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Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 2 - The Final Eight Episodes - Sundays on AMC

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maharg

idspispopd
So he was convinced that Walt was going to kill him no matter what?

Someone locks you with a bike lock around your neck to a pipe in their basement, gives you a bucket to shit in, and pleads with you to explain why he shouldn't kill you.

What would you think?

Btw, he wasn't 'undercover' he was an informant. And he was using the DEA to eliminate rivals.
 

foxtrot3d

Banned
So he was convinced that Walt was going to kill him no matter what?

Nah, I think the whole point was that Emilio was going to kill Walter regardless of what he did. Emilio was a rat for the DEA, he was only using them to his benefit. He was still a upper level drug dealer and no matter what he would have to kill Walt for trying to cut in on his business, for killing Krazy 8, and attempting to kill him.

I love that episode due to the hilarious part where Walter writes down a list of reasons as to whether or not kill Emilio. And, of course the don't kill part is long and has things like "It's wrong." Whereas the reasons for killing him is simply "He will kill you and your entire family."

Simple comedy gold.
 

maharg

idspispopd
Nah, I think the whole point was that Emilio was going to kill Walter regardless of what he did. Emilio was a rat for the DEA, he was only using them to his benefit. He was still a upper level drug dealer and no matter what he would have to kill Walt for trying to cut in on his business, for killing Krazy 8, and attempting to kill him.

I love that episode due to the hilarious part where Walter writes down a list of reasons as to whether or not kill Emilio. And, of course the don't kill part is long and has things like "It's wrong." Whereas the reasons for killing him is simply "He will kill you and your entire family."

Simple comedy gold.

Psst. Emilio died in the RV. Krazy 8 was the one in the basement, and also the informant.
 

Card Boy

Banned
I'm up to Ep 11 of this season and i want Walter to die already, i've never seen a more pride hungry character on TV. I think Gomie and Hank might get married the way things are going.
 
If Walt Jr. had an Instagram account: http://www.buzzfeed.com/jenlewis/if-walter-jr-from-breaking-bad-had-instagram

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inm8num2

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My excitement is now spread across multiple shows like Sons of Anarchy, Boardwalk Empire, and Dexter (just kidding about that last one), so it eases the pain of waiting for BrBa.
 
Well here how my tv show week going to be by next week:

Monday:
Siberia

Tuesday:
Suits
SoA

Thursday:
Graceland finales

Friday:
Strike Back

Sunday:
Breaking Bad
Boardwalk Empire

Should be a fun week
 
I've started watching the show from the beginning and my disliking of Skyler has increased significantly. There is an episode of Season 2 where Walt is trying to make Skyler feel at ease about a 2nd cellphone. He's is lying of course, but up to that point of the show I believe Walter still has good intentions for her not to know - he's trying to protect her and his family. All she knows at that point is that Walt has Cancer, and he likes to spend time by himself. She has some suspicions about the cellphone, but she knows nothing else.

However, I just can't see how she makes the leap of logic to punish Walt, given that from her perspective Walt recently went missing, and doesn't remember what happened to him. If I was her, the only thing on my mind would be that my husband is going crazy. But how does she react? Not by being understanding, but by acting up, by leaving the house without telling Walt, by being in a "bitchy" behavior all the time. Walt has Cancer - that's his excuse. What is hers? Maybe it's just me, but when I have a problem I focus in resolving that problem, instead of creating more conflict that will lead to more problems.

Then to top it all, Walter gives in and tells Skyler his is sorry for whatever reason she has to be mad at him. He makes a concerned effort to find out why she is pissed off. But she decides to create more conflict.
 

breakfuss

Member
I don't enjoy watching the show in this manner as much as I do Netflix binging. Don't think I'd be torturing myself like this if not for fear of having it spoiled.

I've started watching the show from the beginning and my disliking of Skyler has increased significantly. There is an episode of Season 2 where Walt is trying to make Skyler feel at ease about a 2nd cellphone. He's is lying of course, but up to that point of the show I believe Walter still has good intentions for her not to know - he's trying to protect her and his family. All she knows at that point is that Walt has Cancer, and he likes to spend time by himself. She has some suspicions about the cellphone, but she knows nothing else.

However, I just can't see how she makes the leap of logic to punish Walt, given that from her perspective Walt recently went missing, and doesn't remember what happened to him. If I was her, the only thing on my mind would be that my husband is going crazy. But how does she react? Not by being understanding, but by acting up, by leaving the house without telling Walt, by being in a "bitchy" behavior all the time. Walt has Cancer - that's his excuse. What is hers? Maybe it's just me, but when I have a problem I focus in resolving that problem, instead of creating more conflict that will lead to more problems.

