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Yes. Killer Instinct looks hideous.]
it does look hideous but resolution is not the problem here.
Yes. Killer Instinct looks hideous.]
Incorrect. It's not as bad as you think it is. It's certainly much better than playing at 30FPS. Enable Triple Buffering and you're good to go.
Incorrect. It's not as bad as you think it is. It's certainly much better than playing at 30FPS. Enable Triple Buffering and you're good to go.
.Goddamn it, after 8 years we still can't get 1080 native.
The '30FPS is unplayable' mantra is grossly overexaggerated. I just completed The Last of Us and despite running at sub-30FPS on occasions (as well as being full of jaggies/bad IQ), it is probably the best game I have experienced. I'm in the crowd that 60FPS is ideal, but if not, hardly end of the world. As long as a game is completed locked at 30, then fine.Realise who you're speaking to. I honestly don't mean offence by this, but I honestly do believe he may have some kind of condition that exasperates frame rate issues tend fold over what normal people experience.
Thrakier, honestly dude, if I was you, and again, I promise I say this in kindness and with no ill intent, I'd book a doctors appointment or opticians and see if anything is up. The way you've described 30fps games to me in the past, unplayable, disgusting, eye sore, head ache inducing or terminology along those lines and more, I think it might possibly be a biological thing that is unique to only a select few. Maybe your eyes function differently to most or something, and as a result are more sensitive to lower frame rates?
What the hell are you talking about?wait wait wait, 'Native' 900p?
word play, man.
I don't find it a big deal personally. Crysis 3 felt great despite only running at 45FPS.I know Triple Buffering and how it works and I also know exactly what I'm talking about.
Killer Instinct looks very good. But there is nothing about the game which indicates it can't be run at 1080p60.
720p isn't great. Some have commented that the IQ of KI is somewhat soft.
You mean like The Order?You'll see this a lot with the Xbone so MS can get there games close to PS4 exclusives (poly/effect wise).
I guess 720p gives them a lot of overhead to work with.the problem is they are spending a lot of work on the backgrounds and for competitive play, steady 60fps withouth dips are a must.
Look what's happening at every major tournament in sf4 and maybe even marvel: they play on the friggin' training stage, because it is the only one with no dips.
And the short develop cycle doesnt help for sure.
Thank you for posting fellow GAFfer.
Can someone kind enough explain to me to upscale part please? It's 900p but it can upscale to 1080p but that is not "true" 1080p, correct? Can people see the difference, or is it not quite obvious?
I'm sorry if I'm saying something silly, just trying to understand this Upscale thing, thanks in advance.
It'll probably impact the PS4 as well but as of now, far more of Sony's exclusives are running at 1920x1080. I think The Order is the only one confirmed to be running at a sub-1080P resolution.
You mean like The Order?
I don't find it a big deal personally. Crysis 3 felt great despite only running at 45FPS.
God Of War 3 runs at that framerate too yet it feels completely smooth.
Thank you for posting fellow GAFfer.
Can someone kind enough explain to me to upscale part please? It's 900p but it can upscale to 1080p but that is not "true" 1080p, correct? Can people see the difference, or is it not quite obvious?
I'm sorry if I'm saying something silly, just trying to understand this Upscale thing, thanks in advance.
At least Microsoft is honest about this and communicated it beforehand, which kind of surprises me.
Also Ryse news keep to be pretty entertaining
Get a 1600x900 image and stretch it to 1920x1080. That's upscaling. As you might have noticed, the image becomes distorted. Good scaling algorithms can do a lot to hide the stretching and retain original image quality but you're still stretching the image.
This is exacerbated by the fact that TFT monitors have exactly the same number of RGB pixel arrays as resolution. For this reason, I can't see any situation where a competent 1600x900 image will look better than a native 1920x1080 image.
Think of upscaling as zooming into an image.
This is Killer Instinct in 1280x720:
And this is the same image upscaled to 19201080:
You basically "stretch" your image over a higher amount of pixels. As you can see one of the negative effects is that the image loses sharpness and becomes blurry.
900p is a good compromise. 900p is a lot better than 720p of last gen and what my gaming PC monitor is.
But the Xbox One graphical showcase (apparently) not being 1080p? Seems shitty.
