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Ryo Hazuki incoming for Sonic & All-Star Racing Transformed?

Pyrrhus

Member
Remember, this game also has Wreck it Ralph and Danica Patrick

Wreck it Ralph is almost okay, since he is designed as a forgotten, also-ran character from gaming's past along the lines of Alex Kidd. Danica Patrick, yeah, it's stupid. Again, I know why they're there. I just don't think they're helping the game at all.
 

Zia

Member
Except they're ugly looking cross promotion synergy that make the art style of the game even more schizophrenic than it already is rather being a one-off nod to another game from the same developer rendered in a common style. And they're about a third of the roster at this point. Otherwise, yeah, exactly the same. I understand the reason they've been inserted, I just don't think they work. I would settle for just being able to turn them off in the single player modes so that my reminiscence of happier days with Sega isn't interrupted by Danica Patrick, the Heavy, Japanese Stereotype, Russian Stereotype, Football Manager, and Random Fat Guy from Podcast.

Nah, that's alright. Without the new PC-centric characters the lineup would be dull and full of characters nobody gives a shit about, such as Vyse and Ulala. The lineup is absurd and fantastic, hence why most people are fine with it.
 

Zoracka

Member
...Why? That is, what on earth does this have to do with Sega?

They (yogscast) did a charity steam on humble bundle where you could donate and get this game, among others.

Other than that, free marketing from those guys? I don't follow them, so I'm not all that certain.
 

Mesoian

Member
Come to think of it, was there ever a reason given for Danica's inclusion? (I don't mind it, just curious)

Marketing. It was a great way to promote the game in the south while being DRAMATICALLY cheaper than running traditional ads during sporting events. Danica may not win Nascar races, but she does well, and that means that Sega had a 4 hour advertisement on screen every Saturday for the entire season.
 

NEO0MJ

Member
Come to think of it, was there ever a reason given for Danica's inclusion? (I don't mind it, just curious)

Yeah, I'm curios as well. Plus, she drives a hot wheels vehicle! I don't think Sega made any hot Wheels games, and even if they did I doubt it's on their "all-star" list. Same goes to Danica, sure they made a Daytona game but that game's rep is already in ages.
 

Mesoian

Member
Nah, that's alright. Without the new PC-centric characters the lineup would be dull and full of characters nobody gives a shit about, such as Vyse and Ulala. The lineup is absurd and fantastic, hence why most people are fine with it.

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I'm unable to see how this Yogcast DLC "sacrifices" any vision in Racing Transformed. It's a charitable move and the style of his racer isn't too far from the rest of the cast.

Or are people upset that the consoles aren't getting any more DLC?
 

Videoneon

Member
Unless there really was some evil plan to screw console/handheld owners over from the beginning, the truth is that it probably is not worth the time and money to push updates and DLC out onto 5 platforms that don't make it easy for Sumo/Sega. If there was a sizeable player base that they felt would buy paid DLC, you can bet your ass every version of the game would be seeing updates and new characters.

I think the fact that Sega didn't bother to release promotional characters for their own games on consoles speaks volumes.

However, we shouldn't forget that Ryo isn't actually confirmed for PC only at this point.

The same game that's one of their bigger commercial successes of late retail wise, and the one Sumo worked to patch on consoles? One of the few moderate successes on Wii U? That same player base is the one that begged for new characters in the first place?

Let's not give them too much credit. It doesn't have to be an evil plan, just a bad one. As I said before, if there's a dwindling player base it's a created situation, not natural, and ironically it puts the decision to include Wreck it Ralph and Danica Patrick in a bad light. It speaks volumes on them.

and yes, to be clear, this is assuming that Ryo isn't available for all, my first post in this thread touched on that only a bit
 

Videoneon

Member
I'm unable to see how this Yogcast DLC "sacrifices" any vision in Racing Transformed. It's a charitable move and the style of his racer isn't too far from the rest of the cast.

Or are people upset that the consoles aren't getting any more DLC?

