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[onQ123]

How do we know all those people are there to get PS4s? For all we know this video could have been taken at a Justin Bieber concert.

 

[NullPointer]

Hey, whats going on in this thre--

OK, I see. Thanks

 

[fabricated backlash]

It doesn't even have to be that early. If the PS4/Xbone only last 6 years, Nintendo can squeeze another three years out of the Wii U before releasing another system. A four year cycle isn't that bad.



Increasing the Wii's life cycle wouldn't have changed how barren the software landscape was for the Wii, the problem is Nintendo can only make so much software on their own and there was little reason for third parties to support the Wii outside of games like Just Dance.

Nintendo just needs to stagger releases better and handle supporting multiple platforms. And I'm not suggesting completely switching to a 4-5 year console life cycle, but to do that just with the Wii U so they can find a way to refresh in the middle of their competitions life cycles. If Nintendo release a system in three years that is more comparable to the PS4, they will have less competition because there won't be any competitive hardware releases in the near future and won't be as looked down for being the weaker console.

Imagine if the Wii U didn't have a tablet controller, but instead released 4 years into the 360 and PS3 cycle. Suddenly the system is a lot more attractive to people directly comparing hardware numbers. Obviously this isn't the only answer for solving Nintendo's problems, but I think it could help.

I actually disagree. Unless they release hardware that is substantially stronger, no one is going to buy a new console halfway through a generation. By then the PS4 and Xbone will have a huge install base, a massive actively paying player base that will stay with their ecosystem.

For Nintendo to attract 3rd parties they'll have to provide a system that has a userbase that is willing to buy 3rd party games and I just don't see that happening anytime soon. Unless NIntendo completely goes out of it's way to attract PS/Xbox fans with compelling content, they won't get any support, now or later.

3rd parties have chosen their champions, and they have no interest in the market that Nintendo provides.

9 million for the fiscal year?

Yep, good lick with that.

At this point they'll be lucky to even hit 9 million LTD once they stop production.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

9 million for the fiscal year?

Yep, good lick with that.

They need to sell 8.5m units across the fourth and first quarters to meet the target. More than luck required. A lot more.

 

[Into]

If you're feeling sorry for me, I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but games ain't one.

I got Bayonetta on stack fa sho
Mario Kart gonna come out and ya’ll’s mouths’ll close
Game critics say U’s has no game is gettin old
I’m a gamer stupid what type of facts is those

All right stop
Collaborate and listen
Wii U is a failure
And you just dont want to listen
3D World is a bomb
And goomba is all up in here trying to twist it
So i suggest you grab your Mario doll and hold it tightly
As the PS4 goes on to sell daily and nightly
Will it ever stop?
The answer is no
The next 5 years will test your pain threshold

Word to Iwata

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Jesus WiiU is straight up getting thugged by the competition. Its like it has reached the point of no return. I really hope ninty drops its price to 200$ here in the US to give it one last chance if there is still any left. Cant let it fie without trying to revive it.

I honestly can't see a possible revival.
PS3 and 360 and Wii (if they're actually still selling them?) are going to be the go-to machines for the next year or two, for the more cost sensitive crowd. Vast library, cheap prices.
Meanwhile, PS4 and X1 are extremely sought by the "hardcore" (and i'm using quotation marks because otherwise freezamite might flip out) crowd and will start building up libraries already this year of stuff that you won't be playing on the WiiU.
And I didn't even bring PC's, handhelds, tablets and smartphones into the mix.

 

[Skilletor]

All right stop
Collaborate and listen
Wii U is a failure
And you just dont want to listen
3D World is a bomb
And goomba is all up in here trying to twist it
So i suggest you grab your Mario doll and hold it tightly
As the PS4 goes on to sell daily and nightly
Will it ever stop?
The answer is no
The next 5 years will test your pain threshold

Word to Iwata

hahahahahahahahahaha!

Word to Iwata killed me.

 

[fabricated backlash]

I honestly can't see a possible revival.
PS3 and 360 and Wii (if they're actually still selling them?) are going to be the go-to machines for the next year or two, for the more cost sensitive crowd. Vast library, cheap prices.
Meanwhile, PS4 and X1 are extremely sought by the "hardcore" (and i'm using quotation marks because otherwise freezamite might flip out) crowd and will start building up libraries already this year of stuff that you won't be playing on the WiiU.
And I didn't even bring PC's, handhelds, tablets and smartphones into the mix.

