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STEAM 2013 Announcements & Updates VIII - Don't ask when the sales are starting.

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Arthea

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For the uninitiated, if I had to choose between purchasing Gods & Kings, or Brave New World, which should I go for? I would assume Brave New World, since it has all of the mechanics from G&K, and is only missing the G&K specific civilizations.

There best way now is to buy Gold Edition which includes dlcs and Gods and Kings and then wait for BNW price to drop some, that's what I'm doing.

edited: actually I bought vanilla, and much later gold, but I wouldn't recommend vanilla now.
 
There best way now is to buy Gold Edition which includes dlcs and Gods and Kings and then wait for BNW price to drop some, that's what I'm doing.

edited: actually I bought vanilla, and much later gold, but I wouldn't recommend vanilla now.
I bought the gold edition during the summer sale, haven't touched it yet.
 

Knurek

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There are some games I own that scare the fuck out of me.

Mount & Blade: Warband, Civ5, FM2013.
Huge, huge timesinks, which I know I will get into the second I try running them.
I should just unistall them to not tempt the fate.
 
There are some games I own that scare the fuck out of me.

Mount & Blade: Warband, Civ5, FM2013.
Huge, huge timesinks, which I know I will get into the second I try running them.
I should just unistall them to not tempt the fate.

166 hours for me, I started in early August. I haven't even stuck with one character, since I kept making new ones. But now I'm sticking with one female character I made, gonna be Queen someday! I don't even know why I have other games installed on my HDD, I keep going back to this.
 

Grief.exe

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For the uninitiated, if I had to choose between purchasing Gods & Kings, or Brave New World, which should I go for? I would assume Brave New World, since it has all of the mechanics from G&K, and is only missing the G&K specific civilizations.

There are a few options that were mentioned.

As you said, all of the mechanics come with BNW anyways so, Gold Version + BNW or just Vanilla + BNW. It stacks all of the DLC purchased under the standard Civ V app in Steam, so it doesn't matter how you do it.

I just went G&K + Vanilla since I want to work my way from the ground up and don't want to get too overwhelmed with BNW + G&K mechanics.

I does, that's what so good and so scary about it. At the moment you start a game, you are sucked in and there is nothing you can do.
Why France? Always go for that smug Alexander or you'll regret it.

France was just in the way with how they expanded.

I essentially horseshoed my civilization right around France's capital cities. Then when France went to expand, it essentially sliced my civilization in half.

Now I control Orleans and I am about to take Paris.
 

The-Bean

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I had Civ V sitting in my library installed for over a year and decide to finally give it a go at the beginning of September. Played a good 40 hours then bought BNW. Now it's my 4th most played game on Steam at 148 hours, and it's been almost a month since I last played it. I'm afraid if I start it again I'll be up all night. <.<
 

Arthea

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I bought the gold edition during the summer sale, haven't touched it yet.

I don't want to be responsible for you abandoning everything and everyone for infinite periods of time, but you should at least try it :)

There are some games I own that scare the fuck out of me.

Mount & Blade: Warband, Civ5, FM2013.
Huge, huge timesinks, which I know I will get into the second I try running them.
I should just unistall them to not tempt the fate.

Most games I like are in this scary category, I like pretty much any strategy game if it's well made, and usually the more complicated the better.
You have all reasons to be scared, the only way to do something at all is to stop playing them for some time (><)

France was just in the way with how they expanded.

I essentially horseshoed my civilization right around France's capital cities. Then when France went to expand, it essentially sliced my civilization in half.

Now I control Orleans and I am about to take Paris.

Ya, I hate when they do that, there is only way out of this situation - a war, it's even worse if your glorious empire is sliced into 3-4 parts.
 

Nabs

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jwtsonga

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If you're playing on laptop you can always expect to never hit max fps with any newer AAA titles.

yes of course, i always temper expectations with my mobility 5650 graphics. Always hoping for 720p and 25-30fps, with a combo of low and medium settings, with a bit of SMAA thrown in. Of course i also triple buffer and vsync to eliminate tearing. Most recent games have been fine, but AC4 might suck i feel. my cpu is a bottleneck (weak i3 330m - but 3 years ago when i bought it i was just a kid with no idea about pc gaming unfortunately)
 
I don't want to be responsible for you abandoning everything and everyone for infinite periods of time, but you should at least try it :)
I have it installed, but I tend to play shorter games first, Civ 5 is not high on the list, same with Crusader Kings 2.

