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[Udham]

But – I still work here. And I will continue to try and answer questions as long as I can, but I can only comment on stuff that’s announced. Cool?

Ok, so since its announced that out of 8GB RAM, 3GB is reserved for 3 OSs, so I take it 1GB per OS, yes?
If so, isn't 1 GB quite high?
And lets say in future, you are able to make OS a bit more optimised, will it be possible to give this RAM back to the games?

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Where'd you hear this?

GPU I mean.

I don't know how all these specs work but PS4 has 1.8 Tflops and I read at the beginning of this thread that this would make the XB1 have 1.3Tflops.

 

[onQ123]

Where'd you hear this?

Math but he is a little off the PS4 GPU is now 40.67% more power

 

[fatgamecat]

It's a product made by a corporation, you'll get over it. No need to white knight shareholders and suits.

It would be great if you answered the question instead of making personal attacks. The name is offensive with its connotation to private parts, and it's clearly meant in a derogatory manner.

I'm getting a PS4 only, and I'm not interested in X1, but I still find the name offensive and meant to annoy people.

 

[dragonelite]

It would be great if you answered the question instead of making personal attacks. The name is offensive with its connotation to private parts, and it's clearly meant in a derogatory manner.

I'm getting a PS4 only, and I'm not interested in X1, but I still find the name offensive and meant to annoy people.

Xbone was fun at first..
Then i got lazy and typing x1 is easier..

 

[jordan0386]

Ok, so since its announced that out of 8GB RAM, 3GB is reserved for 3 OSs, so I take it 1GB per OS, yes?
If so, isn't 1 GB quite high?
And lets say in future, you are able to make OS a bit more optimised, will it be possible to give this RAM back to the games?

You want it to be as smooth as possible.

 

[Router]

How many more sparks will this mean on screen for Killer Instinct?

 

[GrizzledGrump]

53Mhz is just more chance of the RROD to happen all over again.

Not even close. Please stop.

 

[CitizenCope]

The Xbone "nickname" seems deliberately offensive. Would people be up in arms if others were calling the PS3 or PS4 a derogatory name?

I'm only getting an XboxOne at launch but I still call it an Xbone because they chose such a stupid name for it.

 

[pixlexic]

PS4 is now 39% stronger. Used to be 50%.

had did you get %50? thats kind of absurd. 1.8 to 1.2 is not %50

 

[electroshockwave]

had did you get %50? thats kind of absurd. 1.8 to 1.2 is not %50

1.2 x 150% = 1.8

Although that only refers to the Teraflops of the GPU, not the compute units or whatever else. So it's not accurate to say PS4 is x% stronger based on one figure.

 

[BrainZEROX]

Ok, so since its announced that out of 8GB RAM, 3GB is reserved for 3 OSs, so I take it 1GB per OS, yes?
If so, isn't 1 GB quite high?
And lets say in future, you are able to make OS a bit more optimised, will it be possible to give this RAM back to the games?

No, it doesn't work like that. According to this and assuming the 5/3 split is valid, 5 and 3 GB are the respective memory allocations for the game VM and the application VM. And once it's settled, I don't expect this split to change. The further we will be in the next generation, the more memory we will probably need as we will run more applications simultaneously.

The VM approach makes it difficult to earn a lot through OS optimization as any ram optimization will only be made available in its own memory space. Freeing some megabytes in the Application space won't change anything in the game space if the line between both VMs doesn't move too. It would only be more memory made available to applications.

 

[GrizzledGrump]

So, how much does this change?

Not much. What is does however, is take the downclock and yield rumors out back and shot them dead.

 

[Chittagong]

The Xbone "nickname" seems deliberately offensive. Would people be up in arms if others were calling the PS3 or PS4 a derogatory name?

nah it's because saying Xbox One every time is quite a mouthful. And calling it just One doesn't make sense either. Xbone rolls off your tongue. Kinda like how people call iPod Touch the iTouch (I hate it though, but same reason).

Xbone sounds badass too.

 

[flying dutchman]

Just out of interest, I would assume that getting a higher clock speed is an easy way to increase performance without redesigning the hardware. Now yields would be lower they say, but is there a way of knowing how worse the yields would actually be? If Sony decided to up the clock to 900mhz on the GPU, how many would be tossed compared to clocking to 800mhz?

 

[Raist]

had did you get %50? thats kind of absurd. 1.8 to 1.2 is not %50

Maths, how do they work?

X = 1.2 P = 1.8

Is P 50% more than X? Let's see.