Yep. The market has rejected the WiiU.

 

[RulkezX]

Not sure if posted, but Sony are promising substantial further stock in the UK before Christmas.

Sony's PlayStation UK arm has said that it'll do its best to fulfil the demand from gamers still waiting for the PS4 in the UK.

In a note sent to MCV, UK MD Fergal Gara said, "We are delighted by the initial sales of PS4 and are proud to have set new records for a UK console launch.

"In particular, I want to thank all the gamers who have waited patiently for PS4 and who have come out to support PlayStation. I also want to thank all of our retail and publishing partners who have helped make this possible by delivering huge sales in a very short period of time and great games for PS4.

"Since the initial announcement back in February, pre-orders for PS4 have surpassed all expectations and we continue to work hard to fulfil the remainder of these pre-orders and to deliver additional consoles to the market for the many more gamers who want a PS4. Substantial further volumes of PS4 will arrive in the UK before Christmas."

 

[VXLbeast]

It never did, but you couldn't fucking tell anyone that shit early this year, without having someone jump down your throat.

Your throat is still not safe, trust me. The good news is, every time we have something like this that puts it into perspective for people, more and more people abandon the defense force. The better news, of course, would be Wii U succeeding and the defense force no longer being needed.

Very good. Kick them where it hurts. Only way they'll ever wake up to their hubris. It's too late for the WiiU, but it should finally drive the point home about how fucking horribly they screwed up.
It's kind of cathartic to see them getting destroyed on the market. It can only get better from here.

While not a popular opinion, it's one I share. I love Nintendo, so I want them to hurt. Bad. You would think they could only learn from this, but then again they said they had learned from the 3DS launch.

It's pretty much like the early PS3 days when it comes to some of the vocal Wii U fans. They haven't hit the acceptance part and continually claw at the walls when something goes down. I love the fuck out of some 'tendo, but they literally slept for an entire year and shat the bed in the process. I'm going to still get my Mario on and I know at least a dozen games are on the library's shortlist for the future, but the console can only ever see a "dignified third place" at best. That position will only come though if Nintendo shapes the fuck up and makes sure that even if they aren't in the arms race this round, they are still thinking about the consumers as a whole.

Very well put. Exactly what I think, but articulated better.

Another worry I have though, is that what little 3rd party ports the Wii U gets might dry up once cross-gen development comes to an end. Although, in the 1 or 2 years it takes for that to happen, I suppose Nintendo's situation will be changing, one way or another (talks of new console, or third party support no longer being financially viable).

 

[DoYouEvenLift?]

... Despite slow sales the Wii U should easily top 10 million units sold in its lifetime, and Nintendo can try again later...

If anything, a short life cycle for the Wii U might be very beneficial for Nintendo in the long run..

You can't be serious. "If anything" console sales shrinking more than 80% should be cause for panic inside Nintendo. As much as people like to bandy about Nintendo's "war chest" of funds and how it can sustain them through 3 or 4 Wii U sized failures, the investors would never (and should never) stand for it.

For starters, assuming Wii U will reach 20 million units sold is, at this moment, a pipe dream in and of itself. There's really no trend that indicates this is where it's gonna end up, but somehow 20m became this generally agreed upon number that Nintendo is gonna hit because they're Nintendo. I contend that you'll start to see sales of the Wii U worsen significantly next year as people find little reason to choose it over a PS4/XB1. My random guess is that they'll end up somewhere around 11-12 million.

But fuck it, let's assume they sell 20 million. Selling 20m units in an industry that just sold close to 300 million combined units last generation is abysmal. Can it be profitable? I guess so. I really don't know considering they are/were apparently selling the Wii U for a loss. But eaking out a tiny profit in the most complex and overhead filled way isn't generally a good idea. If they can eak out that same profit without all the complexity, research and development, labor, and supply chain management, why shouldn't they? And if there's a pretty good reason to believe that they can make an even larger profit by releasing their highly coveted games on more widely available consoles, the investors are going to start to think that avenue looks pretty good.

"If anything" the Wii U is the end of Nintendo's home console business. And it probably should be. They're not a technology company; they're a games company. Let them focus on games and let other people focus on hardware and infrastructure.

 

[fred]

I have no interest in the character, or the series aesthetics at all. You'd have to change a lot of stuff for me to have any interest. Not just remove Mario. The franchise has never personally appealed to me and I don't think it ever will. Knack is more interesting to me simply by default, which says more about how much I dislike Mario, as opposed to saying anything about Knack's quality.