The concept of a Sega All Star was basically corrupted very early, what with the marketing characters introduced. Wreck it Ralph wasn't even an All-Star; his original piece of media hadn't been released yet.

I think it's quite insidious when people can be comfortable saying things like this:

Yup. And I love it.

and can't take a step back and see how lame this is for lots of people. Enjoy your Ryo and PC characters by all means, since they're already there. Or will be. But endorsing leaving people behind, geez.

Except they're ugly looking cross promotion synergy that make the art style of the game even more schizophrenic than it already is rather being a one-off nod to another game from the same developer rendered in a common style. And they're about a third of the roster at this point. Otherwise, yeah, exactly the same. I understand the reason they've been inserted, I just don't think they work. I would settle for just being able to turn them off in the single player modes so that my reminiscence of happier days with Sega isn't interrupted by Danica Patrick, the Heavy, Japanese Stereotype, Russian Stereotype, Football Manager, and Random Fat Guy from Podcast.

Sanity. Except for Random Fat Guy...let's not do that.

Also, the idea that you were responding to was bogus anyway. What NASCAR game did Sega make? NASCAR Arcade, which doesn't feature Danica Patrick?
 

Pikawil

Unconfirmed Member
yeah i'm sure sega forced sumo to take the time and money to create dlc that's being sold entirely for charity, that's totally a sound business decision

ignore the part where it actually does sound like a business decision sega would consider viable
Believe it or not, this actually is the case. Well, except for the charity (and thus, paid DLC) bit; that's the compromise Sumo forced on Sega in turn when they came to a head, as even they were perplexed by the decision.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
Just to be clear

The first game in the series is called
Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing

The second game in the series is called:
Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed

They dialed back the sega nostalgia stuff by design.
 

Pikawil

Unconfirmed Member
The first game in the series is called
Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing With Banjo-Kazooie
Fixed

(At least the second game was not called "Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed With Danica Patrick, Wreck-it Ralph, The Heavy and Simon Lane". That would be a terribly long and lengthily terrible name.)
 
The concept of a Sega All Star was basically corrupted very early, what with the marketing characters introduced. Wreck it Ralph wasn't even an All-Star; his original piece of media hadn't been released yet.

I think it's quite insidious when people can be comfortable saying things like this:



and can't take a step back and see how lame this is for lots of people. Enjoy your Ryo and PC characters by all means, since they're already there. Or will be. But endorsing leaving people behind, geez.
I can't step back and see how this is lame for people. The game already is filled to the brim with classic Sega franchises with several more characters on the way to appease Sega diehard fans (plz Ristar.)

What people seem to want is an "untouched" Sega museum which less people will be inclined to actually want to visit. They appeal to more people and maybe those newcomers will want to know about Alex Kidd or Phantasy Star.

And while I understand the console brethren being upset at the lack of post-release support, at least the game itself is getting some love on some level. What I don't understand is making the game seem like its "values" were "corrupted." The console games still have all of the classic characters released so far. And yes, I for one, am grateful that I grabbed the PC version over the Wii U version.
 

RuinKaos

Member
I am excited for this DLC however confused why everyone is assuming it is not coming out for consoles. If it is paid DLC there is no reason not to release it as they would be losing revenue by not doing it. The only reason i could think of them not doing it is if they are planning some complete edition for the new consoles.

Nah, that's alright. Without the new PC-centric characters the lineup would be dull and full of characters nobody gives a shit about, such as Vyse and Ulala. The lineup is absurd and fantastic, hence why most people are fine with it.

I care about Skies of Arcadia and Space Channel 5.

Apparently I am a nobody.
 

Pyrrhus

Member
What people seem to want is an "untouched" Sega museum which less people will be inclined to actually want to visit. They appeal to more people and maybe those newcomers will want to know about Alex Kidd or Phantasy Star.

Oh, good point. Phantasy Star is completely unrepresented and they're wasting time and slots on this nonsense.
 