1.2 x 50 / 100 = 0.6

1.2 + 0.6 = 1.8


Tadaaaaaa!

 

[BleachAndPepsi]

How many more sparks will this mean on screen for Killer Instinct?

All of the sparks.

 

[stryke]

had did you get %50? thats kind of absurd. 1.8 to 1.2 is not %50

Here we go again...

1.8 is 50% more than 1.2
1.2 is 33% less than 1.8

 

[GrizzledGrump]

I called the Xbox 360 "X360" or "360'". So I'm consistent when I say "XONE".

 

[Kyon]

so what are the new percentages from 33% weaker and PS4 %50 stronger?

 

[onQ123]

had did you get %50? thats kind of absurd. 1.8 to 1.2 is not %50

• 768 x 2 x 800 = 1228800 ( 1228.8 GFLOPS)
  
  
• 1152 x 2 x 800 = 1843200 ( 1843.2 GFLOPS)
  
  
  
• 1228800 + 50% = 1843200

 

[BleachAndPepsi]

It would be great if you answered the question instead of making personal attacks. The name is offensive with its connotation to private parts, and it's clearly meant in a derogatory manner.

I'm getting a PS4 only, and I'm not interested in X1, but I still find the name offensive and meant to annoy people.

If someone is honestly annoyed or angry over what someone else calls a product, perhaps that person needs to reevaluate his or her standards as to what he or she should be getting upset about.

My brother calls Walmart "Walfart." It's stupid, but I don't go shitting my pants over it and telling him to stop. I've got more important shit to worry about.

 

[strata8]

so what are the new percentages from 33% weaker and PS4 %50 stronger?

PS4 is 40% stronger.

XB1 is 29% weaker.

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

It would be great if you answered the question instead of making personal attacks. The name is offensive with its connotation to private parts, and it's clearly meant in a derogatory manner.

I'm getting a PS4 only, and I'm not interested in X1, but I still find the name offensive and meant to annoy people.

PShit4 and Xbone. Problem solved.

 

[Kyon]

PS4 is 40% stronger.

XB1 is 29% weaker.

Thanks.

Also is that even that much of an advantage for XBone? You think Sony could still do the same with PS4?

 

[JAYSIMPLE]

so out of thirds. the xbox one is like 2/3 thirds and the ps4 is 3/3 thirds.

meaning the ps4 is now a third more powerful?

 

[bronzeP]

• 768 x 2 x 800 = 1228800 ( 1228.8 GFLOPS)
  
  
• 1152 x 2 x 800 = 1843200 ( 1843.2 GFLOPS)
  
  
  
• 1228800 + 50% = 1843200

768 x 2 x 853 = 1310208 (1310.2GFLOPS) to be precise

edit: didnt read previous post, sorry

 

[Sweep14]

Thanks.

Also is that even that much of an advantage for XBone? You think Sony could still do the same with PS4?

No reason why Sony couldn't also push for 850 MHz.
Would be cool if they could push the CPU to 1.7 GHz alongside.

 

[strata8]

Thanks.

Also is that even that much of an advantage for XBone? You think Sony could still do the same with PS4?

They could, but I don't see why they would. At some point it just becomes a dick-waving contest, and they're already so far ahead in terms of GPU power. With 18 CUs a 50 MHz upclock would also increase heat output by 10W or so, a not insignificant amount when you're already dealing with ~150W like the PS4 will be.

 

[Krilekk]

Math but he is a little off the PS4 GPU is now 40.67% more power

600 % Cloud minus 40 % PS4 GPU = default win for X1.

 

[Raist]

No reason why Sony couldn't also push for 850 MHz.
Would be cool if they could push the CPU to 1.7 GHz alongside.

Cerny's gonna go "fuck that noise" and shoot for 8GHz

8 cores
8GB RAM
8GHz

The circle will be complete.

 

[stryke]

Cerny's gonna go "fuck that noise" and shoot for 8GHz

8 cores
8GB RAM
8GHz

The circle will be complete.

Hahaha, that would be one hell of a combo - 888 is a lucky number in Chinese numerology

 

[Sweep14]

Cerny's gonna go "fuck that noise" and shoot for 8GHz

8 cores
8GB RAM
8GHz

The circle will be complete.

Lol. More seriously, I'm sure that they have considered a possible push from MS. I would be surprised If they didn't reserve themselves some margin to upclock their chips if they feel it as a necessity.

 

[Mistwalker]

Thanks.

Also is that even that much of an advantage for XBone? You think Sony could still do the same with PS4?

It doesn't appreciably change the gap between the Xbone and the PS4, no.

