non is showing aliasing. Same goes for shaders. Game cant be that clean, trust me.
About SMAA i meant post-AA combined with MSAA resolve. Sony is working on something like this. Its wont be SMAA, it wont be TXAA, but it will be using post-AA and MSAA resolve of some sort.
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They've said "in-game" at first. In-engine is perfectly fine term for bullshots. Like GT trailers are in-engine, but they clearly arent in-game
http://i.imgur.com/ojjoQlH.jpg
Coolbgdog12
Member
Secret deal with Nintendo. They are pushing the hardware to its limits.
Man i'm too full from eating I can't laugh.
People will think their pc running slow looking at this gif.
What's that last .gif from? It intrigues me.
SolidSnakex
Member
That's a sad thing to say. We live in sad reality.
Well, modern arcade racers. Arcade racers that existed in arcades and were then brought home always targeted 60fps. Console arcade racers started targeting 30fps for some reason.
Sweet Jesus I just saw this thread. Wow! Wow!
Paladin CL
Member
Nice video, the game looks very promising, im with Forza 5 but if this game turns to be a great game then probably i´ll get a PS4 before im anticipating (basically when GT is avaible). I hope they have Ferrari and Lamborghini license too!
Is always good to see more racing games
Is always good to see more racing games
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Just took a look at Gamersyde video. Shame about this video, as well as the youtube one most likely, is that all the source footage was done and edited at 24FPS, so that scenes with people talking look more like they're shot on film. This however makes all the game footage be 24FPS as well, which makes it appear jittery, as there's a permanent frame skip cadence, where on every four different frames, last one is repeated.
Also, after looking at details like power lines etc. I definitely have to call BS on this being exactly the in-game fotage. They just can't have AA like this during game, unless they figured something out that no one else in the world has.
Also, after looking at details like power lines etc. I definitely have to call BS on this being exactly the in-game fotage. They just can't have AA like this during game, unless they figured something out that no one else in the world has.
Wow, you think TLOU is doing that? I know Crysis 3 didn't have that type of reflections on consoles. It was a PC only thing, and now on next-gen games.
Haahaha, fucking launch game. Good Lord . . . this isn't a sim right? I might actually check it out lol.
Yes, TLoU is doing that for characters and some geometry on water surfaces.
Look here at bird - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdYl4-SZhRU&feature=player_detailpage#t=232s
Here Ellie and some geometry reflects, vegetation dont - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=N8Q_j-tqcyA#t=135s
Crysis 3 does screen space reflections for wet floor in first level and every water surface in later levels on consoles and every PC settings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrqS39_r1c&feature=player_detailpage#t=251s
There difference between those and higher settings PC version is that in PC version every surface reflects and You have glossy reflections too.
Portugeezer
Member
The video file is at 29.97fps, but the video is actually running at 24fps, which means some frames repeat (about 1 frame of every 5 frames repeats i.e. 6 frames of a second of the footage are repeated)
In the gif I made before it captured this as I captures every frame, I now edited and removed repeated frames, so the gif is now 24fps with no repeated frames. I don't know if the gamersyde video has the same issue, I used the Youtube version.
Very noticeable. To those who don't know this doesn't mean the game is 24fps. 24fps is a standard among video files too.
In the gif I made before it captured this as I captures every frame, I now edited and removed repeated frames, so the gif is now 24fps with no repeated frames. I don't know if the gamersyde video has the same issue, I used the Youtube version.
OLD/repeating frames representing 30fps video
EDITED/smoothed out representing 24fps video
Very noticeable. To those who don't know this doesn't mean the game is 24fps. 24fps is a standard among video files too.
SilentFlyer
Member
So you are implying that the gameplay in in this video isn't optimized and could boost the fps to 60 when reaching optimization phase?