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Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments

Sakurai likes to cause hype with trailers and such, and they're always really cool. That's why I feel pretty bad if this image turns out to be a legit leak.

What I imagine Sakurai would be like;
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I want to hear Iwata singing.
 

GAMERG0D

Member
Model is smoother... overalls buttons are larger and the straps stretch down further...colors are more saturated. Sideburns are shorter, 'stache is darker... and yep. His hands are definitely smaller.

(In reference to the left pic)

Actually, this strong change in Mario's appearance on the "leaked" image seems to imply that more development has been done on the character models, thus... Mario's looking a lot better. Uh oh... I think I'm leaning towards TeamReal...
That's quite a difference in the model. I'm 100% positive it's real now.
Why couldn't Ridley be leaked instead ;_;
 
I really do not know how this works but does anybody have access to the ORIGINAL files/images?

I don't know how EXIF data works but doesn't it say if it was generated in photoshop, or what kind of camera/phone it was taken with? If it was a camera it would say it's OS and location too I believe.

Does anybody have an EXIF data reader program??
 

Ryce

Member
I really do not know how this works but does anybody have access to the ORIGINAL files/images?

I don't know how EXIF data works but doesn't it say if it was generated in photoshop, or what kind of camera/phone it was taken with? If it was a camera it would say it's OS and location too I believe.

Does anybody have an EXIF data reader program??
Is that even legitimate? I often email myself pictures taken with my phone and save them in Photoshop without editing them.
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
I really do not know how this works but does anybody have access to the ORIGINAL files/images?

I don't know how EXIF data works but doesn't it say if it was generated in photoshop, or what kind of camera/phone it was taken with? If it was a camera it would say it's OS and location too I believe.

Does anybody have an EXIF data reader program??
It would just tell us it was a picture taken with a camera. It can't tell us whether the subject on the screen of a 3DS is just an image or a game running.

I mean here's my badly photoshopped screen whose EXIF will say it was edited in Photoshop:
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Whereas this would just say it's a photo (well technically I resized it so it isn't the original but I'm just making a point)
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But here's an online EXIF viewer you can try.

I tested it with mine (using the original photo rather than my resize) and the first one says made in CS5 (which is correct) and the photo says it was taken with my Smartphone (which again is correct).
 

foxuzamaki

Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Ducks? Impostor confirmed. Sakurai only has pics of his cat on his desktop. I should know, my friend's uncle nephew twice removed works there.



You should be happy your fave character got in the game
Lucina where are you? ;-;

She's gonna be a alt for Marth.
 
It would just tell us it was a picture taken with a camera. It can't tell us whether the subject on the screen of a 3DS is just an image or a game running.

I mean here's my badly photoshopped screen whose EXIF will say it was edited in Photoshop:

Whereas this would just say it's a photo (well technically I resized it so it isn't the original but I'm just making a point)


But here's an online EXIF viewer you can try.

I tested it with mine (using the original photo rather than my resize) and the first one says made in CS5 (which is correct) and the photo says it was taken with my Smartphone (which again is correct).

thank you. I found what I believe are the originals (from 4Ch)

I got this, can you decipher it?


File: 894 × 1,238 JPEG (1.1 megapixels)
350,553 bytes (0.33 megabytes) Image compression: 89%
Color Encoding:
WARNING: No color-space metadata and no embedded color profile: Windows and Mac web browsers treat colors randomly.
Images for the web are most widly viewable when in the sRGB color space and with an embedded color profile. See my Introduction to Digital-Image Color Spaces for more information.
JFIF
JFIF Version 1.01
Resolution 96 pixels/inch
File — basic information derived from the file.
File Type JPEG
MIME Type image/jpeg
Encoding Process Baseline DCT, Huffman coding
Bits Per Sample 8
Color Components 3
File Size 342 kB
Image Size 1,238 × 894
Y Cb Cr Sub Sampling YCbCr4:2:0 (2 2)

edit: but although it would probably be pointless if it was an image on a 3DS taken with a camera haha I just thought maybe we could see when it was taken or where it was taken.
 

MagiusNecros

Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Since catching up on this thread is too much work, I tried going to Gamefaqs to catch up on all the new news...big mistake...

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3DS board is better. I made a topic a long time ago where we basically go over all the new screenshots just like on GAF but more concise.

