Chuckie
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This is funny because those "nice guys/nerds" can be just as sexist and as much of assholes as the jocks.
And often don't even realize it themselves.
This is funny because those "nice guys/nerds" can be just as sexist and as much of assholes as the jocks.
Must feel good to be in "right" group.
If you perceive being strong in one's convictions as smug self-righteousness it speaks more towards your own insecurity than it does towards mine.
And yes, it does feel good to be right. I see no reason to apologize for being on the right side of history.
I got lavaballed. For those unaware of this amazing term, it’s when someone sits on public transit and, presumably for reasons resulting from an unbearable, scorching heat in their groin, must spread their legs wide. The vast majority of the time, this is a man. The vast majority of the time, they encroach on the personal space of a woman.
When this happens to you, you are dealing with it. The encroachment has already happened; you must respond. You can cross your legs, give way, open the space he’s insisting on. Or you can plant your legs and refuse. This requires physical contact for the duration of your intent, or the duration of his intent to claim what he thinks is his. You run the risk of him taking this as a challenge, as a flirtation, as an offense.
I don't know about all that, but realize that these aren't adults we are talking about here, but a bunch of shithead 15-18 year olds.
A trigger warning is for people who have PTSD. For example, there rape victims who have PTSD and are "triggered" by a rape scene in a movie or tv show."microaggressions"
and what the hell is a trigger warning
18 years old isn't adulthood?
There is no age for mental maturityMaybe legally, but 18 is hardly the age of a fully matured (mentally and physically) adult.
There is no age for mental maturity
yet feminism also has elements in it that argue that women should have more rights than menFeminism = Believing women should have equal rights to men. It's a very broad range, and i'm not sure whether your bold example is a straw feminist, or one very extreme person, but the vast majority of feminists do not think that. I believe that the majority of males are feminists in all but self-definition.
excuse me if I don't buy the already left US mainstream media being out to get feministAnd here we are, at the core of the issue. If I am not misunderstanding your post, then what you described is nothing more than what the mainstream media's fabricated feminism representations would want you to believe.
yet feminism also has elements in it that argue that women should have more rights than men
which doesn't agree with your definition
imho feminism = movement for the advancement of women rights
excuse me if I don't buy the already left US mainstream media being out to get feminist
So this is pretty disgusting. And people say that sexism is finished.
The great thing about these discussions is that anytime you want to call out a claim as a strawman, there are probably a dozen of people actually saying the most ridiculous statement imaginable.I don't think I've heard that in life. But I suppose it probably has happened.
That "lavaball" lady might actually have some mental issues. I mean it sounds quite paranoid."microaggressions"
and what the hell is a trigger warning
The great thing about these discussions is that anytime you want to call out a claim as a strawman, there are probably a dozen of people actually saying the most ridiculous statement imaginable.
That "lavaball" lady might actually have some mental issues. I mean it sounds quite paranoid.
Not really. She's saying that some men occasionally deliberately invade a woman's space on the subway by sitting down and spreading their legs wide. She also describes in detail several other ways in which some, not all, men express dominance over women.
Hard to see how describing this suggests she has "mental issues."
When you pass a group of people and hear someone laughing, you can either think that someone just told a joke or you can think that they're laughing at you. To me it sounds like she does the latter just times ten.Not really. She's saying that some men occasionally deliberately invade a woman's space on the subway by sitting down and spreading their legs wide. She also describes in detail several other ways in which some, not all, men express dominance over women.
Hard to see how describing this suggests she has "mental issues."
Not everything has to be a personal attack.
Not really. She's saying that some men occasionally deliberately invade a woman's space on the subway by sitting down and spreading their legs wide. She also describes in detail several other ways in which some, not all, men express dominance over women.
Hard to see how describing this suggests she has "mental issues."
They could just be inconsiderate assholes. Maybe it's not the same thing, but I've had to sit in the back of the car with people many times, and I'm crushing my legs together while they're sitting comfortably.
Plus, "legs wide open" pose is an indicator of confidence or something like that, and so these people are probably just sitting how they want to.
I dunno.
When you pass a group of people and hear someone laughing, you can either think that someone just told a joke or you can think that they're laughing at you. To me it sounds like she does the latter just times ten.
Not everything has to be a personal attack.
I always sit with my legs open wide. It has nothing to do with the fact that I'm trying to invade anyone's space or that I'm trying to express dominance over anyone.
It's because occasionally when I keep my legs closed I start crushing my important parts, and I don't exactly enjoy crushing those parts, nor is there any way to reposition in that immediate situation without sticking my hands down my pants.
Also, balls do get sweaty and uncomfortable. Opening your legs is one way to deal with that.
imho feminism = movement for the advancement of women rights
Indeed they could just be inconsiderate assholes. She didn't do a scientific study. Personally, I haven't ever had a dude plop down next to me and try to take up my leg room. She states she has, and has observed other similar situations.
Good for you. While it is undoubtedly comfortable to sit with one's legs spread wide, often in a professional setting I am unable to sit with my legs in that fashion, since doing so makes you look like someone who should be spitting tobaccy juice in a tin and talking about his smell hound. On the rare occasions that it causes me ball discomfort or ball heat I've found that relatively easy to remedy by shifting positions without necessitating a Larry the Cable Guy pose.
in my experience, feminist = someone who thinks that every single thing a man does (and has done in the past, because she feels i am responsible for thousands of years of patriarchism) to a women is sexist, surely not someone who thinks that men and women should have the same rights.
yes, probably not every self-defined feminist is like this (or at least i hope so), but why i shouldn't generalize if they do it to men ?
This is funny because those "nice guys/nerds" can be just as sexist and as much of assholes as the jocks.
