Bluekaveli
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Sorry, I should've done that in the first place. I want to see more of this game. It has some really nice colours.
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The Witness using 5GB RAM so far
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Sorry, I should've done that in the first place. I want to see more of this game. It has some really nice colours.
Somebody lots of people in this thread are itching to whack.
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The Everyman
1. more is always better, but the reason he thinks that the xbox one should have more ram is because ddr3 ram is pretty cheap at retail, so in bulk, another 8gbs would probably cost... oh... i dunno. $20-30? and it enables so much more for such a small increase to the BOM. he wouldn't have said this about the ps4 on other hand, even though it also has 8gs of ram because gddr is some expensive stuff.
2. thats true, what needs to be explained?
3. Making efficient use of that much ram with a small team is tough. it would probably mean a ton of assets, more than you would expect a small indie team to produce.
that's my take.
PeakPointMatrix
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The same well informed posters who KNOW The Witness is unoptimized and will run like shit despite not even filling 2/3s of the allocated RAM.
Alchemy said:
Alchemy said:
First rushing to judgment is okay, now it's not? Can we decide here?
And I'm not really sure how you can say what I'm doing is even a judgment, nvm an extreme one. All I said was, based on what we've been shown, I don't quite get how they get to using 5GB+ of RAM.
Tripolygon
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I keep refreshing this page waiting for the next stupid comment to be butchered down by people who actually know what they are talking about.
redmetal86
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That reminds me of something. There was an episode of "The Batman" where at some point Batman etched binary code onto metal in the batcave so that people 1000 years in the future will know how to combat Mr. Freeze.
qa_engineer
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Am I reading this right, is he complaining about any loading of assets once the game has loaded? As if the entire game should be in ram at all time or something?
This isn't "the future" in that regard, it's why we have HDD's and optical drives. I think that persons example about what Crysis does with 4gb is very apt.
To be honest, I think we're kinda lucky they have 8gb as it is. I was expecting 4gb for all of them.
This isn't "the future" in that regard, it's why we have HDD's and optical drives. I think that persons example about what Crysis does with 4gb is very apt.
To be honest, I think we're kinda lucky they have 8gb as it is. I was expecting 4gb for all of them.
Net_Wrecker
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Clearly that 6GB game isn't worth anyone's time or money.
THEY AIN'T EVEN OPTIMIZE IT, YO
SomeOneInaHat
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d00d3n
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Cheesecakebobby
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Wow this game is going to look 10 times better than The Last of Us!
SomeOneInaHat
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If you have a ton of spare RAM available, and your game is currently making frequent HDD and optical drive accesses, pushing more content onto RAM is optimization.
Suppose we have Game 1 and Game 2. They are the exact same game and run on the exact same hardware, except that Game 2 suffers from frequent texture popping because it uses only 100MB of RAM, while Game 1 does not suffer from texture popping because it takes advantage of most of the hardware's 1GB RAM pool. Is Game 2 better-optimized than Game 1? Have fun arguing that to people only looking at the end result!
Suppose we have Game 1 and Game 2. They are the exact same game and run on the exact same hardware, except that Game 2 suffers from frequent texture popping because it uses only 100MB of RAM, while Game 1 does not suffer from texture popping because it takes advantage of most of the hardware's 1GB RAM pool. Is Game 2 better-optimized than Game 1? Have fun arguing that to people only looking at the end result!
quite a suspect post history there.
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The Everyman
never heard a rape victim say they wish their attacker had more ram.
...baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad joke
Well I was under the impression The Witness is launching simultaneously on those platforms (Sony's timed exclusivity deal is only for consoles). If the PC/iOS versions are coming out later on then I guess it makes more sense to take full advantage of PS4's hardware and downport later.
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I'm not sure why you felt compelled to point this out. But your example doesn't justify your premise. If everything else is high end, you can bet that 4 GB of RAM would hold your system back under many circumstances.
We can pick nits about "low end" vs "lower end", but my point was simply that 5 GB required RAM could be optimized to 4 GB in order to open up his game to a wider market of PC gamers.
But your point about PC RAM vs console RAM (the part I didn't quote) is totally valid.
I don't think you'll see "XBox One" on twitter a lot. Keep it short.
Indeed. But the decision about the design etc. had to be made at a given
point. It's simply too easy speaking about that way if "you" (he) isn't the one
holding his head if the decision about the amount goes wrong. As a developer,
it's pretty easy to say; add more RAM cause it cost just about a few buck at
retail. But it's an entire different game while making the decision for an
entire company based on future predictions. Watch the 8GB of GDDR5 for the
PS4. No develop thought this would be possible with the PS4. But it is. Who
could have predicted it truthfully?
Now you added 'small'. But I think even small teams can fill up 4, 5, 6 GB
of RAM. There are many small indie teams out there, all filled up with kind
of professional guys and gals. Indie != incapable.
That's a ridiculous assertion. May as well say he's biased because he has a sprite as his twitter picture.
He was saying the 8GB of ram gives extra breathing room to commit time to making the game rather than optimizing it. If the PS4 had 4GB of ram, he would then need to optimize it and thus spend precious development time on something other than designing/making the game.
shinobi602
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Haunted
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No worries, mate!
Agreed. Great iPad/iOS game.
I'd really love a new Secret of Mana with this sort of artstyle. We have all this creative potential available with the power of these new machines, and yet too many developers are stuck chasing realism.
It reminds me of a beautiful, next generation version of Viva Pinata (graphically):
Wasn't planning on it before, but I'll probably pick this game up. I've been liking the slower, more mental games with pretty visuals a lot more than the big action blockbuster titles these days. Those gifs kind of sell me on it.
Didn't skyrim for ps3 have huge issues because of ram before being patched? i guess that the game was 'optimized' but still had problems. I can see some xbox fans are upset because he bashes on MS, but he is telling the truth no matter how you spin it
I am sure the game could run with 4GB or even less memory. The thing is he would have to spend time on stuff that now is no issue at all.
I don't think people's responses come from them not understanding programming, I just think that most people have a desktop (or maybe smartphone/tablet) programming background, where it's uncommon to dedicate 5 gigs of ram to one program ( because of the massive amounts of multitasking, the OS, etc). The PS4 seems to be made for that kind of thing, though.
What he said does startle me, not because I think his code is unoptimized or bloated, but because I thought it'd be a while before people got that much use out of the console. This will be an interesting gen.
What he said does startle me, not because I think his code is unoptimized or bloated, but because I thought it'd be a while before people got that much use out of the console. This will be an interesting gen.
How annoying to read that,double checking to see if it's a false call and then determining that you're right.
Bummer.
SirCrush
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Shades of the SNES era lol "24megs!" "32megs of POWER!" And they were really just cartridge sizes. Now we're measuring in RAM utilization? My how far we've come!
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