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Only 5 countries will have full Xbone voice commands at launch [Update in OP]
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Who fucking cares. Stop feeding that guy.....
No se llama Xbox Juan? :-(
By the way, German accents are also very diverse, so I still don't get the Switzerland thing.
maplelord93
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no, am using common sense? seems everyone is jumping to conclusions rather quickly.
We get that. But if the hardware MS claims is integral to the xbo and must ship with it is only going to work properly for 5 out of 13 launch countries due to localization issues, what "other things" under the same localization category could possibly be big enough to justify delay elsewhere?
CassidyIzABeast
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Hell if I know, ask Albert when he comes around. I just grouped the launch countries based on what languages they predominantly speak. Its not like you're going to have full on conversations with the thing. Xbox On, Xbox Off, and Xbox open Skype should work in all those countries if they work in one or more countries that have the same language.
Pound_lb003
Member
Calling Albert Penello for a rebuttal.
I don't even know what I'd do at MS to change the tide in their favour. But it was the exact same for Sony last generation. Once you've made too many mistakes, you don't have the credit anymore.
I don't even know what I'd do at MS to change the tide in their favour. But it was the exact same for Sony last generation. Once you've made too many mistakes, you don't have the credit anymore.
IISANDERII
Member
My mind is blown just wondering how those names came to be.
anexanhume
Member
So if they're not launching in those countries with voice commands, what exactly was missing in the other 8 they were previously going to launch in? Surely simple text wasn't their issue...
Doomshroom
Member
1. Ctrl + C Kinect Localization files
2. Open kinect 2 folder
3. Ctrl + V
Maybe i should get a job at Microsoft?
2. Open kinect 2 folder
3. Ctrl + V
Maybe i should get a job at Microsoft?
eso76
Member
MS, you really really really have to thank Dan Greenawalt and the guys over at T10.
Not just thank them, you have to cover them in money and kiss their feet and kneel down and suck their collective cock if you end up selling a few of those overpriced, large pieces of plastic.
I've never seen a console being conceived with so many planning and design mistakes, it's incredible.
And i'm still buying one.
Not just thank them, you have to cover them in money and kiss their feet and kneel down and suck their collective cock if you end up selling a few of those overpriced, large pieces of plastic.
I've never seen a console being conceived with so many planning and design mistakes, it's incredible.
And i'm still buying one.
bigbaldwolf86
Banned
I see MS are helping their case with the Xbox One yet again. 21 countries to 13 but only 5 will be able to use the magical kinect in the way it's been shown. Just brilliant
CassidyIzABeast
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Delusibeta
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Sticking to Microsoft's previous PR statement, judging from his Twitter. Thus, official and final confirmation that the localisation excuse is bullshit.
Not even that many, because they don't even support all the languages spoken in the US yet. So they shouldn't even launch in the US. (Kidding)
English is not the national language of the US. It is the most widely spoken, but not the national language.
Localization and "countries supported" should not be tied together as if they're one thing like MS is trying to claim.
They are releasing in a set number of countries due to number of consoles, bottom line. LANGUAGE and not nations are what is localized. They're already skipping countries that prodominantly speak English so their excuses are already on shaky ground, and they don't even support all the languages spoken in the US, therefore "localization" is simply another word for language support and Microsoft is trying to lump that into country support.
It works for a place like Japan who pretty much just speaks Japanese, but for Europe where English is taught to most people as a second language, the "country not supported due to language" is utter BS.
No more unfair than:
The reality is that all console makers tend to bone smaller markets, particularly at launch. Some markets are so small they never get reasonable service.
You know what's weird about that. It says Voice Recognition is set based on country selected. Can an English speaker in Italy still talk to their Kinect in English?
It says you select your language first, then it filters your available countries down from there. So if someone in the US speaks Italian, will they be able to while having their locale set to US?
This is a trick.... as there is no national language for the United States.
Pound_lb003
Member
The point is... They're not dissuading imports. That is the point at which you have to at least acknowledge there's a little bullshit.
