Of this calibre? I don't know. This is being treated as a tent-pole title by the looks of it. I guess your speaking of 3DS ports?
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The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD is $59.99 at Amazon
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Of this calibre? I don't know. This is being treated as a tent-pole title by the looks of it. I guess your speaking of 3DS ports?
EatinOlives
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You're the second person to say this. Why is saying this somehow justifying the price? I don't understand.
thecouncil
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That's nowhere NEAR a good price and that's coming from someone whose favorite game is Wind Waker.
TheBaronOfNA
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Yeah, mostly. I don't think it's much of a novelty anymore. Of this calibre, I don't know. Seems like people are saying this is something high calibre, but is there actual something saying where they've put such work into this? I'm seeing claims of the graphics being redone completely, but from the screens I've seen, it really doesn't seem something so much bigger of a jump from the good HD ports currently out there.
I can see it right on the back of the box with all the positive reviewer quotes and such:
Kotaku: "It's Zelda".
Well, no, that's not what I mean.
I mean Nintendo will decide whether it was overpriced when they learn how much they sold.
And this release of Wind Waker is somewhere between a mere high-def re-release and a remake. It's really not comparable to the Metal Gear Solid or God of War collections. As far as I know (I haven't played them), neither of those collections (a) improved the graphics beyond cranking up the resolution or (b) reworked parts of the game that were annoying or bad.
edit: I see someone pointed out that the God of War PSP games added new models and textures.
DeleteMyAccountThankyou
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Price is fine as long as it actually looks good on my tv. Some of these HD remakes have looked pretty awful... not even sure why they are called HD remakes.
ElectricKaibutsu
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I know people think it's too expensive, but $50 sounds perfectly reasonable to me, for what it is.
$10 dollars too much.
I really never got that vibe from this, I don't know man. Really doesn't feel like it's on the level of--using your example--REmake for instance to me.
I really never got that vibe from this, I don't know man. Really doesn't feel like it's on the level of--using your example--REmake for instance to me.
Oh yeah, duh with KH. They basically reversed engineered that game for the collection, put it with another PS2 title, and then edited clips from a third, and it's $39.99.
If they could get away with it, and have nice sales, then sure.
Well, checking amazon, OoT 3D still costs $32
Skyward Sword costs 50
Spirit Tracks costs 25
Phantom Hourglass costs 45 (It must be low on stock, this is weird...lol)
Nevertheless, if Zelda games have always maintained a high price without sales suffering dramatically (I assume), then why were people expecting 30 bucks? It makes no sense.
You can see it as a justification, but I'm just explaining it.
I think the idea of the Zelda defense is that they're considered THAT big of a deal and desirable that they can get away with it, and certainly this seems to be doing an update beyond most HD remasters and is fairly meaty. I actually do wonder if some (not all though!) have been kind of undervalued, I can definitely see FFX and ToS going alone and justifying it just by size/length, though those games are the only ones I'd consider at $50 ($30 or $40 would be preferable) with everything else usually something I got on sale.
Still, FFX/KH aside most seem to only run the same assets and all in HD, not being true remakes like this looking more to be, so I think the logic is sort of that you're buying a collection of ports, whereas here you're buying a remake. And a game you can't easily find at $10 or something to boot.
Still, FFX/KH aside most seem to only run the same assets and all in HD, not being true remakes like this looking more to be, so I think the logic is sort of that you're buying a collection of ports, whereas here you're buying a remake. And a game you can't easily find at $10 or something to boot.
Zombie James
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I don't understand this mentality where fans want to get milked for the good of the company. No, "they can get away with it" is not a valid reason.
Wafflecakes
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Never played WW so $10 off is free money for me. Excited for it.
Honestly, I would say its mostly coming from "Nintendo is Nintendo," but there is some legitimate value reasons too that Nintendo is adding to this release.
Interesting... I can agree with this point of view in this situation.
