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COD Ghosts Xbox One offline (2 weeks before launch) not possible without Live?
- Thread starter GribbleGrunger
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So forget CBOAT's post and any paranoid speculation but this is what really concerns me. It's 2 weeks out from launch and and simple OS patches are bricking consoles
The way I see it is they knew the OS software was coming in hot, so they figured they'd ship a box without, basically any working/final OS. The patch allows both online and offline play, because it basically is the final OS.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
You're missing the point. Why can't he play offline if the DRM was removed post patch?
Steelyuhas
Member
No, they said a day one update doesn't have to do with DRM and it was always planned.
It's because they started manufacturing these things in late-August or early September. Why would they force themselves to have "final" OS software back in August when they can just deliver an update in November? Sony's doing the same thing.
because in theory they're still working on the patch until the day the system launches and as a result will not have time to get a finished patch on disc to retailers before launch. After, maybe.
I would also give up, but I'm picking up a launch console, so this stuff is kind of important
Neuromancer
Member
I don't know any more. I too am incredibly confused.
Brain of J
Banned
Why do you people care so much what the state of the X1 is/was pre-patch? It's a mandatory patch. Only thing that matters is how it performs post-patch, right?
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
So answer me, why can't he play offline? You can play offline before Sony patches the PS4. This isn't adding up.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
We may never know what really is going on.
Neuromancer
Member
Conspiracy time, maybe they purposefully sent him a 'poison pill' update to put the kibosh on his shenanigans.
Albert Penello
Member
Thank you. Exactly right.
Because the OS is fucked/not final/not workable/etc
But then, how was he able to play offline yesterday and not today? The only explanation was that he never played yesterday and assumed it to be the case, which doesn't make sense either. There is one comment either on his side or Albert's side that doesn't add up
Because he did not have a final consumer OS. What he downloaded was most likely a beta/developer OS with a limited functional window. Ans that most likely expired after he lost XBL access.
WordsintheWater
Member
Yea it seems so, but I'm not even just talking about this situation, it all has been confusing. Weirdest launch I have ever seen.
Or maybe yesterday's version of the OS worked and it expired. Or he downloaded an update that fucked it.
Makes sense. They needed to a finish a version the OS before consoles started being manufactured, but that was months ago. There must have been lots of works still to do, and they wanted every last second of time to work on the OS. The day one patch gives them tons of extra time. As Penello said they are still working on it now, only two weeks before release.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
This is going round in circles. How was he playing the games online AND offline yesterday if the OS was fucked (as you put it). Did it eventually crash? Is that what you are getting at?
You see how difficult it is to square this? There's something odd here and even you are starting to grasp for answers.
His build expired and he is blocked from Live so he can not download the current build.
The build had not expired yet? Maybe each build works for a limited time before expiring. The final build will not have that limit of course.
SRTtoZ
Member
We understand the logistics on why the system itself ships with an incomplete OS, we get it. The question we are asking is why the fuck does a console that has the latest up to date patch (1-2 days ago) all of a sudden ban SP content, oh and even entering settings. I would understand if he had some really old version but he was using the most up to date version that everyone else who had an xbox one in their home was using up until a day ago.
May be a combination of both, as pointed out by Rhindle. The update was some test build that expired?
Alright, that's why we're all downloading a patch, but why can he not play offline?
SRTtoZ
Member
So what you're telling me is that any beta tester or reviewer, or developer, or MS employee that has a console in their house; if they dont download the latest update right away it bricks their console?
Hey Albert. Thanks for the quick feedback. I'm still confused as to why the gentleman was able to play before this issue, but not afterwards, though. That is something that isn't making sense to me. He could play until the ban and now he can't. Also, going a bit further, how are other sites that do reviews playing these games right now?
SeaOfMadness
Member
On the contrary. *Everything* has to. We seem to be in a race to find the next controversial (non-issue) topic. It's just too much fun, evidently.
This reminds me too much of political smear campaigns. Both sides are guilty of it and it's really not helping people who just want to know more about the next gen systems.