Wii U board for the game is a trainwreck.
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
edit: but although it would probably be pointless if it was an image on a 3DS taken with a camera haha I just thought maybe we could see when it was taken or where it was taken.
Well comparing it to the data my photo spits out it is clear the leak shows far less info. A quick Google search tells me that 4chan now strips the EXIF data from a picture and since 4chan seems to be the source it is basically a dead end.
 

L00P

Member
Model is smoother... overalls buttons are larger and the straps stretch down further...colors are more saturated. Sideburns are shorter, 'stache is darker... and yep. His hands are definitely smaller.

(In reference to the left pic)

Actually, this strong change in Mario's appearance on the "leaked" image seems to imply that more development has been done on the character models, thus... Mario's looking a lot better. Uh oh... I think I'm leaning towards TeamReal...

The 3DS versions of the characters have a distinct, "pocket" kind of look to them. They all have either slightly bigger heads or shorter limbs and their hands and feet are a bit more accentuated compared to their Wii U counterparts. Even the realistically proportioned characters like WFT and Marth appears a bit more pudgier. Makes sense, it would be easier to see them in that tiny 3DS screen that way.

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Just check out Mario's hands. It's kinda hard to tell, but they still look pretty big to me. And this pic was shown three days ago
 

Village

Member
I'd rather she have her own slot as a tag team with Chrom/Avatar. Most likely it'll be Chrom.

I don't think tag teams work with characters with sigular identities. Nana and Popo and Plusil and Minum work because they are known in tandom. Lucinia is a character, she either gotta rock alone, or not rock at all . You can't just throw characters on a tag team, you will do disservice to both characters. They gotta make sense.
 
The 3DS versions of the characters have a distinct, "pocket" kind of look to them. They all have either slightly bigger heads or shorter limbs and their hands and feet are a bit more accentuated compared to their Wii U counterparts. Even the realistically proportioned characters like WFT and Marth appears a bit more pudgier. Makes sense, it would be easier to see them in that tiny 3DS screen that way.

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Just check out Mario's hands. It's kinda hard to tell, but they still look pretty big to me. And this pic was shown three days ago

Hmm... I see what yer saying. I can also definitely see the changes made to his overalls in this image as well.
 

-Horizon-

Member
I don't think tag teams work with characters with sigular identities. Nana and Popo and Plusil and Minum work because they are known in tandom. Lucinia is a character, she either gotta rock alone, or not rock at all . You can't just throw characters on a tag team, you will do disservice to both characters. They gotta make sense.
But FEA was all about pairing characters up to boost stats.
 

PK Gaming

Member
I'll throw out a rudimentary moveset for Palutena.

Her normal moves would comprise staff-fighting and shield-bashing.

Her movement would see her gliding around, Mewtwo-style, as per the
Palutena boss battle
in Uprising.

For holding items, she could magically manipulate them so they levitate in front of her, also Mewtwo-style. This frees up her hands, which are occupied with the shield and staff (although the shield hand would still be free for ledge-grabbing).

Her grappling would also magically manipulate enemies, levitating them in the air, bouncing them, flinging them, etc.

For her specials, her standard B would fire an energy projectile from the tip of her staff -- perhaps several in a row if charged, or spreading out in an arc.

Her forward B could have her dash forward, Fox Illusion-style, on a grind rail -- she was the one who made the grind rails for Pit in Uprising, after all. She could quickly cover a horizontal distance and steamroll foes this way.

Her down B could conjure up a centurion. There are lots of ways they could incorporate centurions -- having them function like King Dedede's Waddle Dees would seem simplest.

Alternatively, her down B could have her hold up her shield, functioning similar to Pit's old shield from Brawl (which has now been modified into the Guardian Orbitars for SSB4).

Her up B would be a "glide mode," where she temporarily can float freely around the screen, a limited distance in any direction before drifting back down to terra firma.

Her Final Smash could have her go into full-blown goddess mode, filling the background of the stage in giant semi-transparent fashion, and raining down destruction with the Palutena Glam Cannon.
I think i'd prefer it if her moveset was based on the moves she actually displayed in KI:U
 

Village

Member
But FEA was all about pairing characters up to boost stats.