In contrast to other examples she brings up like catcalling it still sounds a little vague. There is no question about the intentions of the guy shouting after a woman, while some guy spreading his legs (btw. tall persons have to do that quite often) seems like a passive thing that can easily be misinterpreted.I agree, but most of the things she is describing appear to be direct personal interaction where a man is failing to respect her physical boundaries.
In contrast to other examples she brings up like catcalling it still sounds a little vague. There is no question about the intentions of the guy shouting after a woman, while some guy spreading his legs (btw. tall persons have to do that quite often) seems like a passive thing that can easily be misinterpreted.
They're the worst. Some of them on NeoGAF. At least most of the 'jocky/dbag/etc' type assholes are bold and brash about it. Hard to tell with others until you actually know them.
That's fair. To be honest, though, I also find it odd that her response is to wage a silent war and making assumptions about what the other person is doing. I think that the results would be more conclusive if she ever asked the person to excuse their foot. Their response would certainly be telling as to why they're doing what they're doing. Some may be assholes, some may be tired and/or oblivious to the world around them.
Please tell me of this miracle position that relieves you of all ball problems without opening your legs.
In contrast to other examples she brings up like catcalling it still sounds a little vague. There is no question about the intentions of the guy shouting after a woman, while some guy spreading his legs (btw. tall persons have to do that quite often) seems like a passive thing that can easily be misinterpreted.
Got it, virtually all guys are sexist assholes.
If your opinion of men is that low, you deserve every negative interaction with them you get.
Got it, virtually all guys are sexist assholes.
If your opinion of men is that low, you deserve every negative interaction with them you get.
Could be. There is a lot of creeper behavior on the subway, I don't think it's unreasonable for her to suspect this might be of a piece.
you deserve every negative interaction with them you get.
The problem is that the way you're talking about feminists makes this seem like it could be right. This isn't trying to be a drive-by snipe but your last few posts make it seem like you've already taken a very dim and limited view of anyone who identifies as feminist and the way you're constucting your made up conversations with them has you coming off as impossibly self-rightious to the point where nobody is really going to want to get into this in depth with you, particularly when 'x, y and z' includes opinions like 'eating disorders are a problem created by women', 'I don't want to be lumped in the same group as rapists and abusers because I have a dick. Yet they always try to push that agenda.' and 'They're girls labeling everything sexist and all men should feel bad for being men.'.
Now, I'm not specifically saying that you're some kind of idiot because you've also said that you're for equal rights and all of that, just that you're coming off as someone who makes gross generalisations then defends them vigoriously, making you very tiring to have an actual discussion with.
Yes, let us not call out people on their potentially damaging mindsets. Maybe once women stop deserving to be harassed, we can start doing something about it. (P.S. I have no clue where you got the "virtually all guys" from.)Got it, virtually all guys are sexist assholes.
If your opinion of men is that low, you deserve every negative interaction with them you get.
Most of those supposed criticisms are imagined and perceived as personal attacks. It's the same thing that happens with race discussions. When things like white privilege and stuff gets brought up, you'll have a group of people going on about how it's all just "white guilt"/anti-white sentiment trying to make people feel ashamed of being white. People can't seem to differentiate between a system and the people who fall victim to it. And it affects everyone. Everyone is equally responsible, and yet no one is person is to blame.I'm against those people(yes, some men too) who use that word to try and break everything down into gender classes and try to make men feel bad for being men.
Uh... This is some really creepy shit right here.
From Chapter 7, Physical Escalation and Sex:
The concept of waiting for signs or Indicators of Interest was commonplace in older pickup theory. It is 100% garbage and needs to be erased from the face of the planet.
Never, ever, ever, wait for a SIGN before you escalate! You will miss out on the vast majority of chances if you sit around waiting for SIGNS. Men are notoriously bad at reading womens minds and body language. Dont think that youre any different. From now on you must ASSUME that she is attracted to you and wants to be ravished. Its a difference in mindset that makes champs champs and chumps chumps..It is YOUR JOB, as the man, to lead the interaction. Be playful. Spin her around. Pick her up. Push her away as a tease and then pull her back in.
Decide that youre going to sit in a position where you can rub her leg and back. Physically pick her up and sit her on your lap. Dont ask for permission. Be dominant. Force her to rebuff your advances.
Got it, virtually all guys are sexist assholes.
If your opinion of men is that low, you deserve every negative interaction with them you get.
Wow dude you sound so bitter. I'm sure you're a super nice guy that girls unfairly won't give a chance.Got it, virtually all guys are sexist assholes.
If your opinion of men is that low, you deserve every negative interaction with them you get.
In contrast to other examples she brings up like catcalling it still sounds a little vague. There is no question about the intentions of the guy shouting after a woman, while some guy spreading his legs (btw. tall persons have to do that quite often) seems like a passive thing that can easily be misinterpreted.
Wow dude you sound so bitter. I'm sure you're a super nice guy that girls unfairly won't give a chance.
You know, when you're not telling them they deserve to be treated badly.
Also, I never said virtually all guys are sexist assholes. I said any "type" of guy can be. But thanks for proving you're one of the assholes.
Of course... Modern society built on 6000+ years of patriarchal society and certain gender roles/norms isn't going away soon.
It's even worse when you consider the future of economic and industrial power is in countries like India and China where women have way less rights.
As an aside, I've noticed that there is a growing backlash against social issues recently. Example, after the Kotaku articles on sexism in games, which many concluded were manufactured controversy, I noticed in a lot of other related threads, comments like 'better not let Kotaku know', 'was this written by Kotaku'. It really hampered discourse on the subject.
I think it's changing, but it'll take time, but I don't think we'll ever have true gender equality. Just not possible, just as no racism is not possible etc.
So what percentage of men do you think are sexist assholes?
My point was that what you put out there tends to come back to you. Your preconceptions and negative opinions of people will be reinforced. Same with positive ones.