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[Scrabble]

The whole issue with this thing is the way they campaign for boobs. With slogans like "I love boobies" "save the boobs" and videos such as this one, which involved yet more boobs and boob grabbing, completely wash away the real issues around breast cancer. It sexes up the issue, and places far too much importance on "saving boobs", rather than thinking about the lives of the women themselves. The goal shouldn't be to save boobs because they're lovely, or to raise awareness of boobs, it should be to save women's lives

Consider a situation where a breast cancer survivor has had double mastectomy. Do you expect her breast cancer awareness campaign to be about saving the boobs or about saving the person? Especially when the former would only make her feel less of a woman considering the emphasis society seems to be putting on breasts when it comes to breast cancer.

You could go on and on and say how this is a light hearted video where everyone had fun and also raised some money but you've got to accept that breast cancer awareness should be about the person, not the breasts !

And you need to step into reality, something centered on breasts gets a lot more attention than some traditional ad or awareness campaign. If you want more boring ads and pamphlets with 80 year old women on the cover, that are more than likely going to get thrown in the trash, than fine, but you're going to hurt the cause, which ultimately seems much more important. Things like this get people's attention. Even if you disagree with the motive, you can't argue that something like this gets far more recognition and awareness than something traditional.

 

[User 100115]

And you need to step into reality where something centered on breasts gets a lot more attention than some traditional ad or awareness campaign. If you want more boring ads and pamphlets with 80 year old women on the cover, that are more than likely going to get thrown in the trash, than fine, but you're going to hurt the cause, which ultimately seems much more important. Things like this get people's attention. Even if you disagree with the motive, you can't argue that something like this gets far more recognition and awareness than something traditional.

Considering the fact that, when diagnosed with breast cancer or even finding out you have a high chance of getting breast cancer, the very first thing you do is remove the breasts, basing the entire campaign on 'saving the boobies' is pretty damned insulting to survivors.

The only people that get to save the boobies are the people that never get cancer. So...

 

[Scrabble]

1. Bell ringers are asking for money, straight up. They aren't asking you do something so THEY will give money.

2. I and many other people have problems with ALL incentivized donation campaigns. It's a way to make yourself look like you are a hero, when in fact you are only trying to 'recoup' the money you donated to charity or even make a profit by having consumers buy more of your product. Full stop. In this case, I am sure they have already more than profited from this via media exposure and youtube hits.

3. Walks and the like, again, are people asking for money, straight up. When you sign up for a walk, you get people to sponsor you. They agree to donate money for the amount you walk. YOU (you being the walker) aren't getting any gain in it. Other than, I dunno, getting some exercise.

They aren't raising any money. I don't know how many times people have to repeat this. They aren't raising money.

So the issue here is someone gaining, while also contributing to a good cause? Also a company is absolutely gaining from sponsoring an event. You think they are just doing it out of the kindness of their hearts? No, it's a way for them to get their brand and name out there. It's totally self serving, there is nothing different about it.

I also just don't care if they perceive themselves to be "heroes" or whatever, it has little bearing on what is accomplished. If that kind of thing bothers you, than I'm sorry.

 

[Uno Venova]

Multicultural band of cheeky chappies raise more than $2000 for breast cancer, help to raise awareness and make a chunk of chicks smile in the process. I'm struggling to take issue with this.

I'm sure they were politely declined by more than a few women, but chose not to show any of that for obvious reasons.

Pretty much, no losers in this entertaining video.

 

[Scrabble]

Considering the fact that, when diagnosed with breast cancer or even finding out you have a high chance of getting breast cancer, the very first thing you do is remove the breasts, basing the entire campaign on 'saving the boobies' is pretty damned insulting to survivors.

The only people that get to save the boobies are the people that never get cancer. So...

Well the people who do have experience with dealing with someone who has breast cancer expressed their feelings, that whatever raises awareness and goes to help find a cure can only be a good thing. Ultimately if this kind of promotion gets more attention, than I see it as the right step. Young people will actually pay attention to something like this, much more so than some pink ribbon or pamphlet.

 

[Newline]

Do people actually use this channel to get pick up tips?