I haven't played Knack, no idea whether I'd even like it, but I still want to try it. I'm completely indifferent towards 3D World, all the media I've seen has done absolutely nothing for me.

I despise Mario, he's the most annoying video game character ever created. There's only so many 'woo-hoos' and 'whee-hees' I can stand before I want to throw something at my telly. But Super Mario Galaxies 1 and 2 and Super Mario 3D World, by the looks of it so far, are 3 of the best games ever created. The level design for those games is off-the-scale and if 3D World plays anything like the Galaxy games then the gameplay is also going to be top-notch.

I hate Mario with a passion but I wouldn't be much of a gamer if I didn't play 3D World, albeit in small doses to save my telly lol.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

All right stop
Collaborate and listen
Wii U is a failure
And you just dont want to listen
3D World is a bomb
And goomba is all up in here trying to twist it
So i suggest you grab your Mario doll and hold it tightly
As the PS4 goes on to sell daily and nightly
Will it ever stop?
The answer is no
The next 5 years will test your pain threshold

Word to Iwata

Oh my god.

 

[Deadstar]

Everyone benefits from a PS4 power leveled Nintendo console. Customers can still buy 3rd party games with relevant graphics and they also get Nintendo's exclusives. It's a win win.

 

[justjohn]

And yet the ps3 is still insanely expensive.

 

[curb]

While not a popular opinion, it's one I share. I love Nintendo, so I want them to hurt. Bad. You would think they could only learn from this, but then again they said they had learned from the 3DS launch.

Sometimes this is what a company needs. Sony got kicked around a lot through the PS3's life - and rightly so - but they seem to have learned from it. Hopefully Nintendo will learn some valuable lessons from the Wii U.

 

[teiresias]

They need to sell 8.5m units across the fourth and first quarters to meet the target. More than luck required. A lot more.

I want to be listening in on the investor call when Iwata finally has to admit to not hitting that number - why it hasn't been revised yet is a mystery to me, it's just going to make saving face even harder.

 

[Zinthar]

Another worry I have though, is that what little 3rd party ports the Wii U gets might dry up once cross-gen development comes to an end. Although, in the 1 or 2 years it takes for that to happen, I suppose Nintendo's situation will be changing, one way or another (talks of new console, or third party support no longer being financially viable).

The Wii U's sales appear to be so poor that it may lose the remainder of its third party support even before cross-gen development completely ends. Somewhere right now there's a producer at Ubisoft who's really wishing that they had never announced a Wii U version of Watch Dogs.

 

[CSX]

All right stop
Collaborate and listen
Wii U is a failure
And you just dont want to listen
3D World is a bomb
And goomba is all up in here trying to twist it
So i suggest you grab your Mario doll and hold it tightly
As the PS4 goes on to sell daily and nightly
Will it ever stop?
The answer is no
The next 5 years will test your pain threshold

Word to Iwata

10/10 goddammm

 

[DrXym]

A wiiU pack is currently a black Friday lightening deal on Amazon UK, £50 off the just dance/Nintendo land/wiiu party pack.

Offer is about to expire, and only 10% have been claimed in those 3 hours.
At any time, thats bad. Right before Christmas though, its fucking pathetic.

I bought a £99 3DS in that sale. Suffering from slight buyer's remorse because a 3DS XL turned up at £139 incl MarioKart and I couldn't cancel out the earlier one.

What was remarkable is they took a very, very long time to sell out. And Wii U bundles were dead on arrival.

 

[onQ123]

All right stop
Collaborate and listen
Wii U is a failure
And you just dont want to listen
3D World is a bomb
And goomba is all up in here trying to twist it
So i suggest you grab your Mario doll and hold it tightly
As the PS4 goes on to sell daily and nightly
Will it ever stop?
The answer is no
The next 5 years will test your pain threshold

Word to Iwata

LOL

 

[spirity]

Look at the ape men. Not a shred of dignity!

 

[fabricated backlash]

Everyone benefits from a PS4 power leveled Nintendo console. Customers can still buy 3rd party games with relevant graphics and they also get Nintendo's exclusives. It's a win win.

Why would 3rd parties support any Nintendo console at this point? That boat has sailed. Nintendo has nothing to offer to most (if not all) 3rd parties that they can't get on other consoles/IOS/PC.

