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SEGA Sammy acquires Index (Atlus) for 14 billion yen, now a subsidiary of Sega

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ohlawd

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... I'm really sad right now. I got this aching feeling in my heart.

You had a good run, my favorite gaming company.

like holy shit I'm actually really sad. I can handle a human death no prob but this? Shit.
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
charlequin said:
A very good chance. People need to look at this process with some logic instead of just flipping out.

Atlus itself -- not Index as a whole, but the consumer games development division that we're talking about here -- is a consistently profitable enterprise. The listed sale price is $141m in US dollars -- a price that would be quite excessive simply to pick up a couple IPs whose value is heavily invested in their current, dedicated-niche-fanbase manifestation. Sammy also bought Atlus over a variety of other bidders, after Index specifically talked about looking for a buyer who would maintain some continuity in the operation.

Paying that kind of money to just loot the corpse and turn currently profitable IPs into mobile waste dumps would be quite pointless when, as it stands, they can buy Atlus, let them remain profitable doing what they already do, and also exploit them via sleazy mobile titles and so on.

Atlus USA is definitely the bigger concern here.
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Right, I mean their strategy after buying Relic, Sports Interactive, Three Ring Designs, and Creative Assembly has been to pump more money into their games and also have them open a few side businesses, but they didn't tear out their core businesses.

Were someone to choose a rock to stand and complain on, it should be about their games going more AAA than mobile only.

Atlus USA though, yes there are notably real worries here, and perhaps some worries about localization for things they don't see as flagships.
 
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Caronte

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Fuck, no. Why ;_;

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Somnid

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Does Sega publish anything on consoles anymore that's not under Nintendo? I can't think of any.

Also why would Sammy want another game company? Sega does nothing for them aside from occasionally lose money.
 
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Acid08

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TheSeks said:
Given Sega's track record toward their own niche titles? I don't blame him for that line of thinking.
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They brought out five fucking Yakuza games in the US. FIVE. Of a franchise that sold like shit here.

But of course one that sells well, like Persona has proven it can, definitely makes sense it won't come over here. Makes total sense.
 
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kayos90

Tragic victim of fan death
Aquamarine said:
Yep. More info:

http://remoon.blog15.fc2.com/blog-entry-27198.html

セガサミーはスマートフォン向けゲームへの展開なども含め、インデックスの資産を有効活用したい考え。
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To make effective use of Index's (Atlus's) assets...Sega Sammy is thinking about expanding them into smartphone games.

This doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to stop making games for consoles / handhelds, and it doesn't mean that development on Persona 5 is going to stop.
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Well shit... I can see Atlus transitioning into primarily a mobile game dev subsidiary then. While they'll still work on bigger games, I feel that it'll be limited in terms of quantity.
 
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qq more

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ohlawd said:
... I'm really sad right now. I got this aching feeling in my heart.

You had a good run, my favorite gaming company.

like holy shit I'm actually really sad. I can handle a human death no prob but this? Shit.
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Err... Being a bit too dramatic, don't ya think?
 
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Tamanon

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fates said:
Tell that to Yakuza, Phantasy Star, and Valkyria Chronicles fans. Also 7th Dragon.

RIP in piece localizations
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Considering they just brought over Miku to America, I think it's more that they made business decisions that Yakuza and Phantasy Star wouldn't make money.

Atlus developed games usually don't have that problem and they have a proven localization team.
 
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Toad.T

Banned
Shh... listen.

Do you hear it?

It's the sound of a million Sonic fan-artists/writers getting new inspiration.

If this is what it takes to get a Snowboard Kids 4, then so be it.

(And Persona/SMT too, I guess...)

Apologies if this is a tired joke already, but it's what first popped into my head.


Yeah, I just read the full news. Ouch.

Good luck guys. I'm a Hudson Soft fan, so I definitely feel what you're going through.
 
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vall03

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Box of Bunnies said:
Sega Sammy Holdings is the parent company formed by the merger of Sega and Sammy. Sega Corp is a subsidiary of that, and the one everyone thinks is coming to rape their Personas and MegaTens and whatever.

There is every possibility that Atlus will become another subsidiary separate from Sega and mostly left to do their own thing, but that doesn't really suit the doomsday narrative.
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This is something I want clarified, because this is my understanding too. People sure are quick to jump the gun. Because I'm reading about the company right now and Sega Corp really is under Sega Sammy who owns several different companies. What I'm worried is the restructuring.
 
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-Horizon-

Member
Tamanon said:
Not at all, people just like to panic.
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I'm not really "in the know" about this whole situation and why some companies buying out Atlus/Index would be preferred over others. So yeah all I know right now is some people are freaking out.

So its OK if Sega has Index? Nothing or not much will happen to Atlus or will we just have to wait and see?

