PhysX is actually a software solution provided by Nvidia, not just powered by the specific hardware.
*2010 hardware.
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Nvidia: Gamers should not limit their options to PS4/XB1; PC is the way to go
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PhysX is actually a software solution provided by Nvidia, not just powered by the specific hardware.
*2010 hardware.
SwiftDeath
Member
Yeah no. Let me ask you this if the only place you could buy milk or whatever was from a single place. What would make getting that convenient or inconvenient?
It may be convenient because you are already stopping there to fill up -> Which is more convenient than going to the next closest place, relative
there is a petrol station on the way home from work -> Which is more convenient than going to a farther place, relative
It's an entirely relative concept.
I assume he played it on PC.
Garrus Vakarian
Member
Maybe so he gets a decent framerate in new games? How is that hard to understand?
Not sure what you mean. I was saying that even though Uncharted has better writing and characters, I prefer Tomb Raider on my PC mostly because of 1080p60. But, tbh I think TR is better mechanically as well. Some of that is that the doubling of frame rate, but the basic shooting and cover stuff was better in TR for me. Mission design is debatable, but probably give the edge to TR again.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
But durr durr salt is my favorite phrase.
Nvidia's biggest fear is PC gamers going console instead of upgrading, and launch is the time where there's the most parity in terms of price/performance. That's why they're campaigning so hard. AMD is playing both sides of the field so they win either way. They have nothing to worry about.
Nvidia's statements are coming off as insecure and bitter in comparison. People can use whatever phrasing that suits them.
Is this a sweet billy reference? Cause I laughed.
-MD-
Member
Can do that on PC now too.
More like a custom parts shop telling you that a Ferrari is the only way to drive anywhere, and not a Honda or Ford. Despite the fact that all have the ability to get you where you need to go, but due to 'speed limits', they'll all be forced to only go the speed limit.
Stupid analogy aside, they're just bitter because AMD is cleaning up with sales of its chips in the new consoles. That we've had the most successful console launches ever. Nvidia is just mad because their Shield device was also a flop.
-MD-
Member
So Nvidia is insecure & bitter because they're campaigning to keep profits up and to hold onto their current customers?
Oh, ok.
jim-jam bongs
Member
More convenient is relative, convenient is not. You just gave an example which still relies on having a comparison, but that's not necessary. If there was literally only one place you could buy milk in the entire world, the distance to that place and whether you passed by it regularly would still define its convenience despite having nothing with which to compare it.
So you didn't read my post, gotcha.
This 'elitism' is often exaggerated and tends to be tossed around anytime PC gamers start stating facts that make console gamers uncomfortable. Its not that they don't exist, its that people around here far too often take people being informative and enthusiastic as being condescending and 'elitist'.
I'm guessing there is some kind of restrictions that you're leaving out.
They're coming off as bitter because they didnt resort to cheap tactics last time they were part of the console industry.
-MD-
Member
I can access my friends steam library as long as he's not playing a game. Any game he owns I have instant access to.
Steam offers this.
jim-jam bongs
Member
This just in, telling the truth and trying to attract customers is now a "cheap tactic".
prag16
Banned
I've always been an Nvidia guy. But AMD will be under consideration for the next upgrade now that they've allegedly gotten their software house in order.
As for an SSD... once you go SSD using anything else is horrendously painful as I'm sure you're aware. It's absolutely night and day. Best upgrade evar.
Valve needs to fix that though. They should allow you to play another game while a friend is playing one of your games. But as it is now, it's a start in the right direction.
-MD-
Member
You didn't know? Any company trying to advertise their products and make money are clearly bitter and salty if they're resorting to such cheap tactics.
Here is the man himself telling the TRUTH, skip to the 21 minute mark and be amazed, mind-blown and what not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtZ-rK349aY
Never change Nvidia.
jim-jam bongs
Member
Still angry over something from 8 years ago which has nothing to do with this thread?
Damn, son. You're salty.
It has everything to do with this thread and the point I was making (last time they were in consoles, they sang a different tune)
How old are you?
so is AMD better with drivers/support now? When I bought my 580 in 2010, Nvidia was clearly superior supporting games at launch with new drivers. It also was way ahead in 3D support and AA techniques. I doubt I'll switch to AMD, but I'm open to it. Right now my plan is to buy an 800 series card this summer. By then we'll see what is needed to run the console ports at 1080p60 maxed.
-MD-
Member
A year ago when I had my 6850 they sucked, replaced it with a 660ti. Dunno about now though.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
People keep saying nvidia is salty for not having their hardware in consoles. Except the profit margin there is razor thin according to sites I have read about the issue on. They don't even get much brand awareness because everything is branded as a sony product.
SwiftDeath
Member
Ah see that's what I thought you'd say but even in that instance the station is convenient because of distance lets say only in comparison to the fact that it could've been farther away. Same holds true for everything else
Some people said this when the Xbox first came out.
These things don't always work out the way you think. Developers are very good at finding new and exciting ways to hobble PC ports. See the latest NFS port, for example.