It seems like an overwhelming amount of information to be thinking about / considering when talking to a girl. Frankly i'd rather just wing it.

 

[captmorgan]

1. Bell ringers are asking for money, straight up. They aren't asking you do something so THEY will give money.

2. I and many other people have problems with ALL incentivized donation campaigns. It's a way to make yourself look like you are a hero, when in fact you are only trying to 'recoup' the money you donated to charity or even make a profit by having consumers buy more of your product. Full stop. In this case, I am sure they have already more than profited from this via media exposure and youtube hits.

3. Walks and the like, again, are people asking for money, straight up. When you sign up for a walk, you get people to sponsor you. They agree to donate money for the amount you walk. YOU (you being the walker) aren't getting any gain in it. Other than, I dunno, getting some exercise.

They aren't raising any money. I don't know how many times people have to repeat this. They aren't raising money.

So your main problem with this is that they arent raising any more money than what they had all ready budgeted to give.

So then it would be perfectly fine is a group of strippers were on the street and allowed men to motorboat them for 20 dollars and that was going to breast cancer. Would that be ok?

 

[User 100115]

So your main problem with this is that they arent raising any more money than what they had all ready budgeted to give.

So then it would be perfectly fine is a group of strippers were on the street and allowed men to motorboat them for 20 dollars and that was going to breast cancer. Would that be ok?

No, because it would still be incentivized donation. In that situation, I would assume it would be a 'portion of the proceeds' would be going toward cancer, which would likely more than be made up for in the amount of people that came to use the service.

 

[captmorgan]

No, because it would still be incentivized donation. In that situation, I would assume it would be a 'percentage of income' would be going toward cancer, which would likely more than be made up for in the amount of people that came to use the service.

Since all donations can be claimed on income taxes doesnt that make all donations at least to a degree incentivized?

 

[User 100115]

Since all donations can be claimed on income taxes doesnt that make all donations at least to a degree incentivized?

That's the point, sorta. I am running a fever and might be not making my point clearly, sorry.

So on top of the fact that donations can be claimed on taxes, incentivized campaigns are forcing consumers to dictate how much money they will donate. For every lid you send in, ten cents will go towards cancer! So some people will be buying a shit ton of yogurt in order to 'donate to cancer'. Someone people won't bother. And the company gets to make out like it actually gives a shit about cancer, when it likely in the end profited from the whole thing.

 

[Sats]

I feel bad now for not seeing the problem ;-;

 

[captmorgan]

That's the point, sorta. I am running a fever and might be not making my point clearly, sorry.

So on top of the fact that donations can be claimed on taxes, incentivized campaigns are forcing consumers to dictate how much money they will donate. For every lid you send in, ten cents will go towards cancer! So some people will be buying a shit ton of yogurt in order to 'donate to cancer'. Someone people won't bother. And the company gets to make out like it actually gives a shit about cancer, when it likely in the end profited from the whole thing.

Thats fair (hope you feel better)
Just from my perspective I find all charity use some type of incentive to force people to donate. Wether its breasts or its a picture of a starving child or a commercial of a dog about to be put down while a sad song plays in the back ground.
Its up to the donater to decide if the incentive is strong enough in each case.


Side tangent is anybody else here forced to donate to charity? I just started to work for the city and its a mandatory 10 dollars a paycheck that goes to united way.

 

[Sats]

Side tangent is anybody else here forced to donate to charity? I just started to work for the city and its a mandatory 10 dollars a paycheck that goes to united way.

Reminds me of the Friends episode with Howard the Handyman.

 

[Conciliator]

That was cute. Some real cute chicks there.

I think it wouldn't be that hard. Run up in a college town with some confidence, a camera crew and a good cause and practically anyone could do it.

 

[Sorian]

That was cute. Some real cute chicks there.

I think it wouldn't be that hard. Run up in a college town with some confidence, a camera crew and a good cause and practically anyone could do it.

Mmhmm and I bet you 25% of the girls in that video would have went along with it just for the laugh anyway.

 

[Rentahamster]

The intent behind the act is what I have a huge issue with.

