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damage has been done. No one should support that backwards shitohle with tourism money anyway.
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Dubai: woman sentenced to 1 y 4 mos for reporting rape (update: pardoned)
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A good example how to apply diplomatic pressure.
There are obviously no illusions. This was all about the money flow, the officials in Dubai could care less about this woman but at least this time the media performed well.
There's proof the rapist was lying in front of the judge, there was a witness, there's a dna report, there are medical records, but noooooooooo, she didn't have 4 MALE witnesses, so she should go in jail for having sex outside of marriage!
watch video of Marte Deborah Dalelv about what happened.
watch video of Marte Deborah Dalelv about what happened.
diggmcbadass
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It's fantastic news for her, but the laws are still there.
electristan
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Pardoned.
So she is still guilty of the crime, but they have allowed her to leave. how nice of them.
So she is still guilty of the crime, but they have allowed her to leave. how nice of them.
Naked Snake
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Exactly, it's bullshit. Will keep happening to other women over and over.
Meus Renaissance
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The crime that she and he was charged with was pre-marital sex
Sapphire Dreams
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What the hell Dubai? you're not making us look any better ....
GasProblem
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Yeah, she has been pardoned. The rapist has been pardoned too though...
Sutton Dagger
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Which is an absolutely shitty 'crime'. There is no justification for having such ridiculous laws.
I don't think people do, people go to dubai to make money and might occasionally take their family along. certainly not a tourist hot spot for obvious reasons
Portugeezer
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Backwards country with a lot of money. Take away the money and look what you are left with.
Instigator
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Usually, Dubai-bashing threads attracts the Dubai Defense Force, but not so much here.
electristan
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I know, and that is bull. Pardoning someone for having pre-marital sex when they were raped is actually beyond bull.
Tricky I Shadow
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This is sickening.
gutter_trash
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I would never buy a Football shirt that is sponsored by ''Fly Emirates'' or other Dubai based company
The Australian government is always shit at supporting citizens who are in trouble overseas.
jonnyp
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There was a British woman who was jailed for several months simply for greeting a friend with a kiss on the cheek.
They are a joke of a country.
gutter_trash
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but it's okay for men to hold hands, LOL the irony
phosphor112
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Shouldn't have happened in the first place.
How about the Qatar Foundation? They're not that much different.
sleeping_dragon
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Can't wait till the day oil run out in their oils field.
andthebeatgoeson
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that's fine. they still get all of your petrol dollars.
DrForester
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I guess all that really matters is that she's out, but a pardon still sounds like "It's your fault you got raped, but we'll let you go becasue people are complaining".
Sharia law....but don't worry, you can sort yourself out with a "temporary" marriage that lasts for a few hours and alls good! As unbelievable as that sounds, that's the technical loophole i've seen used over and over again to circumvent the law.
GraveRobberX
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IT"S YOUR GODDAMN LAW!
How in the blue hell can't we paint your country this way
Just because you built a Virgin Las Vegas with towering Skyscrapers making everyone think your modern and hip, you still have all that ass backwards in you, it's just layered over with this new fancy polish
You are making a ridiculous assumption and an ass out of yourself for even trying to balance it by bringing America into this
Hey hey, Dubai is great don't blame us, look over there mechanic doesn't work here
Your goddamn country which you reside in has this as it's law, man up, don't bitch up
Same reason you shouldn't generalise anything. Why should you paint feminist protesters in Saudi Arabia with the same brush that you do it's extremist clerics? It's kinda absurd.
ConfusingJazz
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Which is horseshit.
Also, the rapist is still free.
EDIT: In fact, he was pardoned of pre marital sex.
When a country has a series of fucked up laws, it is fair game to say that country has a system of fucked up laws. Any country with a system of fucked up laws is fucked up. Therefore...
I'm not defending Dubai, just pointing out the fallacy of generalising. But let's play this silly game.
