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PS4 fastest-selling console in UK history, outsells Wii U LTD in UK [250K PS4 in 48h]

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Wynnebeck

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djplaeskool said:
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Is Knack doing the Bernie!? LOLOL
 
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freezamite

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SmokyDave said:
That's a false dichotomy. I'll take a deep gameplay experience that's also a graphical showcase, thanks.
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It would be a false dichotomy if I tried to imply that one wasn't possible with the other. That's not what I'm saying, so the question remains the same. Of course, I also prefer better graphics with better gameplay, that's not even a question.

You for example have already answered that question. It's fine, and although you will of course prefer a deeper gameplay over a simpler one, when it comes to gameplay vs graphics you chose graphics as you've said yourself.

you should probably remind the wii u posters dropping screengrabs of mario in the 'next gen screenshots' thread that they are acting against their self-interest.
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Why is that? One can enjoy beautiful graphics as well. And there are also Nintendo fans who prioritize the graphics over the gameplay (which is demonstrated by the large amount of Nintendo fans that consider Zelda WW to be the best 3D Zelda).

polyh3dron said:
Well Nintendo should've made a console that was graphically on par with PS4 and XBone and they should've made a true successor to Galaxy or a successor to the design in SM64. It's Nintendo's fault that they are in the position they are currently in with a console that is yet again a generation behind MS and Sony in terms of graphical power, and it is their fault that they have been commissioning their first party studios to create games that don't even take advantage of the power in this relatively underpowered console.
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If Nintendo made a console graphically on par with PS4 or XBOne I wouldn't be enjoying the WiiU gamepad.
If Nintendo made a "safe" bet like a Galaxy 3 or a Mario 64-2 I wouldn't be playing at a 3D multi-player Mario.
Yes, it's Nintendo's fault to be where they're and as I'm saying, they will have to do what you are saying in order to survive, to ditch any innovation and to limit their offers to gameplay formulas that have been completely consolidated without offering anything new (innovations cost money, and this money is better invested on having an engine that can draw 1000 extra particles on the air it seems).

This is why I'm saying that this will probably be my last generation of consoles, or at least, the last one I'm so interested in.
If Nintendo makes what you say, then I won't be interested on Nintendo anymore.

It's as simple as that. I'm not even blaming the industry, the market and the people have spoken and there's nothing more to say.

Aizu_Itsuko said:
But there are people who invest a lot of time playing all those games. They are interested in gaming, even if they are not interested in the same type of games as this so called "hardcore gamers" are. So I would argue that the definition is kind of flawed.
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But they're not interested in gaming itself, they're using the games as a mean to find what interests them the most.
I mean, someone that has put 10000 hours drawing on "Art Academy" it's not a hardcore gamer, even when he has played more than what most players.

It's not a matter of how much anyone play but of "why do they play". Since games nowadays can be used as a mean to cover lots of interests, it's how more than how much.
 
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VXLbeast said:
If these next few years hurt enough, they will have to. Companies are slaves to their consumers: provide the product they want, or die.
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I very much doubt Nintendo are slaves to their consumers otherwise the N64 and GameCube wouldn't have turned out the way they did. They'll keep plodding along doing their own thing regardless.
 
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JustinMay said:
Can we all stop doing this? Dismissing any failure of any product as being due to 'marketing' is lazy, and ignores the actual market forces that caused that failure. I see this all kind of thinking all the time on GAF and it is annoying as fuck.

The Wii U is not a compelling product at any price point over, say, 100 USD.
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Price isn't a problem for me at all. It's not a compelling product, period.

TrevHead said:
I know that AAAs are put off with Nintendo 1st parties outselling and overshadowing them, but has Nintendo been a dick in the past? More so than Sony or MS?
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They pulled probably the biggest dick move in gaming history and in doing so created the platform that will dominate this generation.


Steroyd said:
I very much doubt Nintendo are slaves to their consumers otherwise the N64 and GameCube wouldn't have turned out the way they did. They'll keep plodding along doing their own thing regardless.
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And how did that turn out? Companies are slaves to consumer demand by definition. They can do only what people want, otherwise they will not exist.
 
