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Nintendo's VGX reveal is fucking Cranky Kong!!!

AniHawk

Member
The problem isn't so much that Nintendo is waiting to reveal something like ED2 or Metroid [or insert hardcore game that isn't one of Nintendo's biannual staples] until Nintendo Direct or E3, but that they're probably not making them at all.

nintendo puts out games that aren't part of their biannual staples all the time. they get discounted for existing because they don't appeal to the western market, aren't a new ip, or other strange reasons.
 

Fiktion

Banned
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Shion

Member
Because we wanted something gritty, visceral, and cinematic.

I can tell you that if Nintendo bothered to make a 3D Donkey Kong that felt like an actual next-gen title in terms of gameplay, scope and presentation, people would be much more excited now.

But no, they pulled a "modern Nintendo" and they're making yet another safe, unambitious and unexciting sequel.

why should nintendo have made a huge announcement at a shitty awards show nobody likes or watches? e3 or nintendo direct is a much better venue for the announcement of a new zelda, where they'd have more attention to themselves.

i find it strange that dkc tf earns so much hate when the previous entry was well-loved (although not by me).
No, just no.
 
Reggie knew of the Amazon cover leak showing Cranky Kong days before this aired. Do you guys think that Metroid pin was added as a small tease, since Reggie expected the backlash?

Yes, that's it! He was saying what he couldn't say because of NCL but letting all of us know what's up!
 

Fantastical

Death Prophet
it's more accurate to say some people will buy a $300 console for metroid and more people will buy a $300 console for donkey kong.

first, metroid isn't much of a system-seller. the closest it ever got was november 2002 when it received the most critical acclaim of any game that generation and still wound up being outsold by xbox and splinter cell. second, nintendo's been desperately trying to make their console the place for families since around august. donkey kong plays into that, especially when the system already comes with two mario games.

they might not be buying a game for donkey kong, but they'll buy one for donkey kong and mario and lego and scribblenauts.

More people will really be willing to buy a $300 console for Donkey Kong in 2013? I disagree. Maybe at ~$200 where families wouldn't feel bad about getting it for their kids, but I really don't think DKC has the power to sell hardware to casual gamers. Metroid, on the other hands, appeals to a completely different subset of the audience. A smaller, but more dedicated subset who will spend more on gaming.

While you have sales numbers for Metroid Prime that could disprove this... nothing can really be said about what Donkey Kong Country could do in terms of selling hardware. The userbase for Wii by the time DKC came out was huge. There was obviously interest, but if no one gave a shit about Wii, I feel DKC would have bombed and failed to move any significant hardware. Metroid would have obviously bombed too, and in the end the distinction is probably pretty pointless... but I really feel like Metroid would do more good for Wii U than DKC at this point.
 
they don't count. Pushmo, harmo knight and dillion don't count eiher of course.

Pretty sure we are talking about franchise material here. Not one offs that sell like bombs. It does some weird we don't have at least one new main franchise from N at this point.
 

Zinthar

Member
strange metroid prime games were sales flops and dkcr was a multi million seller.

Metroid Prime sold 2.8m, while DKCR sold around 6m. If you compare the install base of the GCN when most of the MP copies were sold to that of the Wii when DKCR came out, those MP sales compare very favorably.

Watch what happens when Tropical Freeze comes out and that franchise has to sell to a tiny install base that's largely hardcore gamers. It will bomb.
 

Mr-Joker

Banned
I did warn you guys not to get to hyped up but nooooo you refused to believe it and foolishly kept on to the hope it was Zelda U, when it made no sense. You have only yourself to blame.

Personally I can wait for the game to be release as it looks awesome.

Thanks for the thread title OP.

Anybody expecting anything was cuh-razy. All the signs pointed to it.

This pretty much, it was so painstakingly obvious that it was related to Donkey Kong as that's Nintendo next big hit and once Cranky Kong got leaked well the writing was on the wall.

I think its kinda funny that people are getting angry over this lol

Indeed it is.
 

AniHawk

Member
Pretty sure we are talking about franchise material here. Not one offs that sell like bombs. It does some weird we don't have at least one new main franchise from N at this point.

pushmo and dillon got/are getting sequels. so they're not one-offs and probably didn't sell like bombs. don't know about harmoknight though.

but that's a new twist. 'nintendo hasn't made any new ips- i mean the ones that turn into new franchises. only new ips that get turned into new franchises count.' i like it.
 