I would agree with you if we knew what their intent was, but we're not mind readers. It's probably safe to assume that 1. They want more hits, 2. They want to motorboat boobs, and 3. They want to donate money to charity, but who is to say what the majority factor, if any, was?

the entire purpose behind this is to motorboat women, and get attention for their channel. The cancer part is secondary and they could give a shit less about it.

How are you so certain that they don't give a shit about cancer research?

2. I and many other people have problems with ALL incentivized donation campaigns. It's a way to make yourself look like you are a hero, when in fact you are only trying to 'recoup' the money you donated to charity or even make a profit by having consumers buy more of your product. Full stop. In this case, I am sure they have already more than profited from this via media exposure and youtube hits.

If incentivized donation campaigns, in all its forms, were to disappear overnight, you would most likely have a significant drop in the overall amount of money that is being donated to research. If such a thing were to occur, do you feel this "purity of intention" would have been a worthwhile tradeoff?

3. Walks and the like, again, are people asking for money, straight up. When you sign up for a walk, you get people to sponsor you. They agree to donate money for the amount you walk. YOU (you being the walker) aren't getting any gain in it. Other than, I dunno, getting some exercise.

This still employs some degree of guilt tripping everyone whom the walker asks for money.

The only people that get to save the boobies are the people that never get cancer. So...

That would be the point, since one of the overarching goals of breast cancer research is to eliminate, or vaccinate against cancer entirely.

 

[speculawyer]

Crass. But for a good cause. I'll allow it.

 

[cyclonekruse]

I don't see the big problem with incentivized donation. If I have $100 of disposable income, there is no moral obligation for me to donate it to charity. If I do decide to give that money away, it would be morally praiseworthy, of course, but if I decide to keep that $100, it doesn't strike me as immoral or bad, even if it's a touch selfish. It's my money, after all. I'm free to do what I will with it.

So let's say I don't feel moved to donate to a certain charity because it's national and I see a more local need for the money. Therefore, I place restrictions on the donation. I tell the charity that I'll donate the money so long as it gets put to use in my local area. Or if the charity is trying to move to a new location to better serve the community, I might donate money to that effort but not allow my money to be used for anything else. Adding restrictions to a donation isn't necessarily a bad thing. Yes, you're making it a conditional donation (e.g. "I'll give you this money only if you use it for X purpose") when you could be giving a donation without any conditions. But that's not morally bad. It's just might not be quite as morally good.

Incentivized donation isn't much different. The only real difference is that instead of the conditions being placed on the charity's use of the funds (though it's still possible to restrict the funds in that way), you're placing conditions that other people must meet for you to give your money. Sure, it might be "better" for you to give without such conditions but it's by no means "bad" for you to place conditions on your giving. At worst, you'd remove any moral "goodness" from the act if you end up gaining more from the gift than does the charity. But who cares? If someone says he/she will donate $1 to the Red Cross if I give them a high five, I will give them a high five. Yes, that person could have given the money without the hooplah, but that person could have also just sat on the money. I'd calculate that the cost of me taking the 2 seconds out of my life to high five this person was worth the gain that the Red Cross gets even if the person offering this proposition gets publicity out of the deal. Not doing the optimal good =/= doing something bad.

And, yes, incentivized donations can raise money. If I'm broke I can't donate to charity. But if I'm broke and have a product for sale for which I say I'll donate a percentage of the sale to charity, I can donate to charity if and only if someone buys that product first. And if I set it up so that the sale of this product will give a little to charity in perpetuity, then every sale (i.e. every "incentivized donation") raises money for that charity.

 

[Rafterman]

Well the people who do have experience with dealing with someone who has breast cancer expressed their feelings, that whatever raises awareness and goes to help find a cure can only be a good thing. Ultimately if this kind of promotion gets more attention, than I see it as the right step. Young people will actually pay attention to something like this, much more so than some pink ribbon or pamphlet.

My mother died of breast cancer when I was in high school, and it doesn't make a single fucking difference to me how money is raised/donated to help cure this disease, just that it happens. And really pisses me when these holier than thou people wanna raise a stink over someone helping that goal...regardless of how it's. Do these fucking people honestly believe that people who are sick or dying would want to turn this money away?

Seriously, fuck anyone who was part of that money getting returned.

 

[sephi22]

4.1 million views.