Chobel
Member
This is seriously fucked up If he can't download the latest build.
Megatron
Member
I think the scariest part about all this is why has Microsoft built into their system a way to deny us from playing single player games offline from the disk? This suggests that they can just turn our games off at any point, even physical offline games. The question is not why would Microsoft ever turn our games off but rather why did they give themselves the ability to do it at all?
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Damn he was so unlucky to get a patch that expired on the very day he got his X1. Sorry. I'm not buying this explanation at all and neither am I convinced by Penellos explanation. The fact that his post left holes that X1 fans are having to 'patch' shows just how unhelpful it was.
I really think you're looking for something where there isn't anything.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Build expired? LOL
Other beta testers would have gotten the latest build and continued. He couldn't because his live access was banned. Just my theory
Megatron
Member
If the build expiring forces you to get back online to download an update to continue playing your offline games, how is this different than the proposed 24 hour check in? Will builds never do this after launch?
Albert Penello
Member
Twice right. Notice the part in my post where I mention I took a new build right before his tweet?
OK I have to be up at 4:30am to catch a plane. Hopefully people understand what's going on, if not it appears like Rhindles guesses are pretty good.
Edit: also reread my post. All of this is unique to the prerelease. When the 'real' Day One patch goes live, the console will work just like you expect.
FaintColt388301
Member
The controversy is that somebody who downloaded the patch and was able to play games offline, now can't play games offline for some reason. Yes he was banned but that shouldn't affect his ability to play games offline. It seemed as if it was a DRM thing leftover in the system or issued by the publisher of the game but panello said there was never any DRM put on the system. So the question is why can't he play games. Is it just a pre release broken OS thing or is there something we don't know
If its just the OS, I'm sure Sony could do the same thing, if its a patch that changes/fucks/disables the OS. Its nothing nefarious if its that.
Brain of J
Banned
Other than as an academic exercise, why on earth would you care or even think they should divulge every pre-release detail?
Yes. If you don't get each new update.
The final build will not have an expiration date.
● Patch does not remove DRM, it installs a finalized OS. Therefore, this problem cannot be due to DRM.
● It is not a Call of Duty issue because, according to Penello, the patch just updates it to the latest version.
● This guy said he was banned and was playing single player still. However 24 hours later he is unable to play Call of Duty single player.
● PS4 box of Call of Duty has "offline enabled." Why? No other games seem to have this label. Xbox One version doesn't have that, but doesn't seem to indicate much (Knack is missing remote play on back of its box, for example).
● crazy buttocks seems to imply agreement with the individual who suggests that DRM was removed at the OS level, but that it can still but is still possible game to game. However, this is technically not really different from the way PS4 is set up, so the question is whether it's actually being implemented on XBO whereas it's not being done elsewhere.
● There are camels, pink dogs and flying cows in the mirror. They are scaring me
● It is not a Call of Duty issue because, according to Penello, the patch just updates it to the latest version.
● This guy said he was banned and was playing single player still. However 24 hours later he is unable to play Call of Duty single player.
● PS4 box of Call of Duty has "offline enabled." Why? No other games seem to have this label. Xbox One version doesn't have that, but doesn't seem to indicate much (Knack is missing remote play on back of its box, for example).
● crazy buttocks seems to imply agreement with the individual who suggests that DRM was removed at the OS level, but that it can still but is still possible game to game. However, this is technically not really different from the way PS4 is set up, so the question is whether it's actually being implemented on XBO whereas it's not being done elsewhere.
● There are camels, pink dogs and flying cows in the mirror. They are scaring me
I think I had this once with my copy of Windows Vista....
WHY DAY ONE UPDATE THEN????
Seems to be the case. Remember that anything being downloaded before day 1 isn't meant for consumers.
Its the OS. Like, all of it basically.
My favorite explanation of the situation from an article of an MS Exec saying something was something along the lines of
"The XB1 doesn't ship with an OS."
That's a much easier message. And I suggest you use it over and over again.
"The XB1 doesn't ship with an OS."
That's a much easier message. And I suggest you use it over and over again.