The US is a warmongering nation, at least a nuclear ton more than Dubai. Any nation that is a war warmongering nation is messed up. In fact, the US is directly involved in two invasions - in wars that are now a decade old. One of the two countries is on the brink of civil war. So the US is one of the shittiest states in the world? Well no, Dubai's laws are worse than...
Yes, the US is a shitty state. Like most of them. Get over it.
Edit: Criticism of Dubai is not really generalising since at it's most basic, a state is the laws it chooses to have. When those laws are fucked, so is the state. If someone was to say all people in Dubai are shit., that would be generalising. Calling a single state shit for having shit laws is not generalising.
Yeah, what a stupid rule. Four Muslim witnesses trump modern day law and science!
One word, folks: Theocracy.
I'm not even sure what're you arguing for [or against] now. Perhaps one of us has lost trace of the original argument.
Except you don't need 4 witnesses to get a rape conviction in Dubai. You can use traditional evidence or DNA based evidence. See the link I posted earlier. I get that horrid injustices still take place and things need to change, but when some of you guys use websites like TheBlaze as your go to source of information, I have to wonder what sort of people you are. A site that is run by right wing lunatic Glenn Beck.
And glad to see this women get pardoned. I knew she would tbh. Sure things will keep improving in Dubai as it becomes more of a global force.
A bit of rather weird news regarding this topic, courtesy of Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten:
"Marte Dalev was sentenced because she withdrew the rape charges" (Norwegian)
Aftenposten is citing a UAE newspaper claiming that after studying the paperworks of the case, there couldn't be any verdict regarding the rape as she allegedly withdrew the charges.
She actually confirms this to Aftenposten, saying being advised to do so by her former employer, who said it would be "easier that way" as it would be "very hard" to have a man convicted of rape of a woman in Dubai. Well that didn't turn out so good, and Dalev says that withdrawing the charges was her biggest mistake.
Considering all this, it seems a bit like the laws of Dubai are still fucked up w.r.t. extramarital sex and actually convicting men raping women, but this case isn't a good indicator of the latter because there actually never was any trial on rape charges. Or something like this.
"Marte Dalev was sentenced because she withdrew the rape charges" (Norwegian)
Aftenposten is citing a UAE newspaper claiming that after studying the paperworks of the case, there couldn't be any verdict regarding the rape as she allegedly withdrew the charges.
She actually confirms this to Aftenposten, saying being advised to do so by her former employer, who said it would be "easier that way" as it would be "very hard" to have a man convicted of rape of a woman in Dubai. Well that didn't turn out so good, and Dalev says that withdrawing the charges was her biggest mistake.
Considering all this, it seems a bit like the laws of Dubai are still fucked up w.r.t. extramarital sex and actually convicting men raping women, but this case isn't a good indicator of the latter because there actually never was any trial on rape charges. Or something like this.
Yeah read about this and it is really fucking bizarre. What the fuck was going through the head of her employer. Jesus christ. If this is the common advice of the region, that doesn't paint a very good picture of the system here either.
Not with Abu Dhabi calling the shots, no. Nothing has improved on the human rights front in the UAE in reality, not sure what you are trying to imply. Labor workers are still exploited, women are abused, Asians are oft treated as second class citizens, Shiaa muslims are now being targeted and expelled from the country. I can go on and on...I've seen the gross misjustices happening with my own eyes.
Devolution
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Jesus christ.
Calling a country/city shit =/= calling its people shit.
Does someone really need to go the extra mile to say "I'm sure cool people live in Dubai and the UAE but their laws are completely fucked." It's called context.
Calling a country/city shit =/= calling its people shit.
Does someone really need to go the extra mile to say "I'm sure cool people live in Dubai and the UAE but their laws are completely fucked." It's called context.
oh the irony....
Tell that to the Australian woman who spent 8 months in prison for being drugged and raped by co-workers.
It's that shitty by law which says that unproven rape charges equal sex outside marriage charges. Unbelievable Catch 22 if ever there was one.
I don't see how this will ever go away, unless Dubai changes their laws regarding sex outside marriage.
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