The WiiU might just be the death stroke for Nintendos home console department. All it takes is one fuck up to destroy a brand, and with Iwata at the helm I simply don't see Nintendo to change course. They'd rather run the ship into the ground than to adapt and admit defeat.

Still anything can happen, and stranger things certainly have, but I'm simply not confident that the current Nintendo is fit to compete at all in this market.

 

[Steroyd]

Sometimes this is what a company needs. Sony got kicked around a lot through the PS3's life - and rightly so - but they seem to have learned from it. Hopefully Nintendo will learn some valuable lessons from the Wii U.

The first year of the 3DS should have been a warning shot, and they repeated it with the Wii. U anyway, I feel Nintendo won't pay attention to outside their little bubble unless there's a voice of reason within Nintendo.

 

[Vashetti]

And yet the ps3 is still insanely expensive.

PS3 has several expensive components.

 

[Macleoid]

Everyone benefits from a PS4 power leveled Nintendo console. Customers can still buy 3rd party games with relevant graphics and they also get Nintendo's exclusives. It's a win win.

I don't understand why so many people think that all Nintendo need to do to get proper third party support is release a substantially more powerful console. I think the problems are deeper than that.

 

[fabricated backlash]

The Wii U's sales appear to be so poor that it may lose the remainder of its third party support even before cross-gen development completely ends. Somewhere right now there's a producer at Ubisoft who's really wishing that they had never announced a Wii U version of Watch Dogs.

At this point I'm pretty sure, we won't see a WiiU version of Watch Dogs at all. Can't be much of a loss, maybe 20 people for 4 or 5 months.

 

[Cess007]

All right stop
Collaborate and listen
Wii U is a failure
And you just dont want to listen
3D World is a bomb
And goomba is all up in here trying to twist it
So i suggest you grab your Mario doll and hold it tightly
As the PS4 goes on to sell daily and nightly
Will it ever stop?
The answer is no
The next 5 years will test your pain threshold

Word to Iwata

You sir, are a genius. I just had to play the song while reading your post xD

 

[Deadstar]

I don't understand why so many people think that all Nintendo need to do to get proper third party support is release a substantially more powerful console. I think the problems are deeper than that.

Could be. One really frustrating thing for me is that I don't own a 3ds but I have a Wii U. I see all these great games coming out for 3ds but nothing for the U. They don't even port the 3ds games to Wii U (animal crossing). It's ridiculous. You can tell what their focus is.

 

[Infinite_Daremo]

Only on GAF could a sales-age thread turn into a Rap battle. Never change.

 

[curb]

The first year of the 3DS should have been a warning shot, and they repeated it with the Wii. U anyway, I feel Nintendo won't pay attention to outside their little bubble unless there's a voice of reason within Nintendo.

Should have definitely been a warning. If they still think they're on the right track then they deserve to take the hit over the Wii U. Hopefully someone there is paying attention. As much as I'm not a huge Nintendo fan anymore, I think they're still important to the industry (not that I actually think they're going anywhere, yet).

 

[Admiral Woofington]

All right stop
Collaborate and listen
Wii U is a failure
And you just dont want to listen
3D World is a bomb
And goomba is all up in here trying to twist it
So i suggest you grab your Mario doll and hold it tightly
As the PS4 goes on to sell daily and nightly
Will it ever stop?
The answer is no
The next 5 years will test your pain threshold

Word to Iwata

So if the PS4 and Wii U camps are rap artists does that mean the Xbox One camp is an old school metal band?

Up in your tv set
I'm looking down on you
My infrared lasers trace
Everything you do

You think you've outsmarted by remaining out of sight
Black tape on my lense will not stop me, filthy swine
I'm made of plastic! My circuits gleam
I am perpetual I see what chips you eat!

I'm elected electric spy
Always kinected, electric eye


.....

I'll show myself out.

 

[Steroyd]

I want to be listening in on the investor call when Iwata finally has to admit to not hitting that number - why it hasn't been revised yet is a mystery to me, it's just going to make saving face even harder.

I think it would be worse to revise the figure AND STILL not meet it.

Catch 22 unless they lower it to 100 units sold.

I don't understand why so many people think that all Nintendo need to do to get proper third party support is release a substantially more powerful console. I think the problems are deeper than that.