Nirolak said:
I found a leaked (or should I say leeked) screenshot of Persona 5:

hatsune_miku_persona_borx4.png
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It's perfectly normal that I would buy this.
 
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BronsonLee

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Succinct Verbosity said:
Should Sega Sammy be buying anyone in their current shape?
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Their current shape of printing money?

Nirolak said:
Right, I mean their strategy after buying Relic, Sports Interactive, Three Ring Designs, and Creative Assembly has been to pump more money into their games and also have them open a few side businesses, but they didn't tear out their core businesses.

Were someone to choose a rock to stand and complain on, it should be about their games going more AAA than mobile only.

Atlus USA though, yes there are notably real worries here, and perhaps some worries about localization.
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I honestly disagree in terms of Atlus USA/Localization. That shit had to come up. And you're not dropping 140 million dollars just to sell Japanese games. I think they clean up, but leave them be as they've been doing with all the other acquisitions they've got. Both sides of Atlus make bank, they were just tied to their anchor and being dragged down.

Also, people saying 'Nintendo should've bought them!':

That means outright anything they make is only for Nintendo platforms then. P4 Arena? P5? Catherine!?
 
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StreetsAhead

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Aquamarine said:
Yep. More info:

http://remoon.blog15.fc2.com/blog-entry-27198.html

セガサミーはスマートフォン向けゲームへの展開なども含め、インデックスの資産を有効活用したい考え。
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To make effective use of Index's (Atlus's) assets...Sega Sammy is thinking about expanding them into smartphone games.

This doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to stop making games for consoles / handhelds, and it doesn't mean that development on Persona 5 is going to stop.
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Indeed. In the paragraph before, it even states Sega Sammy is aiming to revitalize Index's home video game (presumably console and handheld) business.
 
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braves01

Banned
You've cleared two floors of the dungeon. Your party is now tired and unable to fight. You must wait 24 hours for your stamina to recover.

Pay $5 to recover party stamina now?
 
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Mauricio_Magus

Banned
ohlawd said:
... I'm really sad right now. I got this aching feeling in my heart.

You had a good run, my favorite gaming company.

like holy shit I'm actually really sad. I can handle a human death no prob but this? Shit.
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STFU, Have hope.... cause I don't have any left. ;________;
 
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Sophia

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kayos90 said:
Well shit... I can see Atlus transitioning into primarily a mobile game dev subsidiary then. While they'll still work on bigger games, I feel that it'll be limited in terms of quantity.
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I can't see that at all, actually. That would be a very poor business decision. They're not going to do something that outright damages the value of the Atlus brands.
 
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kewlmyc

Member
Now that I've calmed down, we might be okay. SEGA might just let Atlus keep doing what they do. It's not like they're not profitable.
 
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Kincaido

Got 99 problems and only one of them is a waifu
ohlawd said:
... I'm really sad right now. I got this aching feeling in my heart.

You had a good run, my favorite gaming company.

like holy shit I'm actually really sad. I can handle a human death no prob but this? Shit.
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ohlawd-kun ;_;
 
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androvsky

Member
charlequin said:
Atlus USA is definitely the bigger concern here.
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Is it? Sega over the last year has pretty much decimated Sega USA, moving most operations outside of simple marketing to Europe. Coincidentally, Atlus has no presence in Europe. As far as I know, there's surprisingly little overlap.
 
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Scum

Junior Member
Nirolak said:
Right, I mean their strategy after buying Relic, Sports Interactive, Three Ring Designs, and Creative Assembly has been to pump more money into their games and also have them open a few side businesses, but they didn't tear out their core businesses.

Were someone to choose a rock to stand and complain on, it should be about their games going more AAA than mobile only.

Atlus USA though, yes there are notably real worries here, and perhaps some worries about localization for things they don't see as flagships.
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This is the more worrying thing. :<
 
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vinnygambini

Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
charlequin said:
A very good chance. People need to look at this process with some logic instead of just flipping out.

Atlus itself -- not Index as a whole, but the consumer games development division that we're talking about here -- is a consistently profitable enterprise. The listed sale price is $141m in US dollars -- a price that would be quite excessive simply to pick up a couple IPs whose value is heavily invested in their current, dedicated-niche-fanbase manifestation. Sammy also bought Atlus over a variety of other bidders, after Index specifically talked about looking for a buyer who would maintain some continuity in the operation.

Paying that kind of money to just loot the corpse and turn currently profitable IPs into mobile waste dumps would be quite pointless when, as it stands, they can buy Atlus, let them remain profitable doing what they already do, and also exploit them via sleazy mobile titles and so on.

Atlus USA is definitely the bigger concern here.
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Yup! Index will be restructured to satisfy Sega Sammy's needs. What will most likely happen is their publishing arm (Sega, Atlus and Atlus USA) will become a unified unit (layoffs will follow sadly). Atlus will most likely continue to operate as a separate entity - development of their franchises amongst other things.
 
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