$50-$60 would've been fine with me if they would've included the extra dungeons taken out of the GC version and added Hero mode. Sadly they confirmed both isn't happening.
Allan Holdsworth
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When it was first announced I thought it was going to be a HD remaster line like the New Play Control thing they did on Wii, but it's being treated almost as a new release. $40 was a pipe dream. It's one of their big releases for this year on WiiU.
Looking back, OoT 3D and SF64 3D were $40, and DKCR 3D was $35 and that's 3 years old game.
Well I don't think anyone knows for sure how much effort went into this but from the amount of commitment and push it's getting from Nintendo in comparison to other developers and how they treat their own HD remakes, it looks to be a serious effort from the team. This is all 'think' and 'seems' but I guess it's one of them things.
And for what it's worth, it does actually seem to have a lot of work in it rather than it just being presented in HD. Control improvements, off TV play, upgraded graphics, Miiverse integration, gameplay enhancements. And hey people have been clamoring for WW in HD
ElectricKaibutsu
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Is Hero mode like a Master Quest? I was still holding out hope they would have added that
. DLC probably.are you implying that Wind Waker is not a good game?
dude
but yeah, $20 too much blahblahblah
Is Hero mode like a Master Quest? I was still holding out hope they would have added that
Yep, that's what Hero Mode is. It would've been a great incentive in buying the game for regular price. I would love to have a new more challenging experience as I play it in HD.
Yeah, if this looked EXACTLY the same and had the same effort seen in... well, let's be generous here and say games like MGS HD, Okami, or ZoE2 PS3 post-patch it'd definitely feel WAY overpriced, but with what we're seeing and hearing it sounds... errr, somewhat overpriced instead.Well I don't think anyone knows for sure how much effort went into this but from the amount of commitment and push it's getting from Nintendo in comparison to other developers and how they treat their own HD remakes, it looks to be a serious effort from the team. This is all 'think' and 'seems' but I guess it's one of them things.
And for what it's worth, it does actually seem to have a lot of work in it rather than it just being presented in HD. Control improvements, off TV play, upgraded graphics, Miiverse integration, gameplay enhancements. And hey people have been clamoring for WW in HD
I can't really deny that $50 is a bit much when I would think a premium update without being a comprehensive remake like Metroid: Zero Mission or Tactics Ogre should probably cap out at $40, but I'd want it enough that I'm inclined to get it at $50.
This should absolutely be $40, maximum. Square is delivering much greater value with the Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy X collections. Same kinds of changes (especially in Kingdom Hearts' case), lower price, plus there are at least two games in both collections.
Come the fuck on, Nintendo.
Come the fuck on, Nintendo.
I can see where people are coming from. Kingdom Hearts HD and Halo Anniversary are good examples of re-releases that both cost $40 and are substantially more than the original games in high-def.
For some reason, I truly expected this game to be $60, and maybe it's because I sensed there were a lot of factors that would lead Nintendo to put it in that price range. For one, the Wii U's library is pretty thin right now, and games from Nintendo themselves are in high demand. In that way, this not-quite-a-remake release of Wind Waker is a substantial part of this year's Wii U lineup, while on other consoles HD re-releases are nice treats. It's possible subconscious reasoning like that led me to expect $60. In any case, I expected $60 as soon as they announced it.
For some reason, I truly expected this game to be $60, and maybe it's because I sensed there were a lot of factors that would lead Nintendo to put it in that price range. For one, the Wii U's library is pretty thin right now, and games from Nintendo themselves are in high demand. In that way, this not-quite-a-remake release of Wind Waker is a substantial part of this year's Wii U lineup, while on other consoles HD re-releases are nice treats. It's possible subconscious reasoning like that led me to expect $60. In any case, I expected $60 as soon as they announced it.
Because you've already played Smash 4 I assume? Or is it just anger that you can't deal with your beloved Melee being buried and forgotten and replaced by a newer entry...