Their approach to online is another problem, but with more powerful console at least devs game development would put the Wii U in the same tier as the PS4One and receive ports looking forward instead of the now dead on it's legs PS360 development ports. It worked for the Gamecube to a degree.

 

[VXLbeast]

Everyone benefits from a PS4 power leveled Nintendo console. Customers can still buy 3rd party games with relevant graphics and they also get Nintendo's exclusives. It's a win win.

That's where me and you differ. I do not think this would be good for them, and I still want them to produce hardware.

Sometimes this is what a company needs. Sony got kicked around a lot through the PS3's life - and rightly so - but they seem to have learned from it. Hopefully Nintendo will learn some valuable lessons from the Wii U.

The situation is remarkably similar. Hopefully the end results will be too.

The first year of the 3DS should have been a warning shot, and they repeated it with the Wii. U anyway, I feel Nintendo won't pay attention to outside their little bubble unless there's a voice of reason within Nintendo.

If these next few years hurt enough, they will have to. Companies are slaves to their consumers: provide the product they want, or die.

 

[StoopKid]

All right stop
Collaborate and listen
Wii U is a failure
And you just dont want to listen
3D World is a bomb
And goomba is all up in here trying to twist it
So i suggest you grab your Mario doll and hold it tightly
As the PS4 goes on to sell daily and nightly
Will it ever stop?
The answer is no
The next 5 years will test your pain threshold

Word to Iwata

Lol

 

[pants]

After having read more of this thread, I'm convinced that everyone with more than 10 posts in here should be banned on principle for caring about this horse shit. NeoGAF would be a quiet and sensible utopia if this happened.

Spoiler

Just kidding, the level of hurt feels and salt in this thread has me in tears laughing, keep it up

 

[avaya]

Nintendo will not learn the lesson that Sony learnt with PS3. Nintendo already admitted they do not have the capability to compete with Sony and MS when it comes to hardware power and services. They have no in-house talent pool to even draw on to create a proper OS. They are a shambles on the technical front.

That is why they always go for something totally different, they learnt with GameCube that the other 2 are superior when you want to play by their rules. That is why they go for the blue ocean. Struck gold with Wii, but now that mania is over and we come back to the unarrestable decline. Their original path. They have the cash to fight it for a while and will keep on betting for a while.

Nintendo has no console future, that is a cold reality. They basically lied to their shareholders with the 9mn forecast. Things are horrendous and they still have their head in the sand. Their future is as a software publisher. They would be able to cut some stellar deals, their franchises have no equal outside of GTA and Call of Dudebro.

 

[EchoedTruth]

Perfection.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Nintendo will not learn the lesson that Sony learnt with PS3. Nintendo already admitted they do not have the capability to compete with Sony and MS when it comes to hardware power and services. They have no in-house talent pool to even draw on to create a proper OS. They are a shambles on the technical front.

That is why they always go for something totally different, they learnt with GameCube that the other 2 are superior when you want to play by their rules. That is why they go for the blue ocean. Struck gold with Wii, but now that mania is over and we come back to the unarrestable decline. Their original path. They have the cash to fight it for a while and will keep on betting for a while.

Nintendo has no console future, that is a cold reality. They basically lied to their shareholders with the 9mn forecast. Things are horrendous and they still have their head in the sand. Their future is as a software publisher. They would be able to cut some stellar deals, their franchises have no equal outside of GTA and Call of Dudebro.

It's not just the 9m sales forecast, but Nintendo are also forecasting ¥100bn operating profit for the year, which just seems impossible given that in the first half they recorded a ¥23bn loss, leaving them with a ¥123bn gap.

Nintendo can have a future, but they need to shift away from their Japan first attitude to game development and console development. The domestic market is shrinking and instead of catering to the growing western markets, they decided to stick to their Japan first doctrine.

You may appreciate this thread I made about it earlier:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=723844

 

[SonyToo!™]

The UK is very price point driven the best value machine is nearly always the winner. The WiiU is basically a £200-£250 machine with 8 year old tech and no 3rd party games.

That said it's still the most attractive system to me due to it's games and BC. I was 360 and PC this gen and atm the PS4 and XBO gameswise seem more like a GFX card upgrade with no backwards compatibility and more MTs, the WiiU is atleast unique.

Besides the WiiU and it's small catalogue & BC has future collectors system written all over it, there's some real gems on that system.

My biggest axe to grind is the 3rd parties like Ubisoft dropping it like a dead weight too soon after release while they stuck with the PS3 drought for a whole 3 years.