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Caode

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googleplex said:
Any one with a PS4 shouldn't sleep on Knack. Fun and Challenging game. 7.5/10
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I bought Knack over the weekend, decided to take a chance on it and after putting in a few hours I can't understand the slating that it got from the media, it's a fun game, challenging at times, it's simple and straight forward in it's design but I'm having a lot of fun with it, nowhere near as mediocre as it was made out to be.
 
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freezamite said:
If Nintendo made a console graphically on par with PS4 or XBOne I wouldn't be enjoying the WiiU gamepad.
If Nintendo made a "safe" bet like a Galaxy 3 or a Mario 64-2 I wouldn't be playing at a 3D multi-player Mario.
Yes, it's Nintendo's fault to be where they're and as I'm saying, they will have to do what you are saying in order to survive, to ditch any innovation and to limit their offers to gameplay formulas that have been completely consolidated without offering anything new (innovations cost money, and this money is better invested on having an engine that can draw 1000 extra particles on the air it seems).
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I don't understand where all this mutually exclusive stuff comes from. But I guess it's consistent with Nintendo's weird justifications, like "well there's no online MP because we think local MP is better".
 
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freezamite said:
If Nintendo made a console graphically on par with PS4 or XBOne I wouldn't be enjoying the WiiU gamepad.

If Nintendo made a "safe" bet like a Galaxy 3 or a Mario 64-2 I wouldn't be playing at a 3D multi-player Mario.

Yes, it's Nintendo's fault to be where they're and as I'm saying, they will have to do what you are saying in order to survive, to ditch any innovation and to limit their offers to gameplay formulas that have been completely consolidated without offering anything new (innovations cost money, and this money is better invested on having an engine that can draw 1000 extra particles on the air it seems).
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I think you're using the term "innovation" a tad too loosely. The Wii U's gamepad is anything but. It's a rather obvious move that comes from seeing multi-touch smartphones and tablets taking over. Except in the Wii U's case, the gamepad isn't even multi-touch, and uses an ugly, low-res TN display because Nintendo was trying to churn it out as cheaply as possible.

As it is, the actual application of the gamepad to significantly improve gameplay has been an exceedingly rare occurrence on the Wii U. Look no further than Nintendo's new flagship title to see that.
 
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How did a thread about the PS4's success turn into a Wii U / Nintendo thread exactly? (aside from the raw tears about sales of Knack > Mario)
 
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freezamite said:
If Nintendo made a console graphically on par with PS4 or XBOne I wouldn't be enjoying the WiiU gamepad.
If Nintendo made a "safe" bet like a Galaxy 3 or a Mario 64-2 I wouldn't be playing at a 3D multi-player Mario.
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Multiplayer Mario is only fun for so long, Galaxy was fun the whole way through. There were also no issues with misjudging platforming and recycled concepts in short bursts. Multiplayer Mario is not a game changer.
 
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Zinthar said:
I think you're using the term "innovation" a tad too loosely. The Wii U's gamepad is anything but. It's a rather obvious move that comes from seeing multi-touch smartphones and tablets taking over. Except in the Wii U's case, the gamepad isn't even multi-touch, and uses an ugly, low-res TN display because Nintendo was trying to churn it out as cheaply as possible.

As it is, the actual application of the gamepad to significantly improve gameplay has been an exceedingly rare occurrence on the Wii U. Look no further than Nintendo's new flagship title to see that.
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I was so excited when the Wii U was announced. When the DS came out I thought, "Why two screens?" But Nintendo proved to me that it was a great idea, and it was utilized in brilliant ways. So when the Wii U was announced, I said to a friend: "I can't wait for them to shoe us the game they built this tablet around. I can't even imagine what they are going to do with it."

I'm still waiting. And you are exactly right. It's pretty clear now they had no vision for the tablet, and that it was simply a waaaay late reaction to the tablet explosion.
 
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Gartooth said:
How did a thread about the PS4's success turn into a Wii U / Nintendo thread exactly? (aside from the raw tears about sales of Knack > Mario)
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Probably that small nugget of the PS4 outselling a years worth of WiiU sales in under 48hrs :p

Opinionatedfish said:
Was Knack a "bundled" game? As in: "You bought a PS4. Here. Have KNACK with it for free."
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It was an official bundle though it wasn't free. I bought mine for £385.
 
