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What in Kanto Team Rocket had complete control over a city.
The anime has bad writing in every saga, but Johto was just the pitfall of fillers. It's literally the saga where everyone drifted from the anime and stopped watching.
Many people didn't even know Misty was gone until years later simply because they never watched Johto up till its end.
Many people didn't even know Misty was gone until years later simply because they never watched Johto up till its end.
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The anime has moments but at the end of the day it's well... Pokemon anime.
So did in Johto.
So did in Johto.
I made it through the whole thing but then stopped around Battle Frontier when 4kids stopped dubbing or something and the show went to Cartoon Network...and I didn't have CN back then.
out getting ribs
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I'm thinking TC is Gary Oak, someone let me know if this joke has been made already
zeopower6
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I think most people know Misty left if they're even remotely around anything with Pokemon anime references. I honestly don't think it's because of Johto being 'filler' but timeslots tended to conflict.
Back when Pokemon was on Kids WB, there were at least two or three other Saturday morning cartoon lineups all with new episodes. It was pretty hard to keep up back then compared to now where just about everything is available online.
A lot of people stopped watching after Ash left Charizard in the valley in early Johto. Misty didn't leave until 2 years later. Remember Johto took 3 full years to get through.
Many people tuned back in randomly years later and saw Misty was gone and didn't know what happened. If they didn't stop watching by early or middle Johto they would have made it up to Misty's departure episode.
It's all that walking that made him skinny.
I think there was a statement that they wanted Pikachu to have more emotion, so they made him skinnier.
zeopower6
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Pikachu looks so much better when he's thin :/ The fat Pikachu just looks odd...
You can get the free App on Android and on the App Store for your iPhone/iPad/iWhatever. It's free. The one thing I don't like about it is that it cycles through the episodes and you can't watch them at any time.
Here's a website for you to watch them, though.
Hero of Legend
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I'm glad we now have a Pokemon Anime thread, no doubt it's a big topic, I mean the damn thing is surely the longest (by episode) running animated TV show in history, even outdoing the Simpsons.
And there's no sign of it slowing down with usually one episode a week. Madness.
There are surely live-action shows that trounce Pokemon in sheer episode count, like Doctor Who and even Coronation Street (holy fuck balls my parents watched this as kids and still watched it in their final years).
Edit: 8000+ episodes for Coronation Street so far and counting!
And Doctor Who is only like around 800 episodes (with 100 missing), thought it was loads more.
Pokemon is around 800 as well, Simpsons is only at 530.
And there's no sign of it slowing down with usually one episode a week. Madness.
There are surely live-action shows that trounce Pokemon in sheer episode count, like Doctor Who and even Coronation Street (holy fuck balls my parents watched this as kids and still watched it in their final years).
Edit: 8000+ episodes for Coronation Street so far and counting!
And Doctor Who is only like around 800 episodes (with 100 missing), thought it was loads more.Pokemon is around 800 as well, Simpsons is only at 530.
Difference of number of people who watched the first and last episodes of Johto: 3.1 million
Difference in number of people who watched the first and last episodes of AG: 4.5 million
So this doesn't just devolve into another tedious and elongated back and forth; are you excited for the XY anime Cyber?
Yeah, I wish there was more discussion about it in the PokeGAF thread. In fact, you guys should head over there and liven up the place.
Does it matter? You've been in the Pokemon fandom long enough to know the Johto seasons were poorly received when they were originally airing. As I said before DP and BW's ratings are the lowest the series has ever been but it doesn't mean those sagas are bad.
As for XY anime? It's too early to say as we don't know who Ash's travel companions will be. Iris was an experiment but given she seems to be the least popular female lead of the series I think the writers will go back to the female co-star formula again they had with May/Dawn.
The anime generally functions better when the female companion has her own ongoing storyline.
Are we watching the same series? Misty didn't care about Ash losing tournaments, she left because she was getting no play
He must've made her wonder what the point of traveling with no parental supervision was in the first place
Well, if the objective is to determine which series had the worse audience retention rate of the two, I'd imagine it's absolutely the only thing that does matter.