Then to top it all, Walter gives in and tells Skyler his is sorry for whatever reason she has to be mad at him. He makes a concerned effort to find out why she is pissed off. But she decides to create more conflict.

No, you're right. She's a b#tch with no redeeming qualities. It only gets worse.
 

Batigol

Banned
I've started watching the show from the beginning and my disliking of Skyler has increased significantly. There is an episode of Season 2 where Walt is trying to make Skyler feel at ease about a 2nd cellphone. He's is lying of course, but up to that point of the show I believe Walter still has good intentions for her not to know - he's trying to protect her and his family. All she knows at that point is that Walt has Cancer, and he likes to spend time by himself. She has some suspicions about the cellphone, but she knows nothing else.

However, I just can't see how she makes the leap of logic to punish Walt, given that from her perspective Walt recently went missing, and doesn't remember what happened to him. If I was her, the only thing on my mind would be that my husband is going crazy. But how does she react? Not by being understanding, but by acting up, by leaving the house without telling Walt, by being in a "bitchy" behavior all the time. Walt has Cancer - that's his excuse. What is hers? Maybe it's just me, but when I have a problem I focus in resolving that problem, instead of creating more conflict that will lead to more problems.

Then to top it all, Walter gives in and tells Skyler his is sorry for whatever reason she has to be mad at him. He makes a concerned effort to find out why she is pissed off. But she decides to create more conflict.

She gets worse. Be prepared
 
I've started watching the show from the beginning and my disliking of Skyler has increased significantly. There is an episode of Season 2 where Walt is trying to make Skyler feel at ease about a 2nd cellphone. He's is lying of course, but up to that point of the show I believe Walter still has good intentions for her not to know - he's trying to protect her and his family. All she knows at that point is that Walt has Cancer, and he likes to spend time by himself. She has some suspicions about the cellphone, but she knows nothing else.

However, I just can't see how she makes the leap of logic to punish Walt, given that from her perspective Walt recently went missing, and doesn't remember what happened to him. If I was her, the only thing on my mind would be that my husband is going crazy. But how does she react? Not by being understanding, but by acting up, by leaving the house without telling Walt, by being in a "bitchy" behavior all the time. Walt has Cancer - that's his excuse. What is hers? Maybe it's just me, but when I have a problem I focus in resolving that problem, instead of creating more conflict that will lead to more problems.

Then to top it all, Walter gives in and tells Skyler his is sorry for whatever reason she has to be mad at him. He makes a concerned effort to find out why she is pissed off. But she decides to create more conflict.

she an awful character in the first two season
 
Okay, look at things from her perspective. She's not stupid. She knows he's obviously lying to her and hiding something. Do you expect her to just accept this?

I get this, and I have read a lot of comments of the people that support Skyler share the same view. No I don't expect her to accept if she knew the truth. But the show up to the episode hasn't done a good job backing up her case. If this is how she responds whenever there is trouble at home, I just don't see how that marriage has lasted as long as it did. That's why I mentioned that Walt has an excuse, Cancer. The man might die. If he wants to be alone, let him be alone.


The only possible argument I can think of for her case is that Walt has been so obvious in his lying that she knows the magnitude of how bad are the things he's done.
 
I thought Skyler's response in that episode was perfect. Walt is an egomaniac who didn't understand how disappearing would affect anyone else so Skyler was trying to demonstrate how physical and emotional distance felt.

I wish Sky had stayed more like that instead of what she is now :(
 

Scrooged

Totally wronger about Nintendo's business decisions.
Walt was lying to Skyler at every turn. She knew something was up and whenever she tried to talk to him about it, he only lied more and came off even more odd and untrustworthy. When you've been with someone for years you kinda know when they're hiding stuff from you.

She may have acted bitchy but I don't see how it's unjustified.
 

Stat Flow

He gonna cry in the car
I've started watching the show from the beginning and my disliking of Skyler has increased significantly. There is an episode of Season 2 where Walt is trying to make Skyler feel at ease about a 2nd cellphone. He's is lying of course, but up to that point of the show I believe Walter still has good intentions for her not to know - he's trying to protect her and his family. All she knows at that point is that Walt has Cancer, and he likes to spend time by himself. She has some suspicions about the cellphone, but she knows nothing else.

However, I just can't see how she makes the leap of logic to punish Walt, given that from her perspective Walt recently went missing, and doesn't remember what happened to him. If I was her, the only thing on my mind would be that my husband is going crazy. But how does she react? Not by being understanding, but by acting up, by leaving the house without telling Walt, by being in a "bitchy" behavior all the time. Walt has Cancer - that's his excuse. What is hers? Maybe it's just me, but when I have a problem I focus in resolving that problem, instead of creating more conflict that will lead to more problems.