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Gartooth said:
How did a thread about the PS4's success turn into a Wii U / Nintendo thread exactly? (aside from the raw tears about sales of Knack > Mario)
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The simmering rage and confusion has cooled, and now the rest of us are having an awesome, civil discussion about the Wii U's problems while relaxing in a pool of fanboy tears.
 
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Opinionatedfish said:
Was Knack a "bundled" game? As in: "You bought a PS4. Here. Have KNACK with it for free."
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In the UK the games aren't 'free' it's an extra £50 at £399.99 and the game itself is £49.99 so your not saving anything. Obviously in another case people might be only buying the bundle because they just want a PS4 but the Killzone/FIFA/ACIV bundle are all £399.99 also.

Costs could be lower with some bundles between £385+.
 
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Cuyejo said:
I Knack ends outselling SMW3D worldwide... my sides.
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Won't happen.
There are tons of games coming out on PS4 while Mario is there to give WiiU owners something, anything, to buy.
Mario also tends to have longer legs due to the market Nintendo have been targeting these last 2 generations.
Knack will be a PS+ free title sooner rather than later also since it's an internal title that they don't have to negotiate a deal for PS+.
 
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Zinthar said:
As it is, the actual application of the gamepad to significantly improve gameplay has been an exceedingly rare occurrence on the Wii U. Look no further than Nintendo's new flagship title to see that.
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I feel like the last decade of Nintendo's gimmicks have always been neglected by the company. The best DS games barely used the touch screen. Waggle wasn't necessary for the Wii's heavy hitters, either. The 3D is the only one that they successfully employ in all their games and I turn that down half the time.
 
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VXLbeast said:
And how did that turn out? Companies are slaves to consumer demand by definition. They can do only what people want, otherwise they will not exist.
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In Nintendo's case they eventually struck gold with the Wii with their approach to things that said the success to failure ratio isn't in their favour in the slightest at 1:3.
 
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Great numbers!

I mean we won't know for certain what interest actually is until we hit slower months but as with their NA launch this is a hell of a showing.

I personally think this is a PS2ish scenario. It will have these hugely successful launches, be met with more game announcements (maybe even some exclusives), and it will all cascade from there.

"More for less." The PS4 has a legitimate claim on this. It's not a powerhouse itself. You can get a single GPU with more than double the theoretical capability of the PS4 alone. But it is much more powerful than One. And it's $100 less.

So good job Sony! We won't know until this time next year if it is paying off, but you've had the highest selling launches in some of the largest gaming markets. It may not mean it will be sustained, but hell of a show.
 
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freezamite said:
Nope, it demonstrates that this industry has been invaded completely by the cancer it started on the PS era, people that played videogames because they became "cool" thanks to the CGI.

Outside of a few indie titles, I don't think investing in innovative or well designed gameplay mechanichs is worth it anymore.
Once you have:
1. Graphics
2. Plot
3. Graphics
4. Graphics

Covered, you can forget about everything else. It's a bit what happened on the cinema industry when the CG effects appeared and tons of people wanted that at any cost, but with the difference that the cinema was something cool way before the appearance of the CG effects, and cinema critics were always aware that good CG is something that won't make a movie good.
The difference is that besides 4 or 5 "frikis" videogames were always considered like a regular toy and they weren't considered "mainstream entertainment" until the CGI arrived.

The "videogame critics" are, most of them, a product of this massification, so unlike with what happened with the cinematographic industry, that always had a renowned and recognised expert crowd that always had on mind what make a good film good, on the videogame industry those who care about playability and those things are not only a minority, but also the ones being considered "frikis" or "not cool" by the mainstream.

I eventually will get a PS4 when it has GAMES that are worth it, but this "consumer fever" for mediocre games with "next-gen" graphics demonstrates that this trend is unavoidable.
How many media will give The Last of Us their GOTY 2013? Can anyone tell me what has The Last of Us in terms of gameplay design, or even scenario design, to make it a GOTY? I'll answer that, absolutely nothing.
But it has the best graphics ever made on a PS3 and one of the best plots of the videogame history, and that's more than enough.


