That's great, hope they can get in and have fun. I'm in Europe otherwise I wouldn't even think twice. What kind of event is it by the way? Would love to be able to see some photos if possible after the event too.
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Tomb Raider Definitive Edition (PS4/XB1) is 30 FPS
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That's great, hope they can get in and have fun. I'm in Europe otherwise I wouldn't even think twice. What kind of event is it by the way? Would love to be able to see some photos if possible after the event too.
We just got this video from S-E, showing the new effects in the next-gen version of the game. I'm sure it's been posted before, but the quality here is quite good
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_tomb_raider_next_gen_explanations-14964_en.html
It may be 30fps, but wow this game looks pretty and definitely next-gen enough. Can't wait to see Tomb Raider 2.
And I'd like to add that Gamersyde video player is the best, it's the only one that never fails to work.
Always-honest
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Thanx blimblim.
I have to say, her face is great this way. For a videogame, it's quite believeable.
I also like the added physics. Physics are key to making a game feel more realistic. More important than realistic graphics.
The hair looks weird but i guess it's a nice step into the direction of realistic looking hair one fine day.
Will they release a demo for this game? Cause the video won't make me feel how the controls are and stuff like that. I'm seriously considering the game.
I'm interested to see what they will come up with when they make this game for next gen from the ground up.
I have to say, her face is great this way. For a videogame, it's quite believeable.
I also like the added physics. Physics are key to making a game feel more realistic. More important than realistic graphics.
The hair looks weird but i guess it's a nice step into the direction of realistic looking hair one fine day.
Will they release a demo for this game? Cause the video won't make me feel how the controls are and stuff like that. I'm seriously considering the game.
I'm interested to see what they will come up with when they make this game for next gen from the ground up.
RedAssedApe
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FYI I pmed Kagari on this and the event is in Redwood City (nor cal). Bummed lol
Community event for the launch of the next gen versions.
UnrealEck
Member
Bear in mind this is a new version of TressFX. It might not look or thus perform the same. Oh and there's the difference of AMD and NV hardware running it.
Nice, thanks for answering. Hope it can be fun and those GAFfers can enjoy the event.
Such low expectations...
I really really hope this doesn't sell so that the reboot can have that final nail in the coffin and they go back to a cheaper looking but much better 3d puzzle platformer.
I don't want anyone to lose their job, I just want something more like Legend/Anniversary/Underworld.....okay....maybe not Underworld.
I don't want anyone to lose their job, I just want something more like Legend/Anniversary/Underworld.....okay....maybe not Underworld.
I think you mean 'realistic' expectations.
Sadly, yes. But that doesn t mean we shouldn t ask for more. I believe the contrary actually.
RedAssedApe
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It's already broken even. Considering its massive budget that means it was relatively well received. Sorry but you're getting at least one sequel.
I'm sure they are aware of some of the criticism from long time fans of the franchise though. So maybe they meet you halfway.
Always-honest
Banned
The version they feel most content with, i guess.
It took 9 months for the game to break even...on 4 million sales. That probably says everything you need to know about the budget and what they expected it to sell (It still hasn't hit the numbers they wanted and is about 1m units short)
Now, yes, there will be an inevitable sequel, one I won't be picking up. And it will probably contain the same gameplay that most "Next gen" games will (3rd person, cover based shooter with IMPORTANT QTE, it has a "story to tell", and a washed out palette), and as a special extra more comments about the player "wanting to protect Lara" combined with some horrific death scenes. It just makes me sad that the puzzle platformer itch TR scratched so well on 360 has been scrapped for Katniss Evercroft and the island torture porn.
So many angry people. I didn't play this the first time around, so for me it's a brand new game. Brand new games cost what they cost, what's the big deal?
However, if I bought/played this last year I wouldn't be willing to pay full price. But as a new experience, I have no problems with this.
However, if I bought/played this last year I wouldn't be willing to pay full price. But as a new experience, I have no problems with this.
Liamario
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So basically, if someone were to repackage an Atari 2600 for you and assuming you've never played one before, you'd be happy to pay full price?
RedAssedApe
Banned
I think you need to pick a better example or at least flesh out your analogy better. Lol
Saw it coming, but that doesn't make it less pathetic. The only minimally decent excuse they could use to charge 60$ was 60fps.
Also the fact that they can't make a last gen game run at 60fps in next gen is worrying for those who were expecting 1080/60 remakes of games like GTA V or The Last of Us. I hope this is just an embarrassing case of Crystal Dinamics lack of development/optimization skills.
Also the fact that they can't make a last gen game run at 60fps in next gen is worrying for those who were expecting 1080/60 remakes of games like GTA V or The Last of Us. I hope this is just an embarrassing case of Crystal Dinamics lack of development/optimization skills.
Liamario
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He's saying a game is worth full price because he hasn't played it before. You can apply this reasoning to anything. It's similar to someone justifying paying 40 to play angry birds on ps4.
Ol No Bones
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I have a crappy PC and never bought the original. Is this worth 60 dollar bills? I'm not concerned about 30fps.
I really, really liked the game. It's worth buying at full price IMO.
BigTnaples
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You really have no idea what you are talking about.
The definitive edition is ADDING tons of graphical features that are not even in the PC version, in addition to the PC versions TressFX, and all at 1080p.
I have a 3770k i7, 16GB Ram, 120GB SSD, and a 6950 2GB unlocked and OC'd to 6970.
Those specs obliterate both next gen consoles.