Then to top it all, Walter gives in and tells Skyler his is sorry for whatever reason she has to be mad at him. He makes a concerned effort to find out why she is pissed off. But she decides to create more conflict.
SkySky sucks.

She gets worse.

But then she gets slightly better
<- (Not a story spoiler)
 
I've started watching the show from the beginning and my disliking of Skyler has increased significantly. There is an episode of Season 2 where Walt is trying to make Skyler feel at ease about a 2nd cellphone. He's is lying of course, but up to that point of the show I believe Walter still has good intentions for her not to know - he's trying to protect her and his family. All she knows at that point is that Walt has Cancer, and he likes to spend time by himself. She has some suspicions about the cellphone, but she knows nothing else.

However, I just can't see how she makes the leap of logic to punish Walt, given that from her perspective Walt recently went missing, and doesn't remember what happened to him. If I was her, the only thing on my mind would be that my husband is going crazy. But how does she react? Not by being understanding, but by acting up, by leaving the house without telling Walt, by being in a "bitchy" behavior all the time. Walt has Cancer - that's his excuse. What is hers? Maybe it's just me, but when I have a problem I focus in resolving that problem, instead of creating more conflict that will lead to more problems.

Then to top it all, Walter gives in and tells Skyler his is sorry for whatever reason she has to be mad at him. He makes a concerned effort to find out why she is pissed off. But she decides to create more conflict.

*no spoilers for anything up to, and including, "Down"
Prior to the show, her relationship with Walter was presumably one where she was the dominant figure in the relationship, both of them quite open to the other. After the show begins, in the very first episode, three weeks pass in which Walter is rarely home, barely communicates, and when he does he gives her extremely flimsy excuses which she sees through. At the very end of the pilot she says:
"Walt, I don't know what's been going on with you lately but, whatever it is, I'll tell you this, I do not like it when you don't talk to me. The worst thing you can do is shut me out."
This is something that, for the entirety of the season(s), Walter does. His lies are incredibly transparent early on (when Jesse calls in the second episode for example, Walter's lie is blatant; this occurs after three weeks of barely any communication with Skyler being absent from his house at a plethora of times, something she has already picked up on) and she is not a fool, she can see through his lies (she cannot see the truth, but she doesn't believe everything he says without question).

Walter has cancer, and he claims to enjoy spending time alone, but this doesn't excuse his behaviour. From her perspective, he is gone from the house at all hours, without any sort of reason or explanation where he was gone, completely unwilling to talk about what he was doing except in the vaguest terms using flimsy lies; coinciding with a drastic change in activity and behaviour which he 'shuts her out' from, he isn't willing to communicate about how he is feeling or what he is doing in the slightest. Walter having a good or bad intention for not letting her know is irrelevant. Skyler isn't a mind reader and it's ridiculous to expect her to know if his intentions are good or bad (although I would completely disagree that not letting her know is a good thing in the first place but, again, this is irrelevant to Skyler). Skyler has already openly discussed how she strongly dislikes being shut out and how she wants to be included in Walter's feelings, but he resists her at every single turn and she isn't stupid enough to fall for every one of his excuses. She does in fact back off after "A Crazy Handul of Nothin'" (where he mentions that he likes to be alone), but after "Grilled" she sees right through it (we know she backs off as after Walter attempts to rape her she references his feelings with regard to the cancer as the reason).

At "Grilled", Skyler doesn't suspect he has a second mobile phone, she knows he does. Hank outright says there's no record of the phone call, to which he says "he must have a second phone". Skyler wonders why, and Hank replies that it means "Walt has a secret". As if that wasn't enough, Marie rightfully comments that "he kept cancer from you, for weeks". As she asks Walter about it, he makes excuses, and lies, which she she easily sees through. She absolutely knows he is hiding something from her, and that he is shutting her out, she just doesn't know what it is, which she wants to know. On top of that, he is demeaning to her in his excuses and lying to her as if she is a fool. Walter did go missing, but there wasn't any actual reason why he went missing, or why he wouldn't remember. He had put her through considerable worry (which we saw, and he saw) during the disappearance, acting extremely odd beforehand, and she knew that his medication had nothing to do with it. Perhaps you would openly accept that somebody is in considerable distress, gets a call from a secret mobile phone, vanishes from the house for a considerable length of time, returns home, and there is no explanation as to what was the cause (and lying considerably about some of the details which she is aware are lies), but I am pretty certain most people would be somewhat suspicious.