That's $4100 more going to get donated, bringing the total amount to $6,180

 

[perfectchaos007]

4.1 million views.

That's $4100 more going to get donated, bringing the total amount to $6,180

If they can find a breast cancer charity that will accept it. If none of them do, hopefully they donate it to testicular cancer research because what they did in the video took balls?

 

[ThisWreckage]

1. Bell ringers are asking for money, straight up. They aren't asking you do something so THEY will give money.

2. I and many other people have problems with ALL incentivized donation campaigns. It's a way to make yourself look like you are a hero, when in fact you are only trying to 'recoup' the money you donated to charity or even make a profit by having consumers buy more of your product. Full stop. In this case, I am sure they have already more than profited from this via media exposure and youtube hits.

3. Walks and the like, again, are people asking for money, straight up. When you sign up for a walk, you get people to sponsor you. They agree to donate money for the amount you walk. YOU (you being the walker) aren't getting any gain in it. Other than, I dunno, getting some exercise.

They aren't raising any money. I don't know how many times people have to repeat this. They aren't raising money.

I respect your vigor and patience, but explaining yourself ad nauseam to some of the people in this thread is a fool's errand. I agree with you 100%. Some people are terrible at grasping concepts. I wish they'd motorboat logic.

 

[User 100115]

I respect your vigor and patience, but explaining yourself ad nauseam to some of the people in this thread is a fool's errand. I agree with you 100%. Some people are terrible at grasping concepts. I wish they'd motorboat logic.

Thank you for the respect. I return it for your efforts here too.

I honestly thought maybe I was just failing to explain myself correctly. I've got the damned flu so I've been kinda out of it heh.

 

[nOoblet16]

In the end, who cares? Yes, it should be about the person and not the breasts but if money is raised and research is done, does it really matter? Someone said it earlier but the focus on "boobies" and motorboating may be tasteless but it gets the job done. Young people in this generation really have money to burn (which is an issue and topic for another day) and this focus on the sex appeal gets them engaged in the cause. They donate, they spread the word, who the fuck cares how it happens, this simple video raised 2k, some guys got to have fun, most of those women had fun and weren't realluy exploited at all, and this thing is making so many laps around youtube at the moment that it can really only end up being a good thing.

And you need to step into reality, something centered on breasts gets a lot more attention than some traditional ad or awareness campaign. If you want more boring ads and pamphlets with 80 year old women on the cover, that are more than likely going to get thrown in the trash, than fine, but you're going to hurt the cause, which ultimately seems much more important. Things like this get people's attention. Even if you disagree with the motive, you can't argue that something like this gets far more recognition and awareness than something traditional.

The problem with these kind of campaign is not exploitation (because there is none), instead it's objectification. I do not believe the end justifies the means. It's not spreading awareness about breast cancer if it's centring around the loveliness of breasts and it gives people the wrong idea. It might look nice for a while but in the long haul it really isn't helpful at all. If I had cancer I'd resent people using it as a way to have some fun even if they did turn around a lot of money because they do not show the reality about the cancer.


Also I genuinely believe that the reason there is more breast cancer awareness than testicular or less awareness around male breast cancer (I doubt a lot of people even knew that this was possible), is not just down to the fact men are less likely to discuss these things, but also because they can't objectify, sex up, and sell it in a nice little package like they can with breast cancer.

 

[Scrabble]

I respect your vigor and patience, but explaining yourself ad nauseam to some of the people in this thread is a fool's errand. I agree with you 100%. Some people are terrible at grasping concepts. I wish they'd motorboat logic.

All of those points have already been discussed and responded to, but continue playing the "oh these thick headed people" angle if it makes you feel better.

 

[captmorgan]

The problem with these kind of campaign is not exploitation (because there is none), instead it's objectification. I do not believe the end justifies the means. It's not spreading awareness about breast cancer if it's centring around the loveliness of breasts and it gives people the wrong idea. It might look nice for a while but in the long haul it really isn't helpful at all. If I had cancer I'd resent people using it as a way to have some fun even if they did turn around a lot of money because they do not show the reality about the cancer.
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How fucking noble of you I truly hope you get to live long enough to put your integrity into practice.

