DXLelouch153
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customers are the only reason you exist dumbass
I was referring to having physical copies of their games. MS also had some trade-in program looming. But yeah if you were a big renter for example you'd be screwed.
They wouldn't have been getting screwed over then, either.
Who?
Retailers would have been selling PHYSICAL copies of the games, not digital. I don't understand how this is difficult to grasp. They would have been selling a game case + disc + manual, just like it's always been, just like retail PC games. I feel weird defending MS like this but the no competition bullet-point is just stupid.
don't be an ass, look the guy up.
If there are no convincing arguments why your horrible system is supposed to be a good thing, it's always easier to point to something else that has flaws as well and expect people to like your system similar to the other one even though yours isn't really comparable.So here's a question. Why is it that everyone compares themselves to Valve and/or Steam everytime they want to enforce some shady practice? A few months ago we had cliffyb say that Valve and EA are basically the same except Valve has better PR, now this guy (among others) says that the canned Xbox system was "just like Steam".
Both me and Brad Pitt have two arms, two legs and a penis. That doesn't mean that I'm "just like Brad Pitt".
Thanks, the video is interesting.I was looking around for a timeline but couldn't find anything good. Found a youtube link. There was some pretty nasty stuff even in the 90s but it was on a game by game basis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjEbpMgiL7U
Does appear that the ubiquitous use of bad DRM didn't occur till later like you say.
No, the disc is nothing more than a install disc. It's completely useless outside of initial use to install the game.
It's wasn't required to play the game and it wasn't able to play the game on another system without repaying for a full license.
People are still comparing Xbox One to steam ? That was stupid 4 month ago, it's still so stupid god how can you pretend be in this industry and not understand it
Look at how they handled their digital offering on the 360. Hardly any sales, high prices etc.. It would have been the same on the Xbox One. It still will be for those that go digital only.
This is the first time I've heard the sour grapes side of that. "Fuck those guys, they didn't want what they were supposed to want".
Really?
Basically, Microsoft said, 'We're going to be Steam. You like Steam, don't you?' And we all said, 'No, we hate that. We hate you. You're an idiot to do that.'
Again, this doesn't matter because there's a ton of other places you can buy games which all compete with one another (brick & mortar stores and Amazon). MS could have their digital games at full price, MSRP, forever, for eternity, and it wouldn't matter because the consumer has a litany of other options to purchase their games from, who all compete with one another.
The funniest thing about it all is how upset everyone got. They were talking about having a choice and how much they wanted a choice, when really, they always did. You have the choice to buy a product or not buy a product. I don't go into Android threads and complain it doesn't have iOS on it. A product is what it is. If you don't want it, than don't buy it.
So what do you use steam on? Your fingers? You need some kind of computer that cost money which can cost between $300 to $1000+. XBONE is always $500.
It is more Live $60 vs Steam $0
This has NOTHING to do with what we were talking about. Please read the entire exchange. It's about competition, pricing, deals, etc. I'm aware of the fact that they would just be install discs like a retail PC game.
Jesse Schell has somehow forgotten consumer electronics are for consumers.
Jesse Schell knows history and that most of the time, consumers don't know what the hell they want until you give it to them.
And some people will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future. Thankfully, these people are an insignificant minority (albeit loud).
Jesse Schell knows history and that most of the time, consumers don't know what the hell they want until you give it to them.
And some people will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future. Thankfully, these people are an insignificant minority (albeit loud).
The non hardcore would have been the majority of customers getting screwed over.
These are the people who lend out games, rent games, and trade in games the most.
The funniest thing about it all is how upset everyone got. They were talking about having a choice and how much they wanted a choice, when really, they always did. You have the choice to buy a product or not buy a product. I don't go into Android threads and complain it doesn't have iOS on it. A product is what it is. If you don't want it, than don't buy it.
Does Steam make you pay for online
Does steam require a mandatory component that's absolutely useless
Jesse Schell knows history and that most of the time, consumers don't know what the hell they want until you give it to them.
And some people will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future. Thankfully, these people are an insignificant minority (albeit loud).
The quote has been proven to be true over and over again, year after year.I disagree with a lot in the article, but this quote is so fucking true: ""The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'"
I referenced the myriad of major retail "brick & mortar stores" right there in the first sentence, and in posts on the last page, not digital.Not digitally they don't nor will they. This isn't going to be like Steam vs Amazon vs GMG vs Origin vs GameFly.
How would they be keeping prices high? You're making these statements but I don't see any reasoning behind them. How would getting rid of the second hand free market keep prices of new games high? What's the logic behind that? (not being antagonizing, genuine question)Xbox one DRM would have had a huge effect on kepping physical prices high, regardless of what MS priced their games online.
The disc is basically useless after first use. Getting rid of the second hand free market will keep prices high and at the same time take away the amount of cash customers can spend on new games.
Having a closed second hand market will allow select retailers to keep prices artificially high since there is less competition.
But they were never going to be like Steam. The point of Steam is that it has competitors who force it to have Steam Sales.
On a closed system console, there are no competitors. Thus, there will be no sales on that scale.
That's a terrible comparison.
Jesse Schell knows history and that most of the time, consumers don't know what the hell they want until you give it to them.
And some people will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future. Thankfully, these people are an insignificant minority (albeit loud).
So Microsoft Stuidios, EA and Ubisoft are not competing with each other for sales?
Good to know.
I think MS changed its tune on the Xbox One because of poor pre-order numbers not consumer outcry.
No, they're not, because neither the 360 nor the XBox One has a UPlay or Origin Store right next to the XBox Live Marketplace with its own policies and sales.
MS tried to force the future on a customer that wasn't ready for it. If they truly believed in a digital only future. Put out the box that does both, and wait for digital sales to take over. They were just impatient. The transition was never going to happen over night like they wanted it to.
So because EA has to sell games via the Xbox Live Marketplace there is no competition with other publishers?
Their policy was stupid and should have been changed. I was talking in general terms.Can't have been that insignificant if Microsoft changed their policies
I was looking around for a timeline but couldn't find anything good. Found a youtube link. There was some pretty nasty stuff even in the 90s but it was on a game by game basis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjEbpMgiL7U
Does appear that the ubiquitous use of bad DRM didn't occur till later like you say.
I think a follow up question to this is when will it happen? Was it the policies that sucked and if implemented well will it then be accepted by everyone?