Spaghetti

Member
Believe it or not, this actually is the case. Well, except for the charity (and thus, paid DLC) bit; that's the compromise Sumo forced on Sega in turn when they came to a head, as even they were perplexed by the decision.
i don't actually take any particular issue with sega suggesting this co-marketing or whatever

what i do take issue with is the notion of some imaginary corporate skinsuit cracking a whip at poor little innocent sumo

force is what happens to kids in sweatshops
 

Ezalc

Member
Nah, that's alright. Without the new PC-centric characters the lineup would be dull and full of characters nobody gives a shit about, such as Vyse and Ulala. The lineup is absurd and fantastic, hence why most people are fine with it.

This bullshit is sarcasm right? I had a shitty day and am too tired to have a functioning radar.
 

Zia

Member
This bullshit is sarcasm right? I had a shitty day and am too tired to have a functioning radar.

It's not bullshit, it's fact.

Man, people seem particularly out of touch in regards to Sega's handling of this game. "Why aren't they releasing the same content for a stagnating player base on consoles as they are for the open platform of PC, on which SASRT is an evergreen title, and why are they releasing free cross-promotional DLC instead of obscure characters for the hardcore fan base?" Like, really?
 

Videoneon

Member
Just to be clear

The first game in the series is called
Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing

The second game in the series is called:
Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed

They dialed back the sega nostalgia stuff by design.

Yes, which I think is worthy of criticism.

I can't step back and see how this is lame for people. The game already is filled to the brim with classic Sega franchises with several more characters on the way to appease Sega diehard fans (plz Ristar.)

What people seem to want is an "untouched" Sega museum which less people will be inclined to actually want to visit. They appeal to more people and maybe those newcomers will want to know about Alex Kidd or Phantasy Star.

And while I understand the console brethren being upset at the lack of post-release support, at least the game itself is getting some love on some level. What I don't understand is making the game seem like its "values" were "corrupted." The console games still have all of the classic characters released so far. And yes, I for one, am grateful that I grabbed the PC version over the Wii U version.

You would be more optimistic than most to assume that several more characters, even more than one, are coming, but I would really appreciate that. As for the Sega all star idea...yes, why wouldn't that make sense? Museum is one thing, but more recent franchises like Valkyria Chronicles and Yakuza weren't even represented here, and not a one from Shining from throughout its history (though I'm a lot less familiar with this franchise, and wouldn't know if there's something to finagle into a racer.) But really, the concept of Sega all-stars informs the development of this game on a very significant level.

Why suddenly not go whole hog on this idea, besides the advertising angle? There isn't any reason.

The game is getting love only for some, and while Total War and such make Sega money, discussion for Transformed were a lot busier outside of PC circles before it seemed apparent that nothing of note was coming to them. Also, that PC base got built up with price mark downs, regular announcements.
 
Why yes, I'm optimistic. Given the previous rumor, the Yogcast DLC and now Ryo.

And I don't see how it matters how the PC user base grew. Yes, its been on sale multiple times, but that doesn't diminish the quality game it I'd.
 
The ridiculous PC characters = the car in Fighters Megamix. It's totally in the spirit of Old Sega.
I'm sorry, but this whole "Bu-but Fighters Megamix had a car and a palm tree and a polar bear" thing as if it's the exact same situation as this game is getting on my nerves.

Fighters Megamix already did entirely what it set out to be, that is be a bizarre mishmash between Fighting Vipers and VF2, and featured both of their complete casts. The guest characters in that game therefore felt like actual guests, ie, just silly little extras that didn't take away from anything, as there was literally no more possible content they could have stuffed into that game, so they just went buck wild.

While you could argue the same with the silly PC characters, due to them probably being easier to license or marketing related reasons, there are still many glaring oversights with the roster (which probably wouldn't be fulfilled even if the game had like, 50 characters considering how far back Sega goes) so filling in those holes with cross-promotional characters like TF2, internet celebrity nerd guy, a NASCAR racer, and one of the Total War developers cosplaying a roman general, people are probably gonna get salty, considering they're now almost damn near half of the roster at this point.
 

epmode

Member
I'm sorry, but this whole "Bu-but Fighters Megamix had a car and a palm tree and a polar bear" thing as if it's the exact same situation as this game is getting on my nerves.