Wow at the Nintendo tax on this game, even $50 is too much. Probably going to pick it up anyway just because Nintendo games never drop in price. (grumble)
At least Ocarina of Time changed and added enough to the game to justify $40 in it's remake, this looks like highway robbery in comparison, especially when you consider HD Collections on other systems that include between 2 and 3 games most of the time.
At least Ocarina of Time changed and added enough to the game to justify $40 in it's remake, this looks like highway robbery in comparison, especially when you consider HD Collections on other systems that include between 2 and 3 games most of the time.
And for what it's worth, it does actually seem to have a lot of work in it rather than it just being presented in HD. Control improvements, off TV play, upgraded graphics, Miiverse integration, gameplay enhancements. And hey people have been clamoring for WW in HD
KH1.5 has the same improvements (well, minus gamepad stuff, obviously). It also comes with another game, a movie, and is $10 cheaper.
$50 for this is just embarrassing, although sadly fully expected.
Admittedly Sony policies have discouraged or outright prohibited the sort of stuff Nintendo does with their updates and re-releases. And honestly I kind of question if that's really a good thing, not that many of us would argue against getting a good value but in some cases that higher price is what it'd take to get a game re-released and to actively prohibit that can be more detrimental than beneficial to a consumer. I do imagine if SE could've done with FFX what Nintendo's doing with Wind Waker they absolutely would have. Hell, KH could be argued as a case where the handheld games are sort of justifying releasing KH1 at $40.
ViewtifulJC
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I don't have much faith in Smash 4 after the last one
As for buried and forgotten...I didn't see Brawl at EVO setting record numbers on Twitch.tv 12 years after release, did you?
pokemon firered/leafgrean
pokemon soulsilver/awfulgold
kirby: nightmare in dreamland
metroid: zero mission
super mario 64 ds
these were all full price when they came out (nintendo's 'full price' games were $30-35 back then so i don't know about zero mission or kirby, so it could have been on the lower end). if you want to look at some more there's the super mario advance games, the gbc dkc, the gba dkc games, kirby super star ultra had less graphical improvements and still came out at full price.
i guess nintendo's catching flak for this now because people don't pay attention to handheld stuff as much, and they don't usually do console remakes, but it's pretty par for the course for them.
So I take it most people here didn't watch the developer direct for this game that went up during E3?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZRTakeKTbw
From the sounds of it they are actually changing quite a few things, including some part at the end that was apparently tedious.
I have never played a Zelda so I wouldn't have minded a $60 price. $50 is nice though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZRTakeKTbw
From the sounds of it they are actually changing quite a few things, including some part at the end that was apparently tedious.
I have never played a Zelda so I wouldn't have minded a $60 price. $50 is nice though.
Velcro Fly
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SM64 DS added 30 new stars, 3 new playable characters, boss fights, mini games both to play and to unlock by collecting things. It adds a ton of content at the expense of looking and controlling worse. Doesn't even belong on the list of games that are graphical and quality of life upgrades and that's it. Come on.
What are you referring to?
Want to get milked? If I had it my way, every game would cost like 3 bucks. But obviously that doesn't work.
Economically, there's an optimal cost for products that maximizes profits. If 20 bucks is too cheap for a game, then that company misses out and they screwed themselves profit wise. If 70 bucks is too expensive for a game, then that company gets low sales and are screwed profitwise.
tl;dr?
If 50 bucks is the optimal price for WW, then ok. If not, Nintendo shot themselves in a foot and will suffer for it. I don't know about "milking", if that is a price people are okay to pay, then so be it. If not, sales will show. Yay economics.
You could make a point for the GBA ports of 2D Mario's, Yoshi's Island, and Donkey Kong Country. However, all of those remakes you listed made far far more substantial changes to the original game than Wind Waker did, especially something like Metroid: Zero Mission which is practically a brand new game that used the original Metroid as a template.
if a pokemon gold remake is on there then anything's game. it ruins it for everyone.
silver's remake is totally cool though it's just how it is.
They will not allow retail hd collections in the west if they don't have at least 2 games.