If they're fit for function, with correct launguages (which there clearly is for some of the Tier 3 launches) then even if they aren't having production problems now, they don't have enough to make launching in those countries worthwhile.
Hell, their console is getting a Day One patch to sort out all the 'not just a switch flip' DRM nonsense. Why could they not sell the consoles everywhere (to stay competitive) and then patch in these obviously minor localisation issues.
If they're fit for function, with correct launguages (which there clearly is for some of the Tier 3 launches) then even if they aren't having production problems now, they don't have enough to make launching in those countries worthwhile.
Hell, their console is getting a Day One patch to sort out all the 'not just a switch flip' DRM nonsense. Why could they not sell the consoles everywhere (to stay competitive) and then patch in these obviously minor localisation issues.
That says planned to me.
Planned.
Latvian Hitman
Member
So they wanted us to believe that dropping from 21 to 13 launch territories was due to localization issues with Kinect and voice features, and now we find out they're only going to have said features in 5 of those 13 launch territories?
K.
Whatever he thinks MS would want him to say, probably.
K.
Whatever he thinks MS would want him to say, probably.
Quadraphonic
Member
I wonder if this is also the reason why the Kinect isn't required anymore.
BruceWayneIII
Member
I have a feeling Microsoft's launch troubles might just be a simple combination of several issues of varying degrees:
1. Some kind of supply issues (yield, lack of components or other issues).
2. Kinect - not enough supported languages.
3. Lack of TV deals in those 8 countries.
4. Surprised by Sony's early reveal and the console itself (RAM).
They bet the farm on Kinect, always online, voice and TV services in one box, and now they are in an extreme hurry to fix things. They don't have one issue, they might have several. At least that's how I interpret their actions and messages.
1. Some kind of supply issues (yield, lack of components or other issues).
2. Kinect - not enough supported languages.
3. Lack of TV deals in those 8 countries.
4. Surprised by Sony's early reveal and the console itself (RAM).
They bet the farm on Kinect, always online, voice and TV services in one box, and now they are in an extreme hurry to fix things. They don't have one issue, they might have several. At least that's how I interpret their actions and messages.
It's really not credible that local Live and the marketplace require any extra resources above those that already exist for Live in those regions.
And my understanding is that several Tier 1 countries are launching without any localised apps.
Yeah which begs the question, according to that document scan, you select language first, then it filters down available countries. Since the US has no national language and is a melting pot, will the US be removed via the filter when other languages are selected first? The required pairing between language and nation with filters set up seems weird to me.
The difference here is that you can sign up for a PSN account for another country and make purchases there. While MS restricts it to "credit card must be from locale set in dash".
I'm really struggling with the whole localization claim. What is so different from current Live, 360 and Kinect 1 voice recognition software that this is proving so hard?
Surely whatever they have for VO for Kinect will be fine for Kinect 2.0. The languages haven't changed, etc. and while I could understand they need to get the VO to handle more or different commands I'm struggling to imagine it's that big a problem.
Is Live for XB1 really changing that much for territories that already have Live?
And while the UI will be new that's text and layout stuff - easy peasy and something MS should be able to knock off in no time.
Still just ring true to me.
What I could believe is that unpicking the previous DRM, etc. programs is proving time consuming (day one FM update after all) and that they've only got a few countries ready to adapt in time and are classing that as "localization". Now that I could believe (or availability issues but there's other threads for that).
Surely whatever they have for VO for Kinect will be fine for Kinect 2.0. The languages haven't changed, etc. and while I could understand they need to get the VO to handle more or different commands I'm struggling to imagine it's that big a problem.
Is Live for XB1 really changing that much for territories that already have Live?
And while the UI will be new that's text and layout stuff - easy peasy and something MS should be able to knock off in no time.
Still just ring true to me.
What I could believe is that unpicking the previous DRM, etc. programs is proving time consuming (day one FM update after all) and that they've only got a few countries ready to adapt in time and are classing that as "localization". Now that I could believe (or availability issues but there's other threads for that).
cripterion
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Coulomb_Barrier
Member
I think it all stems from the first issue on your list.
