GalacticMouse
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Rushy also confirmed to me on Twitter that everything's in-engine!
Hype-Level Midnight.
Hype-Level Midnight.
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Conversations with creators - Driveclub PS4 [New footage]
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Ask whats their AA solution.
See You Next Wednesday
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Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I'm really suspicious about AA, but if Forza Horizon could use 4xMSAA+FXAA, then possibly this could that or more...
I noticed this too. I don't know if this is the first game to finally do this. Realtime generated cubemaps maybe.
Even 4x MSAA + FXAA or SMAA 4x wont provide such clean image like in this trailer and non of them solve shader aliasing, which was absent too.
I've not find any aliasing in this footage, non even one line and i've watched distant thin cabled and ratio stations, there was no line break anywhere.
Its probably only for cars and in close proximity. Dirt 2 already did it even on consoles. Should be a standard feature in all future racing games, at least for hoods and cars, not all geometry.
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I found footage from Dirt 2 from xbox 360.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32SbHdtxSrA
Wow even smoke and dirt is reflected, i didnt remember that!
GalacticMouse
Member
I asked him. I'll post his response if I get one.
That salt.
GameSeeker
Member
The new footage looks excellent, as did the previous footage from the Feb. event.
The only thing that looks suspicious is the lack of aliasing. When we see footage from Killzone: SF, you can see aliasing in the footage, so it looks excellent, but believable.
Someone should ask Evolution on Twitter what AA solution they are using to get such a clean look.
Also, never ask a game developer if something is "in-engine". "In-engine" often just means that they used a PC version of the engine to render the frames for the video clip. "In game on target platform" is the question you want to ask.
The only thing that looks suspicious is the lack of aliasing. When we see footage from Killzone: SF, you can see aliasing in the footage, so it looks excellent, but believable.
Someone should ask Evolution on Twitter what AA solution they are using to get such a clean look.
Also, never ask a game developer if something is "in-engine". "In-engine" often just means that they used a PC version of the engine to render the frames for the video clip. "In game on target platform" is the question you want to ask.
Games usually look smoother on these types of videos though, due to Youtube compression etc. They're probably using a really high sample of AA, they certainly have the ram too.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Actually now that I think about it, I believe the first game that did this was Driver: SF. Rightfully, made by team called "Reflections"
ACH1LL3US
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I...did not know this. I was wondering why people kept mentioning PGR. PGR4 was phenomenal.
Hype x10
Smoother yes, there is tons of DoF and motion blur too that helps, i completely agree. But its smooth like CG here on every footage, thats not possible even with best real-time AA solutions.
BTW look at this footage from Dirt 2 i've posted. Dirt 2 used 4x MSAA on xbox 360 and this video is off-screen and very poor quality and yet You can see subpixel aliasing.
hayabusachop
Banned
Looks no where near as good as the reveal, I don't know wtf you foos are talking about.
Portugeezer
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Doing my bit
BigDaddyFatSack
Banned
That looks average. Not for me.
Average compared to what?
Real life.
Ingueferroque
Banned
Seems to run a bit choppy?
So...if this PS4 game looks average, I wonder how the Xbox One games will look to you in full motion?
Doing my bit
Honestly, the in car view lighting(material shaders?) Look like forza 4
An unfinished game for hardware that hasn't even been released yet is choppy? Never mind, my hype is now gone.
Cizeta-Moroder
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"In-engine" does not imply "rendered realtime on consumer hardware".
It's still ambiguous.
It's still ambiguous.
Portugeezer
Member
Objectively speaking it doesn't look worse, better in many ways (trees in the vista for example).
Just seems maybe you prefer warm sunset setting.
I'd give these guys the extra time to polish this. A dev team with as history like this needs their time. So the next 4-5 months of dev time are going to be very important for the final look of this game. I don't feel they should be pressured to go 60fps for a arcade/sim game if it looks killer but that is just me. They had better have stellar motion blur and AA at 30fps though.
Yeah that needs work. I would probably play outside view though until the next gen of wheels get released.
I recommend getting the video from GamerSyde, much higher quality.
http://gamersyde.com/news_evolution_talks_about_driveclub-14115_en.html
http://gamersyde.com/news_evolution_talks_about_driveclub-14115_en.html
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Love the paddle shift animation
You think like me. I love shit like this. Yea, the game does look amazing, but as someone else said, what impresses me most isn't necessarily just the visuals, it's the amazing camera work.
Guys, guys! I just had en epiphany!!
What if you join a friend racing in a single event via those PS4-Social-Features and you would spawn in his passenger seat and get the wohle "Shotgun!"-Experience. I love being driven around by a skilled driver IRL aswell and would die for that feature. Just sitting there, chatting and trashtalking with a friend that is meanwhile doing some drift-challenges... that would be blissful! If I also own the game, that should be technically no problem at all. I understand, It will not work via streaming though...