This is what I was saying. The WiiU is being sold at a lost right now, but instead of focusing on the chipset, it tried to evolve gaming with a gamepad that that allowed for asymetrical gameplay or other UI innovations.
Why isn't it a "great console"? Because as I said, nothing matters besides polygons to the "mainstream".

I've been saying that for years, the only difference between my aunt who plays Wii-Fit to lose some kilos and the poster I've quoted is that my aunt it's pretty conscious that she doesn't know anything about videogaming and she won't try to influence the industry to go towards a direction where everything are Wii-Fits and the likes.
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I don't even.... What?

Look I know it sucks that the industry is currently loving FPS with cut scenes but here's a good advice from a turn based JRPG lover, deal with it/go indie.

It's unfair for you to state that gameplay only games that are lite on story (some nintendo games) are objectively better then non nintendo games. That's just like your opinion man

If you are a true gamer you would be playing all the amazing games on steam right now that some argue are more innovative than asymmetrical 2nd screen.
Slight sarcasm on the true gamer part.
 
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JustinMay said:
You will never see a PS2 scenario ever again. Sorry. Don't get your hopes up.
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I'm thinking in unit totals.

Not marketshare. Should have elaborated further. I do expect Sony in five years to be leading MS by at least 20-40 million units and Nintendo by 60-80 million units. Sony and MS numbers might be inflated much higher if either make a push for other emerging markets.
 
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Dr. Kitty Muffins said:
I think there are tons of gamers who want to play Nintendo games and Nintendo like games. They just don't want to buy another console to do it. I think Sony and even Microsoft have a shot at selling software to those people. It needs to be top tier stuff in order to do that but it can be done if they are smart about it. Sony used to do it all the time during the PS2 era. There is no reason why their consoles have to be strict dudebro machines.
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I get the feeling Sony wants to try and steal some of Nintendo's magic (not that they can just that they want to)

Games like puppeteer and tearaway. Future games like Rime

I think Sony is trying but they're in some odd middle ground between nintendo and MS

They value quality IP but are still risk-averse like most large publishers although not as badly as 3rd party pubs or imo as MS seems to be
 
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SniperHunter said:
the NA number was a lot more impressive. 250k = meh

guess not many gamers in the UK
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There's technically been a higher proportion of PS4s bought in the UK than there is in the US compared to the respective populations. Having a quarter of US's day one sales when you have less than a fifth of the population is more than impressive.
 
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SniperHunter said:
the NA number was a lot more impressive. 250k = meh

guess not many gamers in the UK
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The UK has 1/10 the population of North America. So if we're going by capita, North America saw 0.0019% of the population pick up a PS4 compared to 0.0039% in the UK. So double -- yet don't both figures show truly what a drop in the bucket gaming sales really are?
 
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Steroyd said:
In Nintendo's case they eventually struck gold with the Wii with their approach to things that said the success to failure ratio isn't in their favour in the slightest at 1:3.
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Haha, dude we aren't even talking about the same thing. Alright, carry on.
 
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zomgbbqftw said:
In the thread title:

"outsells Wii U LTD in UK"
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Yeah, but the thread is more about the complete success of the PS4, and the real story here is about how well received that console is. Not to say Wii U isn't a complete failure in almost every sense of the word, but we knew that already, it didn't take PS4 completely obliterating it to know that.
 
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JustinMay said:
You will never see a PS2 scenario ever again. Sorry. Don't get your hopes up.
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Thunder Monkey isn't some fanboy that has his hopes up over a PS2 scenario. He's just making an honest prediction based on early sales.

I mostly agree with him, but I still believe MS will take US.
 
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Raist

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Gartooth said:
Yeah, but the thread is more about the complete success of the PS4, and the real story here is about how well received that console is. Not to say Wii U isn't a complete failure in almost every sense of the word, but we knew that already, it didn't take PS4 completely obliterating it to know that.
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Sure, but it certainly puts all the "well WiiU doesn't sell because console gaming is dying" nonsense to a final rest.
 
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