If you remember 2006, media put PS3 under the magnifying glass the moment it hit shelves, from the price to CELL to XMB to the controller. media waged an all war on PS3 that continued 3 years. they even hated PS3 for having BD player which is a bonus, they hated removing Linux (although it was logical move by Sony). they even criticized having an HD cable (remember HDMI vs component video cable). No games memes, INFERIOR multiplat ( although not as bad as PS4 vs X1 "these days gameplay is KING" lol). I will reserve judgement for now, but early sign really indicate that media is going soft on MS for some reason, I'll give both the benefit of the doubt but I'm not really optimistic about it.
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Kotaku: Installing Xbox One games takes way too long; comparison
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If you remember 2006, media put PS3 under the magnifying glass the moment it hit shelves, from the price to CELL to XMB to the controller. media waged an all war on PS3 that continued 3 years. they even hated PS3 for having BD player which is a bonus, they hated removing Linux (although it was logical move by Sony). they even criticized having an HD cable (remember HDMI vs component video cable). No games memes, INFERIOR multiplat ( although not as bad as PS4 vs X1 "these days gameplay is KING" lol). I will reserve judgement for now, but early sign really indicate that media is going soft on MS for some reason, I'll give both the benefit of the doubt but I'm not really optimistic about it.
The media is going soft on them for Windows Phone too...creating new categories that have WP in a positive light.
Bayonettasbuddy
Neo Member
I owned a PS3 and 360 - didn't bother me too much on my Sony console then, doesn't bother me on my Xbone now.
It's a minor issue. I'll just make myself a cup of tea/sammich and sort some other stuff for ten whole minutes.
It's a minor issue. I'll just make myself a cup of tea/sammich and sort some other stuff for ten whole minutes.
Resident_UA
Member
This can't be true... I started playing download version of BF4 on PS4 few days ago. And even though the game was ready in 10 minutes it still really bugged me that after finishing the first mission the next one was not fully downloaded yet...
Big respect to sites actually doing that kind of thing, I like that kind of technical information and I like mags putting the hard word on the developers and manufacturers, that's the kind of shit which ensures they address this stuff better next time (which has arguably been done this time)
Personally, I'd rather wait 10 full minutes (if it's a full install) than a partial install while I'm playing at the same time.
I'm an exception, I know.
Version 3.0
Member
Nothing wrong with that. Just in case you didn't know, though: that 10 minutes is NOT a full install. You're still playing while it continues installing.
hokagespit
Member
if you dont even know its installing what is the point of saying you have a problem with it.....
It's less efficient to install and play at the same time.
And why is that, exactly?
instinct6142
Banned
if you have another game digitally to play, this is hardly an issue.
if you have to keep waiting for it to install a littler further after every menu that isn't exactly efficient.
if you have to keep waiting for it to install a littler further after every menu that isn't exactly efficient.
AstroNut325
Member
Is this true for PS4 games?
I've explained it dozens of times in other threads, the most optimal way is to copy that data from disc to HDD just once, sequentially at that.
I'll be using an SSD, this makes it even more of an issue.
You're kind of missing the point. What's your barometer for efficiency? Simply that the installation is completed as quickly as possible? Why? If it can be done in the background without any adverse effects, shouldn't that be considered more efficient?
There is no logic in this.
Chunks that allow you to play and install while you play > staring at a menu waiting to play. I don't even think that's subjective, honestly.
I don't want to play if there's any extra optical head thrash.
Current, basic games on the system allow the content to be copied in the background due to their linear nature.
Put a GTAV on the console, where you could need any texture at any time and that PlayGo stuff will shit itself.
Load it all, upfront, it ENSURES that SSD owners like myself get a good experience.
Not really, i put Killzone on my PS4 an in s couple of minutes i was playing the first campaign level. Same with ACIV. The longest install was NBA 2K, that took loke 15 minutes or more, sure you can play a game while you wait but i experienced "lag" during it.
If you are playing while it installs, on either system, it slows down the install assumedly because it still needs to pull the odd file from the disc. Infinity Ward warned that playing while installing can delay the use of high res textures by up to a half hour, for example.
Somehow, I get the feeling that you're wrong, and the engineers that designed this system...are right. Somehow...
Wolves Evolve
Member
You make no sense at all. It's a question of data structure. An open world game might still be able to play after a third of the install, rather than a quarter. But GTA is not some vast new software design unknown to man. You would, in fact, have the first mission and the city loaded in first. All later mission data in chunks afterward.
Also SSD owners like yourself are leading technology's curve so you may have to wait for the mass market to catch up before Sony and MS give a facsimile of a flying fuck.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
Yeah, I don't recall NFS Rivals shitting the bed when playing the game (outside of the forced tutorial area).
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Are you sure they are serious?
The only substitute for cubic inches is technology.
I saw that on the back of a Mercedes SLS-AMG.
crazygambit
Member
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Sony doesn't (and shouldn't) give a shit about SSD owner's experience. They need to optimize for the vast majority of players with 5400rpm HDDs.
Even from players with SSDs the PlayGo stuff is incredibly useful while you download a 50GB game. I was able to start playing much sooner than I otherwise would have on launch day and the rest sorted itself overnight.
As for your GTA5 style game example, those games usually don't give you access to the whole city right away so you could still get the first few missions without having to install the whole game.
Deus Ex Machina
Member
Oppo
Member
I think you are needlessly worrying. But you are welcome to put the game in and watch the install bar crawl across the icon before you start it.