Come on Evolution, make that happen!
What if you join a friend racing in a single event via those PS4-Social-Features and you would spawn in his passenger seat and get the wohle "Shotgun!"-Experience. I love being driven around by a skilled driver IRL aswell and would die for that feature. Just sitting there, chatting and trashtalking with a friend that is meanwhile doing some drift-challenges... that would be blissful! If I also own the game, that should be technically no problem at all. I understand, It will not work via streaming though...
Come on Evolution, make that happen!
It doesn't. Some of the hill textures were bland. Cockpit detail looks better than anything on a console now, but not a huge leap.
It still looks really good, though. Its unmistakeably next-gen.
Portugeezer
Member
Because Turn 10?
Anyway, have we seen Forza 5 gameplay? Nope, right... but let's compare power and potential framerates for the fuck of it.
SolidSnakex
Member
It has nothing to do with the developer. This is about different genres. It's expected that sim racers will run at 60fps. Just like fighting games are expected to hit that framerate. The same isn't expected of arcade racers.
GANGSTERKILLER
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It doesn't look that amazing to be honest... I think Forza 5 will be the better and prettier racing game.
The trailer of Forza 5 looks more like PGR than Forza, which is a good thing.
But I'm not buying a Xbone. Oh no no.
The trailer of Forza 5 looks more like PGR than Forza, which is a good thing.
But I'm not buying a Xbone. Oh no no.
Portugeezer
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I know its a stretch, but maybe they are waiting to see if they can actually pull it off? I mean, its not like they havent done huge improvements in very little time in the past (MS
I agree, they could be pushing for 60fps. If it was going to be 30fps why wouldn't they just confirm it at this point, it's what people expect, so maybe they're trying for 60fps... would be a surprise for sure.
Graphics Horse
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Codemaster's PSP + PS2 games did it, they grab the previous frame and use it for the reflections. It's a trick that only looks good at shallow angles so it's perfect for that view.
I'm 99% sure that Dirt 2's hood reflections are done using a relatively simple form of screen space reflection effect. In that video, you can see how the car is only reflected up to a certain part on the hood (although the bending moves that line somewhat), the reflection stops at a line even though its reflection should cover more of the hood, while it literally stands on top of the hood, that's because that effect can't reflect anything off screen as it is not actually even doing a cubemap. If you take a close look at it, you'll see nothing that you cannot see on screen can be reflected. Granted, it looks so good, but it's not applicable everywhere. Next gen games will probably use more advanced versions of screen space reflections.
edit: Oh, I see Graphics Horse was faster to reply. As he says, it's not applicable everywhere.
kriskrosbbk
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yeah mate ,sounds fun indeed.day 1
Rogue_Ledr
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Game definitely looks amazing, but they need to get that framerate up to 60 FPS.
A racing game works best with 60.
A racing game works best with 60.
In Turn 10's case, it does matter a bit. Forza was one of the few games that ran at both 720p native and 60fps on the 360. Considering the scope of the game, it was a pretty big accomplishment and not something that I think is just a 'given' for any other developer to be able to accomplish. RacePro was not 60fps and that was made by an experienced developer with these sorts of racing games.
I agree that 60fps isn't expected of arcade racers, though.
Killzone devs were saying after PS meeting that ICE team works on new AA sollution.
If they managed to get MLAA working at same level without subpixel problems this kind of IQ is possible imo. But i don't see Sony resolving all AA woes with magical MLAA implementation.
As i said my take on this is supersampled video which would mean in-engine not in-game.
Though there are pop-ins for vegetation and reflections which may point at actual render from devkit without touching it up.
I am really interested with their AA sollution. MLAA in gow3 was amazing. If they could resolve subpixel problem then we would have really clean looking games.
Let's be clear here. Next gen won't resolve assets problem. If you will render big vistas there always will be catch somewhere. Right now landscape even with those few muddy textures as you said looks at whole another level than all racing games including pCars. Undoubtedly they put a ton of work into assets production and it shows.
Of course it has to do with developers, some developers are better than others and Turn 10 have proved they are pretty good at pushing hardware to it's limits.
If anything DriveClub should look way better as it won't have to deal with the physics or 60fps Forza 5 will. I'm looking forward to both though.
Every reflection in next-gen will be screen space reflection
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They are working on something like SMAA just more suited for PS4 [so cheaper combined with MSAA], but it wont be that good. No AA can be. BTW i'm downloading gamersyde version now.
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No aliasing to be found anywhere.
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Doesnt seems like Dirt 2 is doing image copying from PS2, but more screen space reflection combined with cubemaps like Crysis 3 or TLoU for water reflections.
You can see that in this footage i've posted on edges reflections disappears, because of lack of angle.