Fantastical

Death Prophet
strange metroid prime games were sales flops and dkcr was a multi million seller.

On a system that sold bonkers numbers for 4 years prior to its release.

Again, it's about selling systems. On top of that, it's about selling a hard to sell system with tough competition that no one wants.
 

Not

Banned
Reggie knew of the Amazon cover leak showing Cranky Kong days before this aired. Do you guys think that Metroid pin was added as a small tease, since Reggie expected the backlash?

God, it's just a pin. The fact that Reggie spouted the usual PR nonsense when questioned about it, without even a tease, just further goes to show the company can't see out from under it's own ass. Even if they are making it, are they just going to make Retro work on two IPs forever?
 

Busaiku

Member
Pretty sure we are talking about franchise material here. Not one offs that sell like bombs. It does some weird we don't have at least one new main franchise from N at this point.

Pushmo and Dillion's Rolling Western are franchises.
They already got sequels.
 

antonz

Member
I'll give you that since 3D World sure hasn't helped the Wii U, but Metroid fans will get their game eventually. They had about three great ones in a row too, what's so bad about Donkey Kong getting a sequel anyway.

Hopefully Metroid isn't the next game because then it will suffer from Skyward Sword syndrome. No one will give a shit about the wii u not even the hardcore by 2016/2017. Skyward sword was criminally underplayed because by the time it came the Wii was dead.

Last thing Metroid needs is to launch at the end of the Wii Us lifetime so it can sell like ass and have people say see it doesn't sell
 
I figured it'd be Cranky Kong because Nintendo seems incapable of developing or revealing something genuinely exciting.

The only disappointment isn't Cranky Kong himself. It's just further confirmation they don't get it.

At least now we have an answer to the question "Who else could've made this game other than Retro?!"

The answer is Wayforward. They already remade Ducktales.
 
More people will really be willing to buy a $300 console for Donkey Kong in 2013? I disagree. Maybe at ~$200 where families wouldn't feel bad about getting it for their kids, but I really don't think DKC has the power to sell hardware to casual gamers. Metroid, on the other hands, appeals to a completely different subset of the audience. A smaller, but more dedicated subset who will spend more on gaming.

While you have sales numbers for Metroid Prime that could disprove this... nothing can really be said about what Donkey Kong Country could do in terms of selling hardware. The userbase for Wii by the time DKC came out was huge. There was obviously interest, but if no one gave a shit about Wii, I feel DKC would have bombed and failed to move any significant hardware. Metroid would have obviously bombed too, and in the end the distinction is probably pretty pointless... but I really feel like Metroid would do more good for Wii U than DKC at this point.

I think the question is what and the heck is Metroid going to do with such a small audience?
 
Reggie knew of the Amazon cover leak showing Cranky Kong days before this aired. Do you guys think that Metroid pin was added as a small tease, since Reggie expected the backlash?
No. Not at all. This is the same type of reasoning that people used to convince themselves that Retro's next game was going to be some super-huge, never seen before thing, before it turned out to be Tropical Freeze. Don't read into things like that, as that's what causes people to create hype-trains based on nothing and then get disappointed when all that nothing turned out to just be... nothing.
 

Rehynn

Member
Metroid Prime sold 2.8m, while DKCR sold around 6m. If you compare the install base of the GCN when most of the MP copies were sold to that of the Wii when DKCR came out, those MP sales compare very favorably.

Watch what happens when Tropical Freeze comes out and that franchise has to sell to a tiny install base that's largely hardcore gamers. It will bomb.

How convenient to ignore the sales of Prime 2 and 3.
 
I just realized something awful

Nintendo thinks their Nintendo Directs are better for big announcements than this trashy (yet popular) awards show.

How is it they have reached this level of self delusion?

Actually, the number of people following the stream is less than the usual Direct traffic
 

Sponge

Banned
On a system that sold bonkers numbers for 4 years prior to its release.

Again, it's about selling systems. On top of that, it's about selling a hard to sell system with tough competition that no one wants.

All I know is I wanted Retro to make a new DKC game from the start. I'll be buying a Wii U because of it. Whenever Nintendo finds the right hands for Metroid, even if that's Retro again, I'll be looking forward to it.
 
Haha, nice. Sometimes it seems nintendo is just fucking with people. But they aren't. They really thought this would be a great way to get people excited.
Amazing.

Looking forward to the game though
 

Mik317

Member
Pretty sure we are talking about franchise material here. Not one offs that sell like bombs. It does some weird we don't have at least one new main franchise from N at this point.