That looks even worse than I imagined.This is Killer Instinct in 1280x720:
And this is the same image upscaled to 19201080:
You basically "stretch" your image over a higher amount of pixels. As you can see one of the negative effects is that the image loses sharpness and becomes blurry.
Halo 3 was horrible, I never understood why w people were so impressed by the visuals. There's no way at all that a virtually unnoticeable improvement to HDR precision was worth totally trashing the IQ like that.Yeah, Halo3 looks like complete arse. The pixel counting was just to prove with objective data that the game was running at a lower res and had bungie lied.
Where did they promise 1080p? Not being confrontational, I'm legitimately curious.Was the Order downgraded from an initial promise of 1080p?
No, they straight-up said at E3 that black bars was what they were going to do.
Where did they promise 1080p? Not being confrontational, I'm legitimately curious.
Where did they promise 1080p? Not being confrontational, I'm legitimately curious?
Seconded. Very knowledgeable folks on here!Thanks a lot for taking the time to explain it to me fellow GAFfers. It's now easier to understand that and see why the concerns in theses discussions from now on. Thank you again!
The Order is supposed to run at 1920 x 800 for the 2.40:1 ratio to get a cinematic feeling.Where did they promise 1080p? Not being confrontational, I'm legitimately curious.
I just get the impression that when a great looking PS4 game is announced sub 1080p its because of a design decision by the devs but when an Xone title is sub 1080p its because of weak hardware. Confirmation bias?
This is Killer Instinct in 1280x720:
And this is the same image upscaled to 19201080:
You basically "stretch" your image over a higher amount of pixels. As you can see one of the negative effects is that the image loses sharpness and becomes blurry.
People calling out The Order are seriously misinformed - it's embarrassing.
Its going to be 800p apparently. So, yeah both consoles look to be relatively weak compared to what we had in 05/06.
Oh well, its only another 8 years till nextnext gen.
So what upscaling algorithm is this? Looks awful.This is Killer Instinct in 1280x720:
And this is the same image upscaled to 19201080:
You basically "stretch" your image over a higher amount of pixels. As you can see one of the negative effects is that the image loses sharpness and becomes blurry.
Yeah, whatever that person did, they actually lost image detail on their upscale.Your scaling is poor. Here is the same image with a higher quality scale.
http://www.abload.de/img/scalei8e60.png
Explain.People calling out The Order are seriously misinformed - it's embarrassing.
Explain.
You are mixing up a few things. General console war is shitty regardless of any arguments but people should actually read about a specific topic before they post. Thats why all this misinformation in here exists. The Order runs at lower vertical resolution because they wanted to have the cinemascope 2,4:1 ratio. The PS4 nor the TV wont "upscale" the image to fit the 1080p frame. It will run with 1920x800 pixel. So all you get are black bars. The game remains crisp and isnt interpolated through scaling. These are entirley different things. The image of the Order remains untouched while the image of Ryse will be affected through the scaling which results in artifacts, jaggies and a blurry image.Where did they promise 1080p? Not being confrontational, I'm legitimately curious.
I just get the impression that when a great looking PS4 game is announced sub 1080p its because of a design decision by the devs but when an Xone title is sub 1080p its because of weak hardware. Confirmation bias?
The Order is supposed to run at 1920 x 800 for the 2.40:1 ratio to get a cinematic feeling.
Your scaling is poor. Here is the same image with a higher quality scale.
http://www.abload.de/img/scalei8e60.png
It's for cinematic reasons man, not the same thing!
IMHO that's not a higher quality scaling, just a different one. In this, there are obvious oversharpening issues at the edges, which make the aliasing stand out even more. In the other, there was a loss of sharpness.Your scaling is poor. Here is the same image with a higher quality scale.
http://www.abload.de/img/scalei8e60.png
IMHO that's not a higher quality scaling, just a different one. In this, there are obvious oversharpening issues at the edges, which make the aliasing stand out even more. In the other, there was a loss of sharpness.
I made a scaling method once that adjusts the amplitude of the lanczos kernel depending on whether there are aliased edges in the local area. It was pretty nice. But you won't run something like that if you're already reducing your resolution because you're GPU limited.