That said, I really don't see Sony boosting their clocks in response. They have more robust hardware in a smaller envelope (what with the power brick being inside the unit) so they definitely have less thermal headroom to play with. Plus the power difference is still well in their favor, there's just no need.

 

[Kyon]

Thanks ya'll

 

[pixlexic]

Maths, how do they work?

X = 1.2 P = 1.8

Is P 50% more than X? Let's see.

1.2 x 50 / 100 = 0.6

1.2 + 0.6 = 1.8


Tadaaaaaa!

you ignore the 1 because they are both the same which is your standard, so 1 = 100% and find the percentage from 2 to 8.
which is %20.

difference : 8 - 2 = 6;
average: ( 8 + 2) / 2 = 5;

percentage : 5 to 6 = %20

 

[DBT85]

My head.

 

[Canis lupus]

A 50mhz increase on PS4 gpu would make it close to 2TFLOPs, but everyone already assumes a PS4 upgrade(pre/post launch) is less likely due to heat issues cause of the smaller size. I disagree with the notion that something smaller is likely to make more noise and run hotter. One just has to compare PS3 fat with slim models. The PS4 will be fine and we will see similar upgrades.

 

[stryke]

you ignore the 1 because they are both the same which is your standard, so 1 = 100% and find the percentage from 2 to 8.
which is %20.

difference : 8 - 2 = 6;
average: ( 8 + 2) / 2 = 5;

percentage : 5 to 6 = %20

I feel like I'm being trolled.

 

[DBT85]

I feel like I'm being trolled.

That or my govt are taking much more than the tax rate they claim.

 

[Kleegamefan]

you ignore the 1 because they are both the same which is your standard, so 1 = 100% and find the percentage from 2 to 8.
which is %20.

difference : 8 - 2 = 6;
average: ( 8 + 2) / 2 = 5;

percentage : 5 to 6 = %20

you cant be serious

 

[badb0y]

you ignore the 1 because they are both the same which is your standard, so 1 = 100% and find the percentage from 2 to 8.
which is %20.

difference : 8 - 2 = 6;
average: ( 8 + 2) / 2 = 5;

percentage : 5 to 6 = %20

OMFG :LOL

 

[Can Crusher]

you ignore the 1 because they are both the same which is your standard, so 1 = 100% and find the percentage from 2 to 8.
which is %20.

difference : 8 - 2 = 6;
average: ( 8 + 2) / 2 = 5;

percentage : 5 to 6 = %20

 

[nitrofeen]

OMG a whole 53mhz. Just enough to make the news but not enough to scare people into worrying about rrod all over again.
I still dont get why if they claim the 40% or 50% more raw power the ps4 has is really not going to amount to much , then why strive to close the gap as little as 5% or whatever it is.

Also not sure why this proves the yield rumor false. One thing to remember is microsoft delayed asia launch by a full year. Japan isnt getting the xbox one at launch either.

These policies could be a direct result of yield issues

 

[Arkham]

you ignore the 1 because they are both the same which is your standard, so 1 = 100% and find the percentage from 2 to 8.
which is %20.

difference : 8 - 2 = 6;
average: ( 8 + 2) / 2 = 5;

percentage : 5 to 6 = %20

Oh, yeah, that's exactly right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU5LoCLGMdQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

you ignore the 1 because they are both the same which is your standard, so 1 = 100% and find the percentage from 2 to 8.
which is %20.

difference : 8 - 2 = 6;
average: ( 8 + 2) / 2 = 5;

percentage : 5 to 6 = %20

I refuse to believe this is not a troll post.

 

[pixlexic]

I feel like I'm being trolled.

ok lets say we are just looking for the percentage change. Which is what you guys are looking at.

the difference of 1.2 and 1.8 is 0.6

its %50

edit: changed didn't finish .

 

[badb0y]

ok lets say we are just looking for the percentage change. Which is what you guys are looking at.

the difference of 1.2 and 1.8 is 0.6

its %33.3

1.8 is 50% more than 1.2
1.2 is 33% less than 1.8

It's the same shit.

 

[George Claw M.D.]

you ignore the 1 because they are both the same which is your standard, so 1 = 100% and find the percentage from 2 to 8.
which is %20.

difference : 8 - 2 = 6;
average: ( 8 + 2) / 2 = 5;

percentage : 5 to 6 = %20

Admit it. You're so desperate for a tag, that you'll even take a negative one. After seeing Bish hand out that #deadwrong tag recently, you're trying to get one yourself.

 

[onQ123]

Every Damn Time!


SMH LOL