Pokemon will never be as popular as its original run even if the writing quality suddenly skyrockets and becomes a "real" show without any repetition and gets a plot. It's simply never going to recapture that initial fad hype.
I didn't stop watching when Johto was airing, and that's probably why I have such disdain for it. I remember waiting every Saturday for something interesting to happen and all it was, was Ash helping the generic Johto filler characters while Misty/Brock stand in the background and Team Rocket does their usual routine.
There was literally nothing to get excited about when Johto was airing until the league. The only redeeming eps were a few funny Team Rocket fillers, like the Wobbufett or Flaming Moltres eps
Then that should in theory make the drop in Johto far more glaring and less gradual than it was, since Crystal actually sold very poorly to RBY and GS, moreso in line of what the other two third versions afterwards sold. That clearly isn't what happened, however, with the ratings staying reasonably close to the first episode throughout Johto's entire run.
And yes, XY will be the first time I'll start regularly watching the anime since the beginning of BW. This series felt like far too much of a retread for my tastes; I understand some elements will always be lifted from other series, but Ash was practically restarting his journey at the start of Best Wishes from what I've seen and heard of it. The tournaments were alright though, and the Charizard episode gave me the flashback that I wanted and provided for some good interaction with Dragonite.
Holy crap Tobias is a beast... yep that's how far I got (seriously just skipped everything up to it).
If they have him as the final rival I would be very, very impressed.
They definitely could retool him to be some sort of mastermind who desires to collect all the legendaries to rule the world... or something.
XY will be interesting - I can't see how beyond that they're going to have anymore Pokemon beyond this series - I don't even think it's possible to catch them all at this point without cheating. It will most likely depend on sales of the game and how well the anime does in Japan.
If they have him as the final rival I would be very, very impressed.
They definitely could retool him to be some sort of mastermind who desires to collect all the legendaries to rule the world... or something.
XY will be interesting - I can't see how beyond that they're going to have anymore Pokemon beyond this series - I don't even think it's possible to catch them all at this point without cheating. It will most likely depend on sales of the game and how well the anime does in Japan.
Yeah, the Sinnoh league absolutely had the best battles in the TV series, up there near the movies in terms of quality and animation.
I doubt the sales will be terrible enough for them not to have a pokemon game after X/Y man.
I still find it cheap how they made Tobias have a Darkrai and a Latios. They really wanted Ash to lose.
Although the battle was still awesome as Hell.
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Its actually really easy to get whatever Pokemon you want from trading communities online. Completing a national dex is just a matter of determination.
Ash made top 4 isn't it? iirc that's his best showing.
Even if we take out the amazing battles, Sinnoh had the best main girl, Dawn and the best champion, Cynthia
Ash made top 4 isn't it? iirc that's his best showing.
Even if we take out the amazing battles, Sinnoh had the best main girl, Dawn and the best champion, Cynthia
Never said it was bad. I loved this league a lot, just didn't like Tobias using Legendaries.
Yes, I agree. As much as I love May, Dawn and Cynthia were amazing.
By the way, who thinks Ash's Unova team was just ungodly rushed?
I do. It's a shame I liked that he caught other pokemon and used them a ton but I wish he would have never gotten the starters. I think his Hoenn team and to an effect his Shinnou teams were great for having limited starters so he could fill out his core team with random pokemon.
Him having all three starters just..rubs me the wrong way all the time. Only time I didnt mind it was in Kanto.
Heck I wish his Unova team was Oshawott,Unfezant,Boldore,Leavanny,Kroodile and Pikachu. Would have been a interesting team for him to have all through Unova.
Um there's need to be snarky, I'm not even sure what you're arguing here. All I said was the writers could have done a lot more with Misty's character and I'd be okay with her returning. I was never saying she was the strongest or had the best showing, but I preferred her personality compared to the female leads afterwards. It has nothing to do with nostalgia. I liked the Misty at the beginning of the series because she didn't take other people's nonsense. I really liked her tomboyish attitude and I've felt the personality of the female leads have basically been the same recycled goodie goodie act since Misty left. And sadly the writers even toned Misty down considerably towards Johto. She had a goal and yet the writers very rarely acknowledged it, even compared to Iris who had a similar goal. Iris at least felt like she was trying to get stronger even with the absence of contests. Dawn was the only lead outside Ash male or female, that I felt the writers did a good job on.
zeopower6
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Pokemon.com only has 10 episodes at a time with 5 swapping out every Thursday afternoon or so.