Put the disc in, make a sandwich, and wait for the install to be finished before playing. Games start installing as soon as you put a disc in.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
Shaunboy97
Member
What rock do you live under... Media has been trashing Xbox One for the past 5 months!! I for one am EXTREMELY pleased with my Xbox purchase!!
HORRORSHØW
Member
Shout it from the rooftops! Praise the Lord!
You have no idea what you're talking about. Extra optical head thrash? Holy shit.
Here's how it works:
The system allocates the space it needs on the HDD (or SSD).
The system then beings loading files from the optical drive and writing them to the HDD (or SSD).
It attempts to do this in an order similar to the order in which a player will actually need those files.
Any time a request comes in for a file that is not on the HDD (or SSD), the system transparently queues a command to fetch that file from the optical drive, with higher priority than the background installation.
The system likely also tries to be intelligent - if you request texture X, you're probably in area Y, and will also need model Z soon. This can be accomplished by some simple meta data for each asset. When you request asset X, any unloaded assets with the same tag(s) get bumped to the top of the background installation queue. This is also how you would determine which files to load at the beginning.
It's all rather simple, actually. None of this has anything to do with whether or not you have an SSD, but if you still believe it's inefficient, then you can just sit at the menu and twiddle your thumbs / make a sandwich while it installs.
I wonder if this is something MS can quickly fix or if it's something that XB1 users will have to deal with for the next couple of years
I need not read the rest of your post, you've got no idea what you're talking about. No comprehension of what optical drive heads are, what seek time is, how things become exponentially slower with optical disks with each extra level of I/O
It is more efficient to copy the entire contents of the disk, to the SSD/HDD before executing the game, this is without question going to introduce the least repetitive optical assembly movement and absoloutely ensure that all loads are as fast as can possibly be, period. The data will always be on the drive (SSD or not) when it's asked for by the game instantly.
Just stop, it's for the best, I've been building machines for 23 years, and specifically focusing on disk performance the entire time, you're wrong, I've been fussing over load times since I had a stopwatch out and Doom 1 shareware.
Tales from don't understand simple technology? Check
I love that enthusiasm bro, way to keep positive in these gloomy days
OoO Speznas OoO
Neo Member
i remember how xbox fanboys were bashing the ps 3 for having long load times a now all of a sudden it doesnt matter anymore, thats really funny
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Don't do this.
Unless you can point to a specific person being a hypocrite, these generalities are both lazy and offensive.
im sorry but, show me the actual netstats that have 40 gigs of data being transferred in under 1 minute
not even professional file share hosts like Rapidshare can achieve that throughput.
and if its merely the time it lets you "play as we finish installing" then thats crap cause its not the same thing, if those Xbox times are completed installs.
and nice job using NBA Live, rather than 2K, which took a hell of a lot longer than just 1 minute to install during the Giant Bomb stream where they played atleast 2-3 full "quick match" games before it was completed
not even professional file share hosts like Rapidshare can achieve that throughput.
and if its merely the time it lets you "play as we finish installing" then thats crap cause its not the same thing, if those Xbox times are completed installs.
and nice job using NBA Live, rather than 2K, which took a hell of a lot longer than just 1 minute to install during the Giant Bomb stream where they played atleast 2-3 full "quick match" games before it was completed
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
The xbox times aren't full installs either. There's no way to spin this.
Agreed, however the methodology I'm referring to, to ensure better load times is applicable to any type of local disk (assuming it's quicker than the BR drive)
Absoloutely agreed again and I think it's fucking awesome they are helping out players with cool and smart ideas like this, I don't have a problem with it as long as it's coded "right". It should benefit both those who don't care about the best load time the first time they play and the anal retetntive such as myself who are picky about that stuff.
To clarify, incase it's not clear to anyone: My stance on this issue is unchanged through the multiple threads I've discussed it. I personally* will be putting my PS4 discs in the console and simply not opening / executing the games until the optical drive has completely stopped spinning / caching / installing the full game to the disk.
I finally believe I've confirmed from enough people whov'e checked for me, that this is how it works (the copy process WILL do the whole game without actually having to run the full game) If this is factual information then guess what? We're all happy
that's a good thing, surely?* yep, I get that I'm an exception to the rule, although I suspect a small handful of load time nazis may well do the same.
Codeblew
Member
This is an intelligent explanation.
OoO Speznas OoO
Neo Member
i am just saying the truth man
oh and forgot to add the part of how the entire PS4 ran like hot garbage during the install process, for every game, including during gameplay.
an unstable rocket taking off faster doesnt exactly make it better. but telling the whole story wouldnt work as well with clickbait journalists who also have a comment section in hopes of boosting their "average time on site" Alexa rankings from all the fanboys "burning" the product that performed less in their totally scientific study, which will result in ad companies paying more to get a better chance of exposure on such a popular forum!
I agree with this too, I'm not in denial that I'm kind of fucking nuts about load times!
I _really_ hate load times.
To anyone saying they'd rather wait 10 minutes compared to 35 seconds is lying to themselves, or is misinformed. The PS4 doesn't do a full install in 35 seconds obviously, but neither does the X1 in those 10 minutes. There's no difference but time, and I know this from experience.
I didn't notice anything different when I was playing killzone from the first 10 minutes to the last few hours, it was all the same, smooth gameplay throughout. Same thing the other games on PS4 that i've played.
I didn't notice anything different when I was playing killzone from the first 10 minutes to the last few hours, it was all the same, smooth gameplay throughout. Same thing the other games on PS4 that i've played.