Two of those got sequels tho...so they had to have done pretty well.

Now I do agree that they need to push more new or at least other franchises. I also expect them to do so this upcoming year.
 

Scum

Junior Member
I want Retro to throw all the hype they can behind their next project..

..and then unveil StarTropics.
 

SirShandy

Member
I just realized something awful

Nintendo thinks their Nintendo Directs are better for big announcements than this trashy (yet popular) awards show.

How is it they have reached this level of self delusion?

Nintendo Directs are better for their big announcements. They have their own format to present it the way they want and don't need to compete with a clutter of other information.
At the end of the day, it's the content of the announcement itself that matters, not the place it's presented.
 
LMAO! That confers it, Nintendo really are riding the banana boat and are totally out of tune with the modern video game market.
 

greg400

Banned
On a system that sold bonkers numbers for 4 years prior to its release.

Again, it's about selling systems. On top of that, it's about selling a hard to sell system with tough competition that no one wants.

And your answer is Metroid?

Prime Trilogy - August 2009
Metroid Other M - August 2010
DKCR - November 2010

DKC R outsold both Metroid games combined released around similar points in the Wii lifecycle. Your claim that Metroid would be a better system seller right now holds absolutely zero ground.
 

AniHawk

Member
More people will really be willing to buy a $300 console for Donkey Kong in 2013? I disagree. Maybe at ~$200 where families wouldn't feel bad about getting it for their kids, but I really don't think DKC has the power to sell hardware to casual gamers. Metroid, on the other hands, appeals to a completely different subset of the audience. A smaller, but more dedicated subset who will spend more on gaming.

While you have sales numbers for Metroid Prime that could disprove this... nothing can really be said about what Donkey Kong Country could do in terms of selling hardware. The userbase for Wii by the time DKC came out was huge. There was obviously interest, but if no one gave a shit about Wii, I feel DKC would have bombed and failed to move any significant hardware. Metroid would have obviously bombed too, and in the end the distinction is probably pretty pointless... but I really feel like Metroid would do more good for Wii U than DKC at this point.

i think you'd see more complaining that metroid was on the wii u and how nintendo doesn't make any new franchises and how no one's going to buy a wii u for one game. nintendo's trying to make a different console than microsoft or sony and right now, it seems the way they're doing that is making one that's family friendly. hard to tell if it'll work outside the holidays, but it's at least a more solid direction than their attempt to grab their vision of hardcore gamers a year ago.
 
I hope Retro's next game is finally another Metroid. A side-scrolling successor to Super Metroid would be nice.
The Wii U doesn't need anymore platformers for the moment.

I would absolutely love a Retro-made Super Metroid 2D sequel over a Metroid Prime 4.
 

Sponge

Banned
I figured it'd be Cranky Kong because Nintendo seems incapable of developing or revealing something genuinely exciting. At least now we have an answer to the question "Who else could've made this game other than Retro?!"

The answer is Wayforward. They already remade Ducktales.


I really can't stand this universal thought that anyone could make Donkey Kong Country, yet Retro has to make Metroid. That's just not fair.

Retro has proved that they do their homework and care about the franchise. They brought back David fucking Wise to do the score for the game. That's way above and beyond just pumping out something like Jungle Beat was.
 
How much lols and hysterical criticism would Nintendo have gotten if they decided to not bother with the event at all like the spike awards? Instead of skipping it entirely the company made a decision to bring something light. There was no grandiose hype supplied from anyone at Nintendo. I always got the feeling that skipping the TV event wasn't a big deal at all for most. This thing has all of a sudden become such a big thing for some of you?
 
No. Not at all. This is the same type of reasoning that people used to convince themselves that Retro's next game was going to be some super-huge, never seen before thing, before it turned out to be Tropical Freeze. Don't read into things like that, as that's what causes people to create hype-trains based on nothing and then get disappointed when all that nothing turned out to just be... nothing.

Same type of reasoning? Miyamoto said he wants to see metroid on the Wii U. He said Retro Studios has “high priority” for next Metroid game. He said retro is capable of working on multiple titles at once. Metroid was on that leaked miiverse admin list, that has confirmed multiple games. iirc, Retro was hiring employees that did work that could be fitting for an fps, more mature themed game.

What clues did we have to have the same type of reasoning when guessing retros current game?

Now, we have the cherry on top, the Metroid pin.
 
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