As someone who got to watch my mother die from cancer I DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCK where the money comes from or how its collected.

 

[spirity]

How fucking noble of you I truly hope you get to live long enough to put your integrity into practice.

As someone who got to watch my mother die from cancer I DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCK where the money comes from or how its collected.

Sometimes people principles clouds their view. Don't sweat it, and sorry for your loss.

 

[Stet]

How fucking noble of you I truly hope you get to live long enough to put your integrity into practice.

As someone who got to watch my mother die from cancer I DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCK where the money comes from or how its collected.

Sorry for your loss, but wishing cancer on someone is pretty fucked.

 

[Sanky Panky]

All of those points have already been discussed and responded to, but continue playing the "oh these thick headed people" angle if it makes you feel better.

Some posters are better than others at continually being dismissive of issues affecting women. It does help to dismiss these posters are thick-headed and move on with our lives.

 

[perfectchaos007]

They took down the video. Here's there response of indignation overload

 

[Des0lar]

They took down the video. Here's there response of indignation overload

Stupid

 

[Pimpwerx]

If I had testicular cancer, I wouldn't care if someone raised money for it by kicking dudes in the nuts. It's money going to a good cause. The outrage is no less moronic. I don't know what the dollar value is on morals and values, but I'm pretty sure it's somewhere between $0 and $0.01. PEACE.

 

[Scrabble]

If I had testicular cancer, I wouldn't care if someone raised money for it by kicking dudes in the nuts. It's money going to a good cause. The outrage is no less moronic. I don't know what the dollar value is on morals and values, but I'm pretty sure it's somewhere between $0 and $0.01. PEACE.

only with their consent of course

 

[ThisWreckage]

They took down the video. Here's there response of indignation overload

That's pretty much an admission that they were completely in the wrong and I wonder what the defenders have to say now.

 

[TheRedMan]

That's pretty much an admission that they were completely in the wrong and I wonder what the defenders have to say now.

What the hell? How is that an admission they were completely in the wrong? They clearly think the people that had problems with this video were completely irrational and asinine.

The following are direct quotes from that video:

"This time I think the haters were completely out of line"

"Congratulations haters, breast cancer research literally just lost $7000 because of your personal problems with this video."

 

[cheststrongwell]

They took down the video. Here's there response of indignation overload

What a joke. Wish they hadn't backed down, but whatever. Hope they find something good to do with the money.

 

[CrudeDiatribe]

"Congratulations haters, breast cancer research literally just lost $7000 because of your personal problems with this video."

Given that they have the money they could still just donate it anonymously like most of us do and skip the self-aggrandizement.

 

[TheRedMan]

Given that they have the money they could still just donate it anonymously like most of us do and skip the self-aggrandizement.

People likely want proof they donated the money.

 

[User 100115]

People want proof they donated the money and didn't just pocket it.

They didn't raise any money.

I repeat. They didn't raise any money.

They had some money.

They said they would give that money to BCRF if a bunch of girls let them motorboat them.

 

[MASB]

Considering the fact that, when diagnosed with breast cancer or even finding out you have a high chance of getting breast cancer, the very first thing you do is remove the breasts, basing the entire campaign on 'saving the boobies' is pretty damned insulting to survivors.

The only people that get to save the boobies are the people that never get cancer. So...

That is absolutely incorrect. My grandmother had breast cancer. Naturally they removed the cancerous cells from her breast, but she didn't undergo a mastectomy (things went well and she's never had a recurrence, if you were wondering).

As for various breast cancer awareness doings, I don't think they do much harm. But I also think they usually don't do much good. Instead of wearing pink like it will change the world, it would be better if concerted energy was directed at changing public policy and financing in ways that aid research and experimentation.

Kind of like the NFL October nonsense. If the NFL wanted to do something, they could donate $1 billion to research. They honestly wouldn't miss such a one-time donation and that would accomplish more than decades of letting cancer survivors stand on a football field for the cameras. Again, what their doing isn't harmful, but I don't think it's in any way effective either.

 

[Fantasmo]

Everyone consented, everyone involved had some good fun, the cause was good, and money was donated, all out of love for boobs, but now the money is gone, and so is the video and their reputation. Funny how that works.