And I just noticed the Worm games are on sale, what are the better ones?
 
There are some games I own that scare the fuck out of me.

Mount & Blade: Warband, Civ5, FM2013.
Huge, huge timesinks, which I know I will get into the second I try running them.
I should just unistall them to not tempt the fate.

If Disgaea ever makes it onto steam, god help me. It makes Civ look like ...well it is still a big time sink, but it isn't time sinks within time sinks within time sinks.
 

Bluth54

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I was planning on spending most of the weekend playing Assassin's Creed 4 and Valve has to go and announce a new major update for Team Fortress 2. Oh well.
 

Arthea

Member
If Disgaea ever makes it onto steam, god help me. It makes Civ look like ...well it is still a big time sink, but it isn't time sinks within time sinks within time sinks.

Don't remind me of Disgaeas, I yet have to play (3 and 4). If series ever will make to steam we are all doomed, all! (><)
 

wetflame

Pizza Dog
I get to work from home today as someone's coming to fix my fridge. This means I get to spend the day tackling my backlog. Wonderful stuff!
 

Copons

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How I feel after a night of Civ V.

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That game sucks away time like nothing else. I just had to wipe out France...

If you have conquered it instead of just pillaging everything, would you please change the Renault trucks horn with something manlier, please?
 

Caerith

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I just played my first game tonight. We need to do a little more research into how religions work within the game.

I'm in the industrial era and I still haven't been given the option to found a religion.
Are you generating faith? At the top menu (where it shows your gold, culture, etc), you'll see how much faith you're gaining and mousing over it says how close you are to (a chance for) a great prophet. When you start generating faith, you can found a pantheon and pick your belief; when you get a great prophet, you can expend it to start a religion and pick additional beliefs (founder and follower).

What beliefs do is provide bonuses. If you have, say, fertility rites, you get +10% population growth. There's one that provides +1 faith per desert tile (which can be huge), some that provide happiness or gold, etc. You should pick beliefs that work for you-- if you're not in a desert, don't pick the desert one, for instance-- and know that once you pick a belief, nobody else can (so it's kind of a race).

When you have a religion, you get a founder belief (if you found that religion) and any city that follows it gets the follower belief/bonus. Religion spreads via pressure-- the founding city starts with it, and exerts pressure on nearby cities, converting their citizens. You can use missionaries/prophets to actively exert pressure, or inquisitors to counter it. There's no victory condition or anything, but the belief bonuses can be pretty useful. You can also continue to add beliefs to a religion by spending more prophets.

The culture/tourism system in BNW is actually pretty similar, except there's a victory condition attached (and you can incite revolutions in civs with differing idealogies).
 
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How I feel after a night of Civ V.

what_year_is_it.jpg


That game sucks away time like nothing else. I just had to wipe out France...

Every grand strategy games leaves me like this. Have you played Europa Universalis btw?
 

Arthea

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If you have conquered it instead of just pillaging everything, would you please change the Renault trucks horn with something manlier, please?

I laughed. You are doing your job nicely, Copons. :)


I actually have problems spreading religion. It seems that advantage is with that leader which starts religion first, isn't it?
Bonuses are nice, that's true
 
I just played my first game tonight. We need to do a little more research into how religions work within the game.

I'm in the industrial era and I still haven't been given the option to found a religion.

You probably can't now. Only so many religions can be founded in a game and you may have missed the boat by quite a few era's.

Generally all religions are is 5 sets of added stats for the founder, and 3 sets for the follower. Religion can also be a modifier for your relationship with A.I. Civs and City-States. Usually these added stats revolve around added culture, happiness, science and faith bonuses per tiles, buildings, number of followers in a city, per # of cities, etc. Whatever the founder chooses. The earlier you found a religion, the more options you have.

What you want to do at the start of a game is research Pottery and build a Shrine at your earliest convenience. That will give you +1 faith per turn from that city. The more cities with Shrines you have, the more faith you'll accrue. Once you hit 20 Faith you can found a Pantheon. This is the initial set of religious stats and there are more to choose from the earlier your Pantheon is founded. You usually base your Pantheon bonus stats off of what luxury resources or tiles are around you. For example, if there are a lot of plantations (banana's, sugar, cotton, silk, oranges), you choose Oral Tradition and get +1 Culture from each plantation. You'll then need 200 more Faith to get your first Great Prophet. You can use this unit to found the religion of your choice, assign what bonuses you want as the founder and follower. A second Great Prophet will be required to add the second set of stat bonuses.

