funnily enough, this is better for their exposure than actually going to PAX
possible true reason?
I never put anything past anyone. This possibility has to be considered.
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I'm not a fan of PA. After the whole taking down the Childs Play fundraiser money that Mass Effect 3 fans started during the ME3 ending fiasco I pretty much wrote them off.
But I can see through that whole situation and realize that he's not someone that hates transgendered people and is not transphobic.
If you are someone who equates my identity and personhood with someone who wants to be a fox or a dolphin, then sorry, you do hate me.
I never said I equated anyone's identity with anything. I simply said that I could see a guy being ganged up on and saying stupid things out of anger. Which I also said wasn't smart.
If he were transphobic, he wouldn't be friends with Sophie Prell.
possible true reason?
I never put anything past anyone. This possibility has to be considered.
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I'm not a fan of PA. After the whole taking down the Childs Play fundraiser money that Mass Effect 3 fans started during the ME3 ending fiasco I pretty much wrote them off.
If he were transphobic, he wouldn't be friends with Sophie Prell.
wait sorry did you just use the "i can't be racist, see i have black friends" argument
I love this stuff. People genuinely think the accusation of being a bigot is as hurtful as the discrimination LGBT people face. Twitter outrage culture is great for shaking down these things piece by piece and finding out just how hilarious people are.
Besides, PAX was about community, and that isn't the kind of community I want to associate with.
Basically, but people are trotting out the "he said something we don't agree with, therefore he must be a hateful bigot" argument as well, so it all seems about even stevens to me.
Sorry to see Sqorgar go. Always good to read thoughtful arguments on all sides of an issue.
Soo, uh, what do you think the next Lotto numbers will be?
Basically, but people are trotting out the "he said something we don't agree with, therefore he must be a hateful bigot" argument as well, so it all seems about even stevens to me.
Sorry to see Sqorgar go. Always good to read thoughtful arguments on all sides of an issue.
Wait what? I must have missed this
Basically, but people are trotting out the "he said something we don't agree with, therefore he must be a hateful bigot" argument as well, so it all seems about even stevens to me.
Sorry to see Sqorgar go. Always good to read thoughtful arguments on all sides of an issue.
fans raised ~80,000 dollars for Childs play in protest of the ME3 ending. PA shut it down because they said it wasn't right to raise the money that way -- using the ME3 ending as a catalyst for a cause.
$80,000 that could have gone to sick kids... gone.
My issue with that statement was that Child's Play partially exists to give positive attention to the games business. It's saying "look! video game people aren't bad, we give all this money to help kids". Of course it does help kids in the end, so it's a net good, but I don't think it's much different from the ME3 thing in that it's not as altruistic as they want to pretend it is. If you just wanted to donate money you wouldn't have to do it in the name of something, in this case games.Child’s Play cannot be a tool to draw attention to a cause. Child’s Play must be the Cause.
Trans people are one of the most marginalised and oppressed minorities in the world with way over national averages of homelessness, depression, unemployment, suicides (considered, attempted and succeeded), HIV and survival sex work...
Yet still some people on videogame forums and twitter are upset at having to reconsider the hurtful language they use in relation to trans people. All you have to do is listen when we speak up, that's it! There are also books and blogs out there if you want to know more.
The general population is fairly ignorant of trans issues and that's understandable but if you continue to use demeaning language despite having been told that it's hurtful and you continue to shout down anyone who challenges your narrow understanding of gender with stupid accusations ("over-sensitive" "militant") then that does make you a nasty transphobic bigot.
Look at the kind of people who oppose trans rights in parliaments worldwide; are those the kind of people you want to be associated with, those who in debates compare equal marriage to wanting to marry your dog or your sister? Because that's the level you're on.
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Look at the kind of people who oppose trans rights in parliaments worldwide; are those the kind of people you want to be associated with, those who in debates compare equal marriage to wanting to marry your dog or your sister? Because that's the level you're on.
I swear they also had an earlier donation drive themed around ME3 before it launched which made it seem all the more hypocritical.No, they took the money but they shut down further donations. Their reason was:
My issue with that statement was that Child's Play partially exists to give positive attention to the games business. It's saying "look! video game people aren't bad, we give all this money to help kids". Of course it does help kids in the end, so it's a net good, but I don't think it's much different from the ME3 thing in that it's not as altruistic as they want to pretend it is. If you just wanted to donate money you wouldn't have to do it in the name of something, in this case games.
I have to admit I am a bit shocked by Sqorgar's banning and EviLore's response.
Maybe that makes me an awful person or something, but I actually didn't think the guy was being a huge idiot or anything. I hesitate to even post that opinion because of the wrath he so obviously incurred. I've gone back and checked his posts and while he was definitely leaning on the issue, it's really hard for me to call that guy a bigoted asshole.
For whatever that's worth. It freaks me out because I immediately call into question my own judgement on such issues. I certainly don't consider myself a bigot or hateful. That said I am just slightly mystified by this entire trans community/PA/Gone Home thing.
I have to admit I am a bit shocked by Sqorgar's banning and EviLore's response.
Maybe that makes me an awful person or something, but I actually didn't think the guy was being a huge idiot or anything. I hesitate to even post that opinion because of the wrath he so obviously incurred. I've gone back and checked his posts and while he was definitely leaning on the issue, it's really hard for me to call that guy a bigoted asshole.
For whatever that's worth. It freaks me out because I immediately call into question my own judgement on such issues. I certainly don't consider myself a bigot or hateful. That said I am just slightly mystified by this entire trans community/PA/Gone Home thing.
You think it's okay to insult people for something they can't control? Bigot or not that's a shitty attitude.
Respect for sacrificing for their principles.
No I don't.
I do not think that. Let's be clear.
