Is Knack doing the Bernie!? LOLOL
It would be a false dichotomy if I tried to imply that one wasn't possible with the other. That's not what I'm saying, so the question remains the same. Of course, I also prefer better graphics with better gameplay, that's not even a question.That's a false dichotomy. I'll take a deep gameplay experience that's also a graphical showcase, thanks.
Why is that? One can enjoy beautiful graphics as well. And there are also Nintendo fans who prioritize the graphics over the gameplay (which is demonstrated by the large amount of Nintendo fans that consider Zelda WW to be the best 3D Zelda).you should probably remind the wii u posters dropping screengrabs of mario in the 'next gen screenshots' thread that they are acting against their self-interest.
If Nintendo made a console graphically on par with PS4 or XBOne I wouldn't be enjoying the WiiU gamepad.polyh3dron said:Well Nintendo should've made a console that was graphically on par with PS4 and XBone and they should've made a true successor to Galaxy or a successor to the design in SM64. It's Nintendo's fault that they are in the position they are currently in with a console that is yet again a generation behind MS and Sony in terms of graphical power, and it is their fault that they have been commissioning their first party studios to create games that don't even take advantage of the power in this relatively underpowered console.
But they're not interested in gaming itself, they're using the games as a mean to find what interests them the most.Aizu_Itsuko said:But there are people who invest a lot of time playing all those games. They are interested in gaming, even if they are not interested in the same type of games as this so called "hardcore gamers" are. So I would argue that the definition is kind of flawed.
If these next few years hurt enough, they will have to. Companies are slaves to their consumers: provide the product they want, or die.
Can we all stop doing this? Dismissing any failure of any product as being due to 'marketing' is lazy, and ignores the actual market forces that caused that failure. I see this all kind of thinking all the time on GAF and it is annoying as fuck.
The Wii U is not a compelling product at any price point over, say, 100 USD.
I know that AAAs are put off with Nintendo 1st parties outselling and overshadowing them, but has Nintendo been a dick in the past? More so than Sony or MS?
I very much doubt Nintendo are slaves to their consumers otherwise the N64 and GameCube wouldn't have turned out the way they did. They'll keep plodding along doing their own thing regardless.
Any one with a PS4 shouldn't sleep on Knack. Fun and Challenging game. 7.5/10
Is Knack doing the Bernie!? LOLOL
If Nintendo made a console graphically on par with PS4 or XBOne I wouldn't be enjoying the WiiU gamepad.
If Nintendo made a "safe" bet like a Galaxy 3 or a Mario 64-2 I wouldn't be playing at a 3D multi-player Mario.
Yes, it's Nintendo's fault to be where they're and as I'm saying, they will have to do what you are saying in order to survive, to ditch any innovation and to limit their offers to gameplay formulas that have been completely consolidated without offering anything new (innovations cost money, and this money is better invested on having an engine that can draw 1000 extra particles on the air it seems).
If Nintendo made a console graphically on par with PS4 or XBOne I wouldn't be enjoying the WiiU gamepad.
If Nintendo made a "safe" bet like a Galaxy 3 or a Mario 64-2 I wouldn't be playing at a 3D multi-player Mario.
Yes, it's Nintendo's fault to be where they're and as I'm saying, they will have to do what you are saying in order to survive, to ditch any innovation and to limit their offers to gameplay formulas that have been completely consolidated without offering anything new (innovations cost money, and this money is better invested on having an engine that can draw 1000 extra particles on the air it seems).
If Nintendo made a console graphically on par with PS4 or XBOne I wouldn't be enjoying the WiiU gamepad.
If Nintendo made a "safe" bet like a Galaxy 3 or a Mario 64-2 I wouldn't be playing at a 3D multi-player Mario.
I think you're using the term "innovation" a tad too loosely. The Wii U's gamepad is anything but. It's a rather obvious move that comes from seeing multi-touch smartphones and tablets taking over. Except in the Wii U's case, the gamepad isn't even multi-touch, and uses an ugly, low-res TN display because Nintendo was trying to churn it out as cheaply as possible.
As it is, the actual application of the gamepad to significantly improve gameplay has been an exceedingly rare occurrence on the Wii U. Look no further than Nintendo's new flagship title to see that.
How did a thread about the PS4's success turn into a Wii U / Nintendo thread exactly? (aside from the raw tears about sales of Knack > Mario)
Was Knack a "bundled" game? As in: "You bought a PS4. Here. Have KNACK with it for free."
How did a thread about the PS4's success turn into a Wii U / Nintendo thread exactly? (aside from the raw tears about sales of Knack > Mario)
Was Knack a "bundled" game? As in: "You bought a PS4. Here. Have KNACK with it for free."