You can rush certain wonders to gain more faith faster, you can gain faith from discovered ruins, you can fully invest in the freedom policy track and choose a great prophet as your great person of choice. There's a number of ways to go about it if you're interested in the religious game. You generally want to focus on that early game because the later your game gets, the less religion matters.
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
Ubi oh-so wisely binding the Uplay screenshot function to the same default key as that of Steam seems to break screenshots. I wish I'd realised this earlier -- all my Black Flag screenshots are, uh, pitch black.
 
There are some games I own that scare the fuck out of me.

Mount & Blade: Warband, Civ5, FM2013.
Huge, huge timesinks, which I know I will get into the second I try running them.
I should just unistall them to not tempt the fate.

here's unsolicited advice from a guy who dumped a huge amount of time into these games starting from when i was 11 during the colonization/civ 1 era through to modern civs/paradox/total war franchises

i didn't go the cold turkey or limit play time / daily timer approach.

i suggest the balls to the wall hank hill smoke all the cigarettes approach.

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my advice is to get them out of your system while you're young. or when you do have relatively more free time (unemployed, or in high school, picked an easy major etc). let yourself fail at some other part of your life while you were busy conquering china for the nth time and then realize it was civ that was holding you back, and/or play so much of it that blobbing just holds no interest for you anymore.
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
My advice is to just look at them sitting in your library and revel in the knowledge that you own them.
 
Ubi oh-so wisely binding the Uplay screenshot function to the same default key as that of Steam seems to break screenshots. I wish I'd realised this earlier -- all my Black Flag screenshots are, uh, pitch black.
Like they are intentionally trying to screw PC gamers.
 

Copons

Member
Oh, now that we're talking about Civ5, I have to ask a couple of questions:

1) is there a way to put the real time clock back in the UI, like it was in Civ4? It was by far the most important thing I had displayed all the time...

2) I stopped playing Civ5 because I got annoyed by the extra long waiting time between turns (and also to wait for BNW). Is it a problem of my crappy Core 2 Duo (as I don't think RAM or GPU matters here), or is normal for powerful rigs too?
 

Arthea

Member
I totally aim to be the clown of SteamGAF so I'll be able to relieve our pains when we'll be downgraded in Community. :D

I mean your job in promoting ETS2, but I guess it goes both ways, so keep doing what you are doing ;)

Oh, now that we're talking about Civ5, I have to ask a couple of questions:

1) is there a way to put the real time clock back in the UI, like it was in Civ4? It was by far the most important thing I had displayed all the time...

2) I stopped playing Civ5 because I got annoyed by the extra long waiting time between turns (and also to wait for BNW). Is it a problem of my crappy Core 2 Duo (as I don't think RAM or GPU matters here), or is normal for powerful rigs too?

1. I'm not sure, but I think you can't.
2. You mean next turn literally processes for a long time? Because unless it's a huge, heavily populated world, it's not long. And when I started playing Civ 5 it was on older PC, i3 it was at that time :)
 

Caerith

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I actually have problems spreading religion. It seems that advantage is with that leader which starts religion first, isn't it?
Bonuses are nice, that's true
I think the cost for founding a pantheon/religion goes up every time someone founds a pantheon/religion? Which gives them a headstart in spreading it, yeah.

Very informative post.

Some civs are better suited for playing the religion game than others. The Celts, for example, get faith for unworked forests next to their cities, which can give them a huge headstart.
 
Oh, now that we're talking about Civ5, I have to ask a couple of questions:

1) is there a way to put the real time clock back in the UI, like it was in Civ4? It was by far the most important thing I had displayed all the time...

2) I stopped playing Civ5 because I got annoyed by the extra long waiting time between turns (and also to wait for BNW). Is it a problem of my crappy Core 2 Duo (as I don't think RAM or GPU matters here), or is normal for powerful rigs too?

With 1, it is just a mod away (from the workshop)
 

Caerith

Member
Oh, now that we're talking about Civ5, I have to ask a couple of questions:

1) is there a way to put the real time clock back in the UI, like it was in Civ4? It was by far the most important thing I had displayed all the time...

2) I stopped playing Civ5 because I got annoyed by the extra long waiting time between turns (and also to wait for BNW). Is it a problem of my crappy Core 2 Duo (as I don't think RAM or GPU matters here), or is normal for powerful rigs too?
2. You're going to have a bit of wait time, but there is a workaround. Just play as China, build up a lot of chu-ko-nus, and eliminate all but one civ from the game. The wait times will be much shorter then.
 