The inclusion of PC stuff is obviously influenced by Sega's higher-ups rather than the developers running out of shit to throw in there but Sumo took something that could have been awful and made it a lot of fun. You guys sound needlessly bitter about something that's so cheerfully goofy.
 

sn00zer

Member
The inclusion of PC stuff is obviously influenced by Sega's higher-ups rather than the developers running out of shit to throw in there but Sumo took something that could have been awful and made it a lot of fun. You guys sound needlessly bitter about something that's so cheerfully goofy.

Yes definitely the higher ups who nefariously thought that their best selling franchises in the past 5 years maybe deserved a spot over that best selling game a decade ago.... such nefarious jerks
 

qq more

Member
This bullshit is sarcasm right? I had a shitty day and am too tired to have a functioning radar.
It's Zia... so likely not.

I kind of want them to add Spiral Knights characters next. Or maybe holla at Games Workshop and get some Orks in there.
Would not mind Spiral Knights. They are owned by Sega, aren't they? Not to mention they have a Sega crossover promotion before which justifies their inclusion.
 

Atolm

Member
I think they should add some new tracks instead of new characters. With Ryo and all that DLC the rooster is very complete.
 

epmode

Member
Yes definitely the higher ups who nefariously thought that their best selling franchises in the past 5 years maybe deserved a spot over that best selling game a decade ago.... such nefarious jerks

Maybe I wasn't clear? I think the PC/extra characters are a lot of fun. It's just obvious that they were forced into Transformed since Football Manager, Total War and Company of Heroes aren't exactly brimming with, um, kartable characters. Not like Sega's old games, anyway.

I think they should add some new tracks instead of new characters.

I'd much rather have new tracks. Costs more, though.

I have a suggestion that will make PC and console gamers alike happy.

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Yes pls.
 

IrishNinja

Member
Bo from Binary Domain would be a trip, i'd say something from PSO 2.0 would be obvious but then that little cash cow is still nowhere to be seen on our shores, for reasons i can't fathom

Nah, that's alright. Without the new PC-centric characters the lineup would be dull and full of characters nobody gives a shit about, such as Vyse and Ulala. The lineup is absurd and fantastic, hence why most people are fine with it.

man you really make terrible posts sometimes
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
While you could argue the same with the silly PC characters, due to them probably being easier to license or marketing related reasons, there are still many glaring oversights with the roster (which probably wouldn't be fulfilled even if the game had like, 50 characters considering how far back Sega goes) so filling in those holes with cross-promotional characters like TF2, internet celebrity nerd guy, a NASCAR racer, and one of the Total War developers cosplaying a roman general, people are probably gonna get salty, considering they're now almost damn near half of the roster at this point.
No one gets salty except the few who still can't get over the fact that the Dreamcast failed ten years ago; adding characters that weren't made in Japan two or three console generations ago is not a fucking personal insult.
 

Kizer

Member
It's not bullshit, it's fact.

Man, people seem particularly out of touch in regards to Sega's handling of this game. "Why aren't they releasing the same content for a stagnating player base on consoles as they are for the open platform of PC, on which SASRT is an evergreen title, and why are they releasing free cross-promotional DLC instead of obscure characters for the hardcore fan base?" Like, really?

I happen to care about those two characters so your claim of no one caring about them is bs. If I care about them, obviously others would too. However, if I care about them, it also means that other people won't care about them. See how this works?

TL;DR: Your personal wants and desires don't speak for all of us. People do like those characters even if you don't. Shut up.


Ryo is an awesome dlc add and I hope he launches sooner then later. Personally, I am hoping to see Vectorman and Sketch Turner from Comix Zone. Perhaps a Phantasy Star Online and/or Shining Force stage.
 
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