You have to find older episodes elsewhere. (aka on not-legal sites lol)
Also it is pretty annoying that they keep making Ash get his fire starters because someone else abandoned them. I'm glad that they let him actually catch Cyndaquil but after doing it for Chimchar and now Tepig... it got rather old. It was touching when it happened to Charmander and was a bit of a twist to have Paul release Chimchar, letting Ash catch it... but then Tepig's release was basically exactly like Charmander's.
Fennekin, please be a badass like Snivy when you encounter Ash or his traveling partner that gets you.
Well...we can't have him going and actually succeed now can we? What would the kids think? Hard work can get you to the top? Nope, because there will always be someone better than you, who will force you back to the bottom of the pyramid to start all over. Real world talk. lol
Why are you acting like these traits are exclusive to Misty? Misty didn't take no crap from others, yet neither did May/Dawn/Iris.
And "goodie goodie?" Aside from Misty's dull motherly personality in Johto, May, Dawn and Iris don't act "goodie goodie" most of the time. May had as many sarcastic moments as Misty did, and Dawn generally is known for her optimism. And Iris...yeah.
I'll never understand Misty's fans compulsive need to claim that she was the only female lead who stood up for herself. Obviously it must be a defense mechanism.
zeopower6
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I don't understand why you hate Misty so much tbh.
I don't hate Misty, that's the funny thing. Kanto/Orange Misty I like a lot. Johto Misty is a different character to me.
MasterSheen
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I did not expect this thread to get this big.
Ash made top 4 isn't it? iirc that's his best showing.
Even if we take out the amazing battles, Sinnoh had the best main girl, Dawn and the best champion, Cynthia
I agree with Cynthia but Dawn? Sorry, May is the only one for me
I agree with Cynthia but Dawn? Sorry, May is the only one for me
May's 2nd best. Your answer is acceptable. Welcome!
I just love Dawn's personality... and design...
... Mostly design.
zeopower6
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If he had Charizard during the Sinnoh League semifinals, I wonder if he'd have had a chance against Tobias....
and the best champion, Cynthia
That's probably why Cynthia continued to be a big presence in BW. I bet she'll find her way into XY too, lol.
MasterSheen
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I hope she does. She's awesome.
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If Pokemon was about the world of street art, this would be Ash.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_Through_the_Gift_Shop
Because he was in the right place, at the right time, Ash pretty much met everyone that mattered, and saw stuff that no one else did, but he is a lousy practitioner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_Through_the_Gift_Shop
Because he was in the right place, at the right time, Ash pretty much met everyone that mattered, and saw stuff that no one else did, but he is a lousy practitioner.
I don't think he's 10...If Pokemon was about the world of street art, this would be Ash.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_Through_the_Gift_Shop
Because he was in the right place, at the right time, Ash pretty much met everyone that mattered, and saw stuff that no one else did, but he is a lousy practitioner.
zeopower6
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It'll probably get moved if a mod thinks it's worth moving :/ (and honestly, anything regarding Ash is anime-related anyway)
And the new voice actors really did make things a little weird, but they've settled into their roles since late Sinnoh. In fact, a handful of old voice actors are still on the show, some under different names. I think Gary is the only character to maintain his old VA. (and Professor Oak's VA is now Professor Juniper's father's voice)
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So, I just watched the Ash vs Tobias battle. Damn, that was pretty good. Anyone wanna key me in on the best battles the series has to offer? DP or BW, please. If they have Infernape or Charizard in them, even better
EDIT: Man, Ash turned his hat backwards and everything. Hadn't seen that in a minute.
EDIT: Man, Ash turned his hat backwards and everything. Hadn't seen that in a minute.