Can you use the roku box without Internet? Chromecast? I think those are devices that would just sit like bricks out of the box without a firm of Internet connection, right? I could be wrong, though.
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Brand new Xbox One will not even boot if you dont have internet connection
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Can you use the roku box without Internet? Chromecast? I think those are devices that would just sit like bricks out of the box without a firm of Internet connection, right? I could be wrong, though.
I believe another thread said the update was 500MB for the Xbox One?
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Hmm, seems like maybe the update isn't exactly guaranteed to always be the same by the time specific people get their hands on an Xbox One, which is probably why it can't just be applied to every game released, or on a disc of some kind that's included in the box? MS is likely just continually working on things up to the very last minute, which pretty much makes including it with the system almost impossible, that is if they want the tightest possible control over what people's first ever experience with the system is like.
I can see that being it, and it's possibly for the best. The upside, I guess, is that it guarantees whatever update people get when they finally get around to picking up their systems is guaranteed to be whatever Microsoft has the most confidence in at the time.
So, in that sense, the 500MB+ update is more or less the system's operating system, and of course you can't use the system without that being in place.
I can see that being it, and it's possibly for the best. The upside, I guess, is that it guarantees whatever update people get when they finally get around to picking up their systems is guaranteed to be whatever Microsoft has the most confidence in at the time.
So, in that sense, the 500MB+ update is more or less the system's operating system, and of course you can't use the system without that being in place.
Well now they're advertising and heavily focusing on it's capacity to work offline.
It's problematic and disingenuous at best.
Black Mantis
Member
Of course, but not to the point that we have to feel the need to generate outrage for them. Whilst disappointing, they can always return the product and get their money back, they aren't stuck with a $500 brick.
My point is that even though those require an Internet connection to even function out of the box, it isn't stopping many many people from purchasing them and connecting them.
2 Slice Toaster
Member
Does it state on the PS4 box that a PS+ account is now required for online multiplayer?
ZombiePlatypus
Member
I think you're right, but I also think these devices have yet to achieve, staple, mainstream-household status, so...I dunno if they're the best examples. (I'm also pretty sure they're far less than $500.)
Actually the Roku has a USB port on the side that would allow you to watch movies on it.
That's actually a valid concern here! They do the same thing here as well. Getting PS4 myself so I hope there's no problem there. An emergency fix would be to make your PC a virtual router and connect the XB1 to that? I have only ever tried this with my ps3, which didn't work, but it seems the 360 does so XB1 might be good.
Sorry, I was being flippant and not conveying it very well. I agree with you. People will tell you they're not games consoles. You tell them Ouya is a games console and needs internet in a very similar fashion.
Then there's the OnLive MicroConsole which is one of those damned-blasted always online monstrosities.
Tfault
Member
How one uses the product is not the issue here. MS have chosen to deliberately supply a product that will not function out of the box without the update or inform users that is the case.
Trading standards might have something to say about bad practices like this.
To have an online-requiring device? Of course. Why wouldn't it be?
That remains to be seen how well they communicate that. That said, a smallprint "Internet Required For Initial Activation" is not gonna cut it for this one.
Marty Chinn
Member
It's neither. I don't see how advocating some personal responsibility on how you spend your money isn't something that everyone should do. You can't put out $500 on something that is bad and not take any responsibility at all in the purchase.
They do for the sake of their business, not your well being.
Is Sony doing this by not making it super explicitly clear that the PS4 is not backwards compatible with the PS3, PS2, PS1, and PSP?
I agree; it's not right. Microsoft goofed here. I'm not excusing Microsoft at all here.
I think a simple Google search about the Xbox One will likely give you a hit that will tell you about the update. It's not like this hasn't been discussed a lot. In fact, if you just go to the official page, which is something people often do for a product, it tells you that you need an Internet connection to set it up. Simple, basic research will show this.
I bring up the PS4 not having backward compatibility. You think the consumer has no responsibility at all to find out if it's backward compatible or not? Because that is exactly what you're implying with what you said just here.
No, your Internet going out is not your fault. But it's also not the fault of the manufacturer who created an Internet device if your Internet goes out either.
WordsintheWater
Member
This goes both ways, nothing to be absolutely outraged over, but it's not something to defend either.
jordan0386
Member
It comes with a 30-day card. It'll have all the details on there.
I wasn't talking about how one uses the product. I was referring directly to your complaint that no company should ship a product like that and was merely pointing out two popular products that are shipped like that.
Do you know this isn't on the box?
And banned!
(Cellphones have always required service to function, this is a new and sad precedent)
This has got to be part of the NeogafShitPosts ..