And I can't get 60 fps @ 1080p with just TressFX, let alone enhanced lighting, physics, Subsurface Scattering, and higher poly facial assets.
If you are expecting every game to suddenly be 60fps because it's the new buzzword for next gen consoles, you are delusional and have no idea how games are developed.
Finaika
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I think an Atari 2600 game today would cost a lot, lot more than it did in the 70's.
RedAssedApe
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Curious to hear more impressions of performance on PC version using tressfx. The posts I've seen in here seem to indicate that even high powered pcs had trouble getting good frame rates.
Not sure why people assume 1080/60 should be a given considering it's not just a port of the console version.
Not sure why people assume 1080/60 should be a given considering it's not just a port of the console version.
So is it true that tressfx makes the game drop like 20fps? Thank you, that only confirms my theory that these developers are morons. Well, not all of them, just the genius who decided a fancy yet useless hair physics thing had priority over 60 frames per second.
BigTnaples
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RedAssedApe
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I think asscreed4 on ps4 pretty much confirmed to me that i don't need 60 FPS as long as the FPS is stable.
I actually don't mind 30fps, the problem is that they're charging 60$ for literally the same game you can currently find for under 20$. Just a few graphical updates aren't enough, at least with 60fps you'd actually feel a noticeable difference and the price would be somehow justified.
BigTnaples
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So you are saying you would pay the 60 bucks for a game that looked exactly the same as the previous versions, but at 60fps.
But they put a ton of work into actually making the game closer to their artistic vision of what the game should look like, and it should be 20 bucks?
Again. Glad you don't develop games.
Please, stop that "tons of graphical features" thing. Taking apart PR sentences, what screenshots showed is lower polycount in definitive edition. No more. Tessellation on pc adds a ton of polygons in characters, world and objects. A ton. LOD settings are lowered in trees if we rely on released screenshots. We have yet to see the quality of ambient occlusion. In the PC version there is no ambient occlusion switch on / off, there are several levels of quality, as with the shadows. The first TressFX in game release had a big impact in performance. After TressFX patch, they improved physics precision and performance a lot. Definitive edition will have a new version of TressFX. Multithreaded renderer only can be enabled on PC version modifying a registry key (because they don't do a wide phase of testing), and produces a big gain in raw performance. That option is enabled by default in definitve edition.
Basically, if you could set the quality options in your pc as definitive edition, you would have a MUCH better performance than setting options at ultra.
Changes that will be more visible for console gamers are all artistic changes and not affect performance.
They spend that time porting the game, and in that time, most of them are working in the new Tomb Raider, they used few of next TR assets on that Definitve Edition (face, skin shader, new particle system). Surely they don't create those assets for that version.
Yes- this was one of the best games released last year.
Agreed, but I still ain't spending $60 on this.
UnrealEck
Member
Doing a benchmark it got 39 FPS more with TressFX off.
However that's on an Nvidia card and you really need to bear in mind, the TressFX in the "Definitive Edition" is not the same version. It may have less strands, less physics calculations and so on. So it might not hog performance as much. You also need to keep in mind that as far as I know, TressFX performs better on AMD cards.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
First off. Love your work on Crysis 2.
Second. You are correct in that there is a lack of tessellation, at least on her shoulders, but the poly allocation the face was a smarter move in my opinion.
Also, the LoD is stated by the developers to be better in the console versions.
The shadow quality is another "if" we will have to wait and see a DF comparison for.
However, you can plainly see that the Definitive version has better physics, the Subsurface Scatter looks absolutely fantastic, and the tweaked assets look great.
They have pretty much said already that they made these assets while working on the Next Gen Tomb Raider, that is no secret.
Also, maybe I can change a registry key and get better perfomence from tress FX, but that is modding, though the simplest level. Right now, The DE for PS4 will look better than the Vanilla Steam version I already own. That is worth it in my opinion.
Can't wait to see the Digital Foundry tear down.
UnrealEck
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For future reference:
TressFX on the PC version
I think they'll cut the strand count down a bit to improve performance. The problem with TressFX's appearance is also the way it doesn't drape over the surface of the character model that the textures are on. Not sure what's going on there.
TressFX on the PC version
I think they'll cut the strand count down a bit to improve performance. The problem with TressFX's appearance is also the way it doesn't drape over the surface of the character model that the textures are on. Not sure what's going on there.
nelsonroyale
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Post comparison footage. It looks less impressive to me on PC. Particuarly the character models. Obviously you seem to know your stuff, but from footage it seems to me they have made some optimisation on the engine and the result being it looks better in this version. Certainly, her face in the PC version is just a higher fidelity version of the version on ps3/360...which looked to be lacking in geometry to me.
BigTnaples
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So, just re-downloaded Tomb Raider on Steam, no mods, just Vanilla. Cranked it up to Ultra and ran the benchmark @1080p.
i7 3770, 16GB Ram, 6950 2GB unlocked/OCed to 6970 spec. (which is approx 2.7TF compared to the PS4's 1.8)
and I get these results. Does it look fantastic? Yes. Mostly because of IQ.
To me, the Definitive Edition looks much better in almost every way aside from IQ, and runs at superior framerate, and on vastly inferior hardware.
i7 3770, 16GB Ram, 6950 2GB unlocked/OCed to 6970 spec. (which is approx 2.7TF compared to the PS4's 1.8)
and I get these results. Does it look fantastic? Yes. Mostly because of IQ.
To me, the Definitive Edition looks much better in almost every way aside from IQ, and runs at superior framerate, and on vastly inferior hardware.