She leaves the house not to 'punish' Walter, but to show him what it feels like to her (for the last few months/weeks). She leaves the house all day, without mentioning where she is, giving a flimsy and vague excuse while being emotionally distance, just as he has been doing. We have seen with Marie how much she despises lies (illicit behaviour too as she . Cancer he may have, but it doesn't serve as an adequate 'excuse' for how he's been acting for months; he doesn't exist in a vaccuum. She doesn't just 'create conflict' for the sake of it, she has, time and again, tried to figure out what's going on, and every single time Walter has shut her out. She had somewhat accepted that he liked to be alone, but knowing about the secret mobile phone completely shattered that excuse as it begs the question 'What exactly is he doing in his time alone?" Walter doesn't make a concerned effort to find out why she is annoyed, he knows full well, and blatantly lies to her face about something she knows is true.

When you add up:
Disappears from the house without any apparent reason.
Leaves at all times.
Likes to spend time alone.
Has a second mobile phone which he lies continuously about and makes excuses for.
Lack of willingness to communicate.
Continuous lies (which she knows are lies).
Drastic change in behaviour at home.

You get more than enough reason to be suspicious. EDIT 3: It isn't even that she knows he's doing something 'bad', it's that he is shutting her out and acting as if she doesn't even exist, being emotionally distant and cold for months, completely unwilling to communicate.

EDIT: I hope this helps to explain Skyler's reasoning. I generally get involved in Skyler-related discussions if I'm quite honest since it's a topic regularly brought up here but I'm hoping it clarifies her behaviour enough to increase your enjoyment somewhat (by making it more believable/understandable or otherwise).

EDIT 2: Oh and you really should be avoiding this thread in all honestly since there are unmarked spoilers up to the twelfth episode of season five and you absolutely do not want to be aware of characters that are still alive, what is currently happening, or events that have happened after the episode you are on but before the current season and it may considerably reduce the tension to you within the show.
 
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EDIT 2: Oh and you really should be avoiding this thread in all honestly since there are unmarked spoilers up to the twelfth episode of season five and you absolutely do not want to be aware of characters that are still alive, what is currently happening, or events that have happened after the episode you are on but before the current season and it may considerably reduce the tension to you within the show.

No worries about spoilers. I've seen all the seasons up to the newest episode last week. I should have mentioned that I had started watching the show again.

Thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed response. I've considered a lot of the points you wrote before I made my initial post. It makes sense and I can see why people support her. However, my personality sides with Walt. To me, his goals was admirable. He wanted to provide for his family in case he didn't make it. That justifies the lies (to me). Walt has put himself in considerable harm, and done some terrible things for his family. In the timeline of the show, at that episode he still not Heisenberg and I feel he could avoided the path to damnation if certain factors hadn't made his life more miserable.
 

Ionian

Member
The Sky hate has really dropped off this season. Maybe it's because she is #TeamWalt too now.

I think most of it came from new watchers marathoning through the series. Been watching it from day 1 myself and hated Skyler to begin with but came around after season 3.
 

Symphonia

Banned
The crazy shit starts tomorrow night. I can't wait.

No matter what happens, I will always love Breaking Bad forever.
The fact I have to wait until Monday afternoon is going to kill me. I'm going to be so tempted to come in to this thread before then. I must resist, I must...
 

Sigmaah

Member
The fact I have to wait until Monday afternoon is going to kill me. I'm going to be so tempted to come in to this thread before then. I must resist, I must...

I don't think I could wait, but I also wouldn't want to spoil it for myself, THIS IS THE END BRO, YOU MUST NOT SPOIL IT FOR YOURSELF. I have faith in you.
 
Jesus...can this thread just sink to the second page already. I want to read this thread soo bad. I'm only up to ep. 3 of season 5 and hope to join the party by the finally.
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
The fact I have to wait until Monday afternoon is going to kill me. I'm going to be so tempted to come in to this thread before then. I must resist, I must...

No, stay out of this thread. Don't have AMC on at any point between that time. Stay off Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, and Instagram.

It's easy to get spoiled if it's just a "normal" episode. If something crazy happens, the internet will go berserk. The only way to avoid spoilers is to stay off social media or have zero context for the show.
 
The fact I have to wait until Monday afternoon is going to kill me. I'm going to be so tempted to come in to this thread before then. I must resist, I must...

Breaking Bad episodes air in EST 9:00 PM Sunday evening, which is 11:00 AM Monday morning here, when I'm at work.

I think it'd be in my best interest to leave my phone at home on Mondays starting tomorrow to avoid the temptation to check Twitter, GAF, anything during that time. Total blackout until I can come home and watch it.
 
The Sky hate has really dropped off this season. Maybe it's because she is #TeamWalt too now.

yeah it's stupid. i now hate skyler because they cheapened the character by ALL OF A SUDDEN making her team walt. it's a flip of the switch for her this season.

they didn't even give us time to show her slowly change opinion.

I hope Jesse blasts the fool
 
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