(Cellphones have always required service to function, this is a new and sad precedent)
Tfault
Member
If you purchase the products you mention, then you are probably fully aware of the operating requirements. However with the Xbox MS made a big deal about no internet requirement after the U-turn.
So how many people will think it requires an internet connection to actually start using the product?
Man_Flannel
Member
I love how people are making a big deal about this when it's been known for months that a day one patch would be required to play games.
Tfault
Member
No, but me thinks not.
Let's not kid ourselves, the kind of people that will get caught out by a day one internet requirement are the kind of people who have absolutely no idea that there was ever any kind of u-turn on anything. These are people picking it up for Christmas for their kids.
Never gonna buyers gonna never buy.
"I'm never buying an Xbox One because of what MS tried to pull!"
"What!? There's a required day one patch!?"
"Xbone"
"I'm never gonna buy an Xbox One."
"What?! There's a day one patch required to do anything?!"
"I am outraged! I was never gonna buy an Xbox One, but if I did... not now!"
Ok, cool. I agree with most of this, but your initial post, the one I quoted and was/am referring to stated that no product has any excuse to not work out of the box. Period.
Those products do have excuses as does the Xbone. You know what its excuse is.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
I think this is just about making sure people have the absolute latest version of the OS, something Microsoft are far more comfortable with at release. I expect newly manufactured systems outside of the launch window will just work right out of the box. In a nutshell, I don't think this is a simple reversing of the previous policies patch. It's much more substantial.
Tfault
Member
The point is the mass uninformed would expect any product to work out of the box regardless of internet or not, as would you and I.
I wonder how many retail outlet employee's would be aware of the update requirement?
Those same kids will be very surprised when they turn it on!
Mistwalker
Member
This is what I came to post, to ask whether the online requirement is clearly noted on the box. It really needs to be.
Which is why the issue is not that MS require the update... that's by the by and, as mentioned, the Xbox One is not unique in needing it, even amongst consoles. The issue is how well they choose to communicate it.
I would think it is.
They always said a day one update would be required after the reversal.
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update
nature boy
Member
Couldn't they add the update to the game disks for those who can't quickly download a 500 mb update?
They can and almost certainly will, but the patch is either newly finished or still not ready yet, so all those games that have already been dispatched won't have it yet.
Marty Chinn
Member
This is normally the case, but given that it's launch, it's possible the final patch wasn't finished before games went to be manufactured.
adamantypants
Member
Those are devices specifically made to use Internet connections. Who the hell would buy a Roku or Chromecast Internet media streamer and not connect it to the internet?
My real question is how long they'll continue to mandate an Internet connection before these start working out of the box.
dragonelite
Member
Isnt this like the third thread?
This seems like such an unessecary lowering of customer value*. And an unecessary risk to take in terms of PR. :/
But maybe they have allready sent out free DVD's to retailers in order to take care of this?
*Basically, any effort needed in order to use the product is a lowering of value for the end customer. Any value proposition is of course a question of the costs needed to realise it and the gains realized, both in real and absolute terms.
But maybe they have allready sent out free DVD's to retailers in order to take care of this?
*Basically, any effort needed in order to use the product is a lowering of value for the end customer. Any value proposition is of course a question of the costs needed to realise it and the gains realized, both in real and absolute terms.
metalslimer
Member
Oh...
Retail places should have disks available - for a small fee is MS is being scabby - and maybe retail should have an area to help with the update for parent etc. That kind of service is what differentiates them from online - retail needs to step up.
I have no doubt that MS won't have offline update disks available. I'll be very surprised if they do.
I have no doubt that MS won't have offline update disks available. I'll be very surprised if they do.
Tfault
Member
I do not concur with you comment. A 'one time system setup' is not the same as one time system update requiring internet.
System setup could be setting the clock for all we know......
I think the most to hope for would be "Go to xbox.com/whoopsOne and download the update to a USB stick".
FaintColt388301
Member
The difference is a Roku functions as intended out of the box. An Xbox doesn't function as intended. It's not an internet device it's a gaming device
I think the point here is that XBox One is now a fully internet based device. And I think it's the first console to fully embrace that label.
This is a trend that is only going to accelerate as the web becomes even more ubiquitous.
Plus gaming is hardly the main purpose of this machine so naturally it won't go over well at NeoGAF which is completely understandable.
This is a trend that is only going to accelerate as the web becomes even more ubiquitous.
Plus gaming is hardly the main purpose of this machine so naturally it won't go over well at NeoGAF which is completely understandable.
Ouya is a gaming device.