I hope this generation will be different from the past couple, but I'm not holding my breath, here.
the only reason amd got both contracts is because they were willing to do it for way less since they're way worse off financially
nvidia didn't need to bother, all the markets they're focusing on now are much higher margin
Im sorry "PC only gamers" but i just cannot fathom how someone with a love for gaming could survive on just PC gaming. As much as i love the rig i built last summer with a 3770k and 7970 VaporX...there is absolutely NO WAY i could sleep good at night not having a PS4 as a companion to my gaming rig. There are just way too many AAA games coming to the PS4 that will never make it over to the PC. I am not missing out on all those games...no F'n way!!
jim-jam bongs
Member
Who cares? It's still not a "cheap tactic" to point out the strengths of your products and try to attract customers by suggesting that people buy your stuff, even if it is different to something that you've said before.
You're still misconstruing the Wikipedia quote you yourself posted. You used it to support the notion that you needed to compare something to an inconvenient thing for it to be considered convenient; however the relativity of convenience refers to the inherent qualities of a thing, not the existence of one convenient thing and one inconvenient thing.
googleplex
Member
Sorry but no. The Elitism come from the more terrible PC fanboys that are insisting that playing on PC is the only play "true gamers" should be playing. PC Gaf has become down right terrible ever since the PS4 initial reveal.
-MD-
Member
What about the Wii U and Xbox One games? Or do those conveniently not matter?
Claude Kenni
Member
I'm really not sure why lots of console owners feel the need to believe the more profitable of the two companies is distraught about not having their hardware in consoles. As if being involved in console gaming is more important than anything else.
Some people can't just enjoy their purchases anymore can they? If you view every single thing through a prism resultant from bias your views are going to be rather skewed. It's rather sad to watch.
Some people can't just enjoy their purchases anymore can they? If you view every single thing through a prism resultant from bias your views are going to be rather skewed. It's rather sad to watch.
hemtae
Member
It would suck being tied down to any one platform.
it's also an inherently different beast of fanboydom.
PC gaming does has its equivalent of proprietary cheer-leading console fanboys, but they largely dwell in the darkest depths of B3D or anandtech boards, crusading in the name of whichever part manufacturer they've chosen to ally themselves with. nvidia vs. AMD arguments in those places can make console wars look like gentlemanly skirmish.
but to be a fan of open platform hardware is something else entirely.
a sony fan is going to be a sony fan. they're going to be singing the praises of the one hardware specification that sony has chosen for them, they're going to push the few exclusive titles sony studios are cooking up and they're going to be evangelising whatever proprietary features sony has deemed necessary to include in their software.
a fan of open platform hardware has no such binds. there are certain custodians and gatekeepers, but the core principle is one of preference.
when a person is trying to argue the case for buying a particular console, they are arguing that you buy a set standard from a single platform holder and pay penance to them with every transaction.
when a person is trying to argue the case for buying "a PC", there is no sole proprietary beneficiary which they are doing the legwork for and spec recommendation threads are the purest form of meritocracy you'll find in this industry.
it's this element of preference which results in so many converts coming and singing the PC's praises with perhaps excessive fervor. of course they're going to be impressed, they're cheating, they personally tailored their whole gaming experience to exactly what they wanted.
Well obviously you care and so does Nvidia, which is why they feel threatened and feel the need to stop gamers from flocking the console market.
who has even said that in this thread?
For single GPU computers, their drivers haven't "sucked" in quite some time. Sure, they could be better and they have improved quite a bit lately on some stuff. But for the most part there hasn't been any big problems with newly released games.
When I had my 6950 (2011-this summer) I rarely had any big problems with drivers. Rage is the only game that comes to mind right now.
And it hasn't been a perfect experience with Nvidia either for the ~6 months I've had my 680. Both companies release good and bad drivers.
SwiftDeath
Member
Please give me an example of something that is convenient that is not relative to itself or something else
I.E an example of convenience not being relative
Gonna have to change that avatar for people to take you seriously.
jim-jam bongs
Member
I don't really care, these threads are just funny. I make fun of the absurd things people say, giggle at how clever I am and then go to bed in a giant racing car (green). And I'm sure that Nvidia do care about their sales, suggesting otherwise would be ridiculous; they don't care about whether their current statements are in line with ones they made 8 years ago, which is what I was actually replying to.
Wow man you re really digging up your own hole.
The only thing they do is (rightfully) sayong that what they participate in making can be better than consoles.
You really think it will stop people from buying consoles or that they re utopic enough to think that? Cmon.
SwiftDeath
Member
jim-jam bongs
Member
You're all over the place here. Now you're asking for something which has nothing to do with what you and ghst were even arguing. If something is only convenient because certain qualities of it make it so, and there is no other thing possessing qualities with which it might be compared, then your initial argument doesn't hold water.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
No, it's because a large portion of that campaign is focused on denigrating consoles rather than celebrating PC gaming.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
What truth?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Company invested in PC hardware wants people to buy PC hardware. Shocker!
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