 

[Scrabble]

They didn't raise any money.

I repeat. They didn't raise any money.

They had some money.

They said they would give that money to BCRF if a bunch of girls let them motorboat them.

I repeat. They make money by doing videos like this.

A video with 4 million+ views brings in a lot of money.

A video with 4 million+ views accomplishes the goal of the video, TO RAISE AWARENESS.

Sorry that some of us don't see the idea of consenting adults having a good time, while simultaneously promoting a good cause, to be the worst thing ever.

 

[Rayis]

If they really cared about the cause, they would have donated the money without the crass video

 

[Pimpwerx]

I repeat. They make money by doing videos like this.

A video with 4 million+ views brings in a lot of money.

A video with 4 million+ views accomplishes the goal of the video, TO RAISE AWARENESS.

Sorry that some of us don't see the idea of consenting adults having a good time, while simultaneously promoting a good cause, to be the worst thing ever.

Because the people whining and complaining probably haven't even donated a fraction of what these guys attempted to, towards the cause. I think that's probably most-insulting. You want to protest a donation? Fine. Match what they were going to donate so that at least it's not a lost effort. Then you've not only made a stand on morals, but you've also still aided the cause in the same way these guys were attempting to. But nope. Bitch, moan, get them to reject the offer and then sit smug as a bug while a cause is actually hurt. SMH. Everyone consented in the video, and it wouldn't have gotten all those views if people didn't find it entertaining. There's nothing bad about this video.

If they really cared about the cause, they would have donated the money without the crass video

They raise the money via viewer hits. I don't think people quite understand this point. PEACE.

 

[Wazzy]

I can't stand these guys. I remembered the comic con video of the asian one shoving his head in womens breasts without their permission.

I get that this video is meant to be for a good cause but it all just comes off as tacky and offensive for victims. My best friends mom and her sister both got breast cancer and had to have their breasts removed and I know they would find this incredibly offensive that their focus point is "save the boobs".

 

[Fantasmo]

I can't stand these guys. I remembered the comic con video of the asian one shoving his head in womens breasts without their permission.

I get that this video is meant to be for a good cause but it all just comes off as tacky and offensive for victims. My best friends mom and her sister both got breast cancer and had to have their breasts removed and I know they would find this incredibly offensive that their focus point is "save the boobs".

Hm, my mom didn't, because nothing here is offensive. No nudity and everyone's cool about it. Her second round of chemo is in two days.

 

[Wazzy]

Hm, my mom didn't, because nothing here is offensive. No nudity and everyone's cool about it. Her second round of chemo is in two days.

Both of them were devastated when they lost their breasts and are still extremely insecure because of it.

I'm not going to speak for all women who went through breast cancer(I can tell you now if I got it I would be pretty upset about this video) but I will say for two victims I know they wouldn't be happy.

 

[Pimpwerx]

I can't stand these guys. I remembered the comic con video of the asian one shoving his head in womens breasts without their permission.

I get that this video is meant to be for a good cause but it all just comes off as tacky and offensive for victims. My best friends mom and her sister both got breast cancer and had to have their breasts removed and I know they would find this incredibly offensive that their focus point is "save the boobs".

Maybe ask them, instead of assuming. My dad has prostate cancer in remission. I can tell you that he and I wouldn't care where the money came from. If it's going to a cure, that's all that matters. The specter of death gives more perspective than the morals brigade. PEACE.

 

[Dicer]

They didn't raise any money.

I repeat. They didn't raise any money.

They had some money.

They said they would give that money to BCRF if a bunch of girls let them motorboat them.

Raised=/=Donated

It's still MONEY that WOULD have went to research...

It's sad that they had to pull the video, I hope the money goes some place where people will actually appreciate that these guys took time away from their usual goof routine and TRIED to do some good.

But, yeah they are sexist morons that just wanted to feel tits...

 

[Wazzy]

Maybe ask them, instead of assuming. My dad has prostate cancer in remission. I can tell you that he and I wouldn't care where the money came from. If it's going to a cure, that's all that matters. The specter of death gives more perspective than the morals brigade. PEACE.

Sure. I'll go ask in about 10-15 minutes when I see her.