Milamber

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Somebody give a little love to Colonization. I feel like I'm the only one that played that as a kid. I came into Civilization late.
 

Milamber

Member
If Disgaea ever makes it onto steam, god help me. It makes Civ look like ...well it is still a big time sink, but it isn't time sinks within time sinks within time sinks.

Christ, I remember when I picked up the first Disgaea years ago. The improving weapons mechanic is crazy.
 

bkw

Member
I keep hearing a lot about Mount & Blade. Should I grab and try the one from the bundle stars bundle? Or is Warband the way to the go?
 

Acccent

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I'm cleaning my Steam friends list - that means adding nicknames to everyone so that I know who you are even if you change your steam name... and I already can't remember who everyone is :x
I did check the steam friends gaf thread but it's outdated and there are like 20 people in it.

So: who are allalright, Macatouille and TAARGUS?

Also can wetflame, Cloudius and phantomspiker confirm that they are using the same name on steam, to make sure no one's stealing their identity?

(I've also added some people, and if anyone else wants to add me feel free to do so!)
 

Milamber

Member
Oh, now that we're talking about Civ5, I have to ask a couple of questions:

2) I stopped playing Civ5 because I got annoyed by the extra long waiting time between turns (and also to wait for BNW). Is it a problem of my crappy Core 2 Duo (as I don't think RAM or GPU matters here), or is normal for powerful rigs too?

Play TF2 or ETS2 inbetween turns...


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mileS

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Ubi oh-so wisely binding the Uplay screenshot function to the same default key as that of Steam seems to break screenshots. I wish I'd realised this earlier -- all my Black Flag screenshots are, uh, pitch black.

same button here. mine are fine. not sure what is up?
 

The-Bean

Member
2) I stopped playing Civ5 because I got annoyed by the extra long waiting time between turns (and also to wait for BNW). Is it a problem of my crappy Core 2 Duo (as I don't think RAM or GPU matters here), or is normal for powerful rigs too?

My wait times aren't too bad, but my games usually end soon after entering the Atomic era. I haven't tried it, and have no idea what it actually does to help, but you could give this a go.
 
I just played my first game tonight. We need to do a little more research into how religions work within the game.

I'm in the industrial era and I still haven't been given the option to found a religion.

I will found Wuvcraftism.

The art of getting laid.

By tentacle monsters.
 

Milamber

Member
I think you can still get GRID 2 for 2 keys on steamtrades.com, even if there's no cockpit view, it's still a good deal.

I'm pretty new to this "Steamtrades". They're asking for 2 TF2 keys, but which one? Is GRID 2 region locked in any way?

EDIT: 2REF? 4REF!? Wut!?
 
I keep hearing a lot about Mount & Blade. Should I grab and try the one from the bundle stars bundle? Or is Warband the way to the go?

Get Warband, it's basically an updated version of M&B that also adds multiplayer. Most of the mods for the game require Warband.
 

Arthea

Member
I'm cleaning my Steam friends list - that means adding nicknames to everyone so that I know who you are even if you change your steam name... and I already can't remember who everyone is :x
I did check the steam friends gaf thread but it's outdated and there are like 20 people in it.

So: who are allalright, Macatouille and TAARGUS?

Also can wetflame, Cloudius and phantomspiker confirm that they are using the same name on steam, to make sure no one's stealing their identity?

(I've also added some people, and if anyone else wants to add me feel free to do so!)

I think you aren't on my fl, so I'll add you later.
It goes without saying that all steamgaf is welcome to my fl, I like seeing what you guys are up to ;)
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
same button here. mine are fine. not sure what is up?

Hmm, I'm not sure what it is. In addition to rebinding Uplay's screenshot key I also disabled the Rivertuner OSD and triple buffering (achieved via D3DOverrider) but my screenshots are still buggered.


Haha, I have that bookmarked. ;) Tumblr is, at least in this case, actually a good source of info if you don't mind the gifs and cross-blog stories that use "face claims" for their characters.
 

Hasney

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I'm pretty new to this "Steamtrades". They're asking for 2 TF2 keys, but which one? Is GRID 2 region locked in any way?

EDIT: 2REF? 4REF!? Wut!?

It'll be 2 of the regular crate keys.

Ref can be used for the equivalent in keys, whatever the exchange rate is these days.
 
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