Was Knack a "bundled" game? As in: "You bought a PS4. Here. Have KNACK with it for free."
It was an official bundle though it wasn't free. I bought mine for £385.
I Knack ends outselling SMW3D worldwide... my sides.
As it is, the actual application of the gamepad to significantly improve gameplay has been an exceedingly rare occurrence on the Wii U. Look no further than Nintendo's new flagship title to see that.
And how did that turn out? Companies are slaves to consumer demand by definition. They can do only what people want, otherwise they will not exist.
I personally think this is a PS2ish scenario.
How did a thread about the PS4's success turn into a Wii U / Nintendo thread exactly? (aside from the raw tears about sales of Knack > Mario)
It may surprise you to learn that the UK is not as big as NA.the NA number was a lot more impressive. 250k = meh
guess not many gamers in the UK
Nope, it demonstrates that this industry has been invaded completely by the cancer it started on the PS era, people that played videogames because they became "cool" thanks to the CGI.
Outside of a few indie titles, I don't think investing in innovative or well designed gameplay mechanichs is worth it anymore.
Once you have:
1. Graphics
2. Plot
3. Graphics
4. Graphics
Covered, you can forget about everything else. It's a bit what happened on the cinema industry when the CG effects appeared and tons of people wanted that at any cost, but with the difference that the cinema was something cool way before the appearance of the CG effects, and cinema critics were always aware that good CG is something that won't make a movie good.
The difference is that besides 4 or 5 "frikis" videogames were always considered like a regular toy and they weren't considered "mainstream entertainment" until the CGI arrived.
The "videogame critics" are, most of them, a product of this massification, so unlike with what happened with the cinematographic industry, that always had a renowned and recognised expert crowd that always had on mind what make a good film good, on the videogame industry those who care about playability and those things are not only a minority, but also the ones being considered "frikis" or "not cool" by the mainstream.
I eventually will get a PS4 when it has GAMES that are worth it, but this "consumer fever" for mediocre games with "next-gen" graphics demonstrates that this trend is unavoidable.
How many media will give The Last of Us their GOTY 2013? Can anyone tell me what has The Last of Us in terms of gameplay design, or even scenario design, to make it a GOTY? I'll answer that, absolutely nothing.
But it has the best graphics ever made on a PS3 and one of the best plots of the videogame history, and that's more than enough.
This is what I was saying. The WiiU is being sold at a lost right now, but instead of focusing on the chipset, it tried to evolve gaming with a gamepad that that allowed for asymetrical gameplay or other UI innovations.
Why isn't it a "great console"? Because as I said, nothing matters besides polygons to the "mainstream".
I've been saying that for years, the only difference between my aunt who plays Wii-Fit to lose some kilos and the poster I've quoted is that my aunt it's pretty conscious that she doesn't know anything about videogaming and she won't try to influence the industry to go towards a direction where everything are Wii-Fits and the likes.
the uk has about 1/5 the population of the us.the NA number was a lot more impressive. 250k = meh
guess not many gamers in the UK
the uk has about 1/5 the population of the us.
I'm thinking in unit totals.You will never see a PS2 scenario ever again. Sorry. Don't get your hopes up.
I think there are tons of gamers who want to play Nintendo games and Nintendo like games. They just don't want to buy another console to do it. I think Sony and even Microsoft have a shot at selling software to those people. It needs to be top tier stuff in order to do that but it can be done if they are smart about it. Sony used to do it all the time during the PS2 era. There is no reason why their consoles have to be strict dudebro machines.
Will be interesting when Sony brings the Juggernaut Gran Tourismo to the PS4.in 2018
I'm thinking in unit totals.
Nintendo gameplay is the one that brings more smiles to more faces.
That's never happening either.
There's technically been a higher proportion of PS4s bought in the UK than there is in the US compared to the respective populations. Having a quarter of US's day one sales when you have less than a fifth of the population is more than impressive.the NA number was a lot more impressive. 250k = meh
guess not many gamers in the UK
Was Knack a "bundled" game? As in: "You bought a PS4. Here. Have KNACK with it for free."
How did a thread about the PS4's success turn into a Wii U / Nintendo thread exactly? (aside from the raw tears about sales of Knack > Mario)
the NA number was a lot more impressive. 250k = meh
guess not many gamers in the UK
In Nintendo's case they eventually struck gold with the Wii with their approach to things that said the success to failure ratio isn't in their favour in the slightest at 1:3.
In the thread title:
"outsells Wii U LTD in UK"
You will never see a PS2 scenario ever again. Sorry. Don't get your hopes up.
Yeah, but the thread is more about the complete success of the PS4, and the real story here is about how well received that console is. Not to say Wii U isn't a complete failure in almost every sense of the word, but we knew that already, it didn't take PS4 completely obliterating it to know that.