As they still could have released the XBO in several more countries and just announced that full Kinect and voice features were incoming shortly after launch.
I think they are struggling to manufacture enough units so they have had to focus shipments to 'tier 1' countries in order to lessen the damage taken by the PS4's early and comprehensive release.
PodcastFips
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Nah, not really. In Germany, all the younger generations don't speak with a lot of accent anymore, so that should not be a problem. And german speaking swiss people are very capable of speaking accent-free german if they want to.
Often the difference can only be heard if it comes to certain words, which should not play a big role when using the Kinect voice commands.
"Xbox an"
"Xbox öffne xxx"
...and so on.
Yah no spanish is not very good at all. Especially in the US.
...well in Mexico and Spain I guess too. :X
Except we don't know if that's true anymore with the XB1. They've said people can buy from regions outside their own this time around.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Don't worry, it officially says UK but it wont work in Scotland. Getting shit to work on Kinect v1.0 with a thick Scottish accent is truly hit or miss.
Seeing how many more commands v2.0 uses, I can see it being a lot worse.
Sapphire Dreams
Member
I thought Microsoft is a large enough corporation to support such things...
Pound_lb003
Member
Do you mean corporation?
But it's still on their FAQ info:
Read the part about the user experience in a non-launch country.
And I'm still REALLY curious about this filter that is set based on language. Once you select a language that you speak, locales available to you will go down. So if I'm a German living in the United States and I select German as my language, is the United States still available for me to select as my locale?
everything said about this seems like you won't be able to. One can only hope they allow you to force the selection of a language of your choosing regardless of your country of residence.
On thing is for sure though, English should be available in any country as an option, and it seems it's not.
It works in the US if you speak English. If you speak French and you live in the US, which does NOT have a national language, is the US still available as a locale for that person?
Void?
It is true that this does not follow logic regarding nationalities attached to languages and raises questions towards dialects and accents as well. It also gives the impression that the launch is being rushed in order to remain competitive with Sony. I was wondering since the initial rumblings of fab issues with the system if the launch would be a hard, soft, or paper launch. It seems that it is a soft launch leaning towards paper in terms of functionality.
Also, the USA as a whole may not have a standardized language recognized as official the individual states and territories may have mandated English in addition to other languages as "official". There is logic involved in making such standards moving towards an "equal" playing field for all within the borders, while at the same time not making the next step to outlawing other languages (which is needed to not occur in order to avoid future problems). The counter argument of course relates to the (intentional?) removal of culture over time as a byproduct of such actions.
The company being based out of Washington and the state does not have this standardization in place, which I find interesting.
Well, that's really dopey, then.
I speak English.
Why do people care about purchase decisions other than their own??... console wars??
cripterion
Member
Yeah some clarification would be good. I live in France but rather use the voice commands in English.
Why do people continue to come into a thread with nonsense like "this doesn't affect me, therefore it's no big deal?" Console wars?
I'm not concerned with purchasing decisions. Where do you see that? I'm concerned with overall functionality and limitations imposed on consumers because I want everyone to have an enjoyable experience without insane frustration. Discussion leads to action, hence the 180 to begin with which I applaud because it is better for gamers in general, the military, etc.
Whiteshirt
Member
Because its legitimately interesting? And I have no idea what the hell is going to happen in Australia considering we speaker English and the damned thing doesn't even work for us.
Got Mine, Fuck You have been the Xbox One's defense since forever. Was this the same when Sony launched the obscenely priced PS3?
Got Mine, Fuck You have been the Xbox One's defense since forever. Was this the same when Sony launched the obscenely priced PS3?
this is a thread about xbox one localization, not about you, 12 other countries are on the xbox one release list and they are getting a gimped experience, not to mention what it seems to be a limitation in their locale settings based on the country they live in.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Ahhh, the good old "I got mine, screw everyone else" stance. Haven't seen this since E3.
But OT: I can't wait for the Xbox One to release in all 13 countries with very limited "apps, and services" that all the apologists keep harping on, as the real reason for the 8 country delay. But by that time, the goal posts probably would have already been moved.