 

[Windforce]

Imagine the killing Nintendo would have made if Super Mario 3D World was a PlayStation 4 launch title.

With trophies and stuff.

 

[Majmun]

Wait, 9m forecast for Wii U is real?
For which quarter? For which year?

Definitely not before Q1 2014. I just don't see it.

 

[beast786]

I think it would be worse to revise the figure AND STILL not meet it.

Catch 22 unless they lower it to 100 units sold.

.

Maybe Reggie will be announcing hl3 exclusive to wiiu with gta time exclusive and Ff17 exclusive.

Sure that will make them meet there target

 

[alr1ght]

 

[MeBecomingI]

All right stop
Collaborate and listen
Wii U is a failure
And you just dont want to listen
3D World is a bomb
And goomba is all up in here trying to twist it
So i suggest you grab your Mario doll and hold it tightly
As the PS4 goes on to sell daily and nightly
Will it ever stop?
The answer is no
The next 5 years will test your pain threshold

Word to Iwata

Holy. Shit! That was ice cold.

Holy. Shit! x2

 

[Zinthar]

That's where me and you differ. I do not think this would be good for them, and I still want them to produce hardware.

Why is that? Nintendo's recent history as a platform holder has been abysmal, to be kind. They deliver weak hardware at high price points, put a touchpad/display in their controller with tech that was 5 years out of date, as well as a slow and feature-less OS for their home console.

The situation is remarkably similar. Hopefully the end results will be too.

It's hard to imagine a repeat of the PS3's later success for Nintendo. The PS3 floundered initially largely because of its absurdly high price point, while it released just ahead of a financial crisis and recession. Sony never lost its third-party support, and in the UK, Gran Turismo is quite possibly the most valuable first-party IP you can have. A new GT will move consoles better there than any Mario and Zelda. The PS3 was also a great blu-ray player, which helped it quite a bit once the price came down.

Nintendo has already lost almost all of its third-party support and will solely be a Nintendo-box going up against the giant ecosystems. GAF largely overestimates the value of Nintendo's IP's to most of the market. They'll sell really well when Nintendo has a huge install base because of their wide appeal. But most people (and even most hardcore gamers) aren't excited about the fact that there's a Mario game, with Smash Bros & Mario Kart coming next year. The collection reaction to that lineup is probably more like: "Those again? That's it?"

 

[thewhitehawk]

All right stop
Collaborate and listen
Wii U is a failure
And you just dont want to listen
3D World is a bomb
And goomba is all up in here trying to twist it
So i suggest you grab your Mario doll and hold it tightly
As the PS4 goes on to sell daily and nightly
Will it ever stop?
The answer is no
The next 5 years will test your pain threshold

Word to Iwata

You sir, have given me the biggest laugh of the day, thank you.

 

[Nevasleep]

I thought Knack looked quite fun on Twitch, while Mario is Mario.

 

[jakncoke]

Wait, 9m forecast for Wii U is real?
For which quarter? For which year?

Definitely not before Q1 2014. I just don't see it.

For the fiscal year. In the 1st 6 months its done 500k units. So gotta conjure up a spell to sell 8.5 million over the next 6 months

 

[WrenchNinja]

I think the real thing to be said is that developer attitudes are changing, and Nintendo's is one that is stuck in the past. That's not a necessary a bad thing.

When Miyamoto-san sits down and plans a game, the firsts though he thinks is 'How do I make the most fun game to play, that will give a player feel like a child again and make them truly happy'. This is seen in all of his games, Wii Sports made the elderly feel relevant again, and Mario Galaxy 2 was like the citizen kane of videogames. You know when Nintendo and Shigsy make a game, it's a love letter from them to you.

When a PS4/Xbone developer makes a game, they think 'how do we make the most cinematic and violent game? what movies do we like the most to steal ideas from? what are the biggest markets to appeal to?' When I played GTAV, i knew rockstar was appealing to the middle classes, stealing ideas from films and trying to impress kids with excessive violence and gang slang. They don't care about you, they just want your money. This isn't like Nintendo, who don't mind if they don't sell many copies or consoles. Unlike TLOU which wanted to please film critics, no doubt it would have been aimed to please Robert Ebert.

cynicism is a growing trend in videogames, i just want someone who wnats to make fun games again.

This is a really good Chinner post cause I can't tell if I'm being Chinner'd or not.