I just thought he had opened up a very touchy area. I saw this years ago with comedians making jokes at gay people's expense (Eddie Murphy most prominently at the time). I don't think there's anything wrong with trans people. And yes I do think they too can be poked fun at. I consider that part of true equality. Insults, that's another thing. That's just bad behaviour. But I sort of understood – or at least, in my own interpretation, I understood – what the point of that comment was. It wasn't phrased the most elegant way.
And I think EviLore could have made his point better than "Hey fucking asshole, don't be such a fucking asshole, you asshole." I'm paraphrasing of course. I get why he was perhaps exasperated but I do not think for a second Sqorgar was being purposefully insensitive or antagonistic, I really don't.
Anyways. Probably best to remove myself and stay on the gaming side.
You don't have to be purposefully insensitive to be insensitive. People often don't know how shitty or baseless their stances are.
The difference between a joke and an insult is if it's funny. Some people are really good at being funny. Others shouldn't even try otherwise they might offend people with their painfully unfunny and tasteless joke. Tone and an expectation to be funny makes it easier to make jokes so an anonymous, public, populous text-based forum is probably the worst place to make potentially offensive jokes.
If there is a lesson to take from this it's that in a extremely sensitive topic make sure your arguments are crystal clear, otherwise that's a banning.
This is difficult as I know you aren't supposed to talk about some aspects of bans. I watched the Sqogar posts for all of these threads.
All I will say is - While offering a lot of information, and views explained in a way that seemed intellectual, I feel the take-away was too much: "and now because I have explained how extremely detached, fair, and objective I am, I can justly make a sweeping generalization that trans people as a whole suck. And it's OK to fight them by mocking them so they know their place."
I don't know if that was truly the intended subtext. But several posts read that way to me, and came across as someone being a plain asshole but in a very wordy way, to justify it.
I point this out only because it's a common tactic in Internet discussions, and won't discuss the ban further.
It's a popular website, people do care what these kinds of figureheads say. You might not, but others will parrot their views and spread this shit. It's not okay to say this shit in the first place and if there are consequences, that's a good thing.Personally I think that is kind of lame. Who gives a shit what Gabe says. I don't.
I mean if proceeds from PAX went to fund anti-transgender legislation, sure boycott it. But someone says something offensive on twitter. Chill out.
"Funny" isn't measurable, though. Some of Shakespeare's most amusing (to many but not all!) work was actually in the form of insults between characters. Louis CK would be a more modern example where I could pull out dozens of his quotes, that taken out of context or without his delivery would be considered pretty fucking bad.
I do agree that it's of course possible to be insensitive unintentionally obviously but I think the person feeling insulted should consider the malice, or lack of, in the statement. Just consider it in reaction, not excuse or dismiss it.
I've been offended personally by people making dumb jokes at my expense, over things I could not control, and I did not enjoy that. But I weigh whether or not that person is just being a bit of a dolt vs purposefully attacking me verbally with intent to make me angry or upset. Some people think they are being funny. Some know they are being mean. I hope that makes sense.
No no no, you're thinking of Gaynor Peaches. Completely different company.They are a peach canning establishment.
I don't think Gabe is transphobic. He definitely has some differing opinions about sexuality than most of you guys but it doesn't seem like it was something particularly negative and aggressive that was said.
He's a bastard, he admits this and he even said sorry for the statement he made. The fact that you guys are holding virtual pitchforks and asking for his head doesn't seem like it's the most progressive thing you can do too, really :/
You guys really need to be less of a bastard than this too.
Well, okay then, Mike. Maybe just stop being an asshole?I hate the idea that because I can’t stop being an asshole I hurt all these other amazing things.
Mike issued a no-apology apology. He admits he's an asshole, but he doesn't apologize for it.
I’m very sorry about yesterday. There are very few things that someone can say to me that will actually make me lose my temper. All my buttons got pushed yesterday though and I snapped. I doubt that will change anyone’s opinion but there you go. I’m not qualified to talk about the ambiguity of sexuality and frankly I don’t give a shit about it. I like drawing comics and playing video games. I’ll keep my mouth shut when it comes to all the other stuff.
I don't think Gabe is transphobic. He definitely has some differing opinions about sexuality than most of you guys but it doesn't seem like it was something particularly negative and aggressive that was said.
He's a bastard, he admits this and he even said sorry for the statement he made. The fact that you guys are holding virtual pitchforks and asking for his head doesn't seem like it's the most progressive thing you can do too, really :/
You guys really need to be less of a bastard than this too.
You don't get to decide what isn't transphobic any more so than a white person can decide that something isn't racist when the effected groups are insisting that the language in question is problematic.
If someone is serious about making an apology they don't use meme as the article title, put transphobic in quotation marks and then say at the end that they ultimately do not give a shit.
There you go.
Look, you guys were right that what he said was insensitive, and he certainly had said and done some pretty stupid stuff in the past due to his Asshole Defense Stance. This time he really has apologised about it.
It just isn't written very well because frankly, writing isn't really one of his strong points. I just feel that we should let it rest for this.
That's pushing it. Putting a meme as a title has nothing to do about not being serious about making an apology, nor is it in him putting transphobic in quotation marks (from what I can see in that article anyway).
He saying he doesn't give a shit about it says nothing that his apology wasn't serious too. Hell, I honestly had no idea what he wrote could be so offensive myself. I have absolutely no prior experience to this and I have no transgender friends, at all. Reading all this had got me thinking about it (which is something really interesting), and questioning my thoughts over the matter but I feel some of you are going too far with this.
It doesnt seem like some (SOME) of you want to burn for what he has said, and I really don't think that will be a good way to prove a point to him that he was wrong.
No no no, you're thinking of Gaynor Peaches. Completely different company.
If you think that apology was sincere you really make up for in privilege what you lack in empathy.