That is one thing that doesn't exactly have to carry over. I feel its kind of a disservice to each character if you shove em into one thing . When its just pokemon, or characters who are literally known by a twin identity. Yeah sure. When you start venturing into separate characters with personalities and shit. Thats when you start doing a disservice to them.

also

Smash bros should have tag team bonuses for teams made of characters from the same frachise. And characters who share simular traits or personality traits. Like jump ultimate stars

bam problem solved
 

Ryce

Member
I don't think tag teams work with characters with sigular identities. Nana and Popo and Plusil and Minum work because they are known in tandom. Lucinia is a character, she either gotta rock alone, or not rock at all . You can't just throw characters on a tag team, you will do disservice to both characters. They gotta make sense.
What doesn't make sense about pairing Lucina with someone else? That's one of Awakening's defining gameplay mechanics. Also, Diddy and Dixie Kong are much more well-known than Chrom and Lucina, and they were originally going to be a tag team in Brawl.
 

Neiteio

Member
I think i'd prefer it if her moveset was based on the moves she actually displayed in KI:U
I put over 110 hours into Kid Icarus Uprising, and even I'm surprised how many moves she had in that game. She has enough moves to be in a Street Fighter or Marvel vs. Capcom, lol. I don't think I've seen some of these because I didn't play that chapter on 9.0 yet.
 

Village

Member
What doesn't make sense about pairing Lucina with someone else?
" hey my favorite character was included in smash... and is tethered to ... someone i hate... oh... oh......oh"

All these problems and more can be fixed by, making separate characters since they distinct personalities.

That's one of Awakening's defining gameplay mechanics. Also, Diddy and Dixie Kong are much more well-known than Chrom and Lucina, and they were originally going to be a tag team in Brawl.
I know and endorse the way they went with it and if dixie cup does arrive, she will be seperate.

Also, uh you can't use the " defining game play mechanic" argument. Since there are plenty of people who's entire move sets or existing on a smash bros roster goes against their game play mechanics.
You know as well as i , sakurai will just throw stuff in there because it will make it more enjoyable. Also smash bros isn't fire emblem, so the character and the fighting style needs to be included not its mechanics to a high degree. Or is smash gonna start having hit points?
 

Ryce

Member
Also smash bros isn't fire emblem, so the character and the fighting style needs to be included not its mechanics to a high degree. Or is smash gonna start having hit points?
Well, obviously. I’m just saying — it isn’t crazy to think Chrom and Lucina might be paired together, since it would represent Awakening and offer a play style completely distinct from Marth and Ike. Also, they’re not high priority characters. They appeared in one game together two years ago. People aren’t going to revolt if they’re paired together.
 

FlynnCL

Unconfirmed Member
I put over 110 hours into Kid Icarus Uprising, and even I'm surprised how many moves she had in that game. She has enough moves to be in a Street Fighter or Marvel vs. Capcom, lol. I don't think I've seen some of these because I didn't play that chapter on 9.0 yet.

I'm pretty surprised too. I always knew she'd be a good character for Smash Bros after finishing Uprising, but yeah, there's a lot Sakurai can work with. Y'know, considering she's a goddess and all...

From the attacks there, she could even have a Melee Mewtwo-esque attack in her charging Mirror Shield which'll put an opponent in a dazed state.

Also, I wonder if Pit's omission of his Mirror Shield would mean that Sakurai is "giving" it to Palutena (if she does exist for Smash 4).
 

I'M FINISHED!

Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
meh

I would prefer getting dizzy in the Smash cycle over watching people swim in a leak of unconfirmed liquid while others attempt to patch it.
 

Village

Member
Well, obviously. I’m just saying — it isn’t crazy to think Chrom and Lucina might be paired together, since it would represent Awakening and offer a play style completely distinct from Marth and Ike..
They don't need to be distinct. they are swordsmen/women ect, what they do is already cool.

Also, they’re not high priority characters. They appeared in one game together two years ago. .
Then why would sakurai even go through the trouble of even coming up witha contrived duel swordsman thing if they were going to be included, instead of including one. That is the other I never got about teaming them up, you only really need like the one, its fire emblem.

People aren’t going to revolt if they’re paired together
I don't know, i knew a lot of people who stopped playing pokemon trainer until l mods because they couldn't just play as bulbisuar.

We obviously don't even know if they are going to be included, so we are just arguing at nothing. However the tag team notion is always something in cases like these has is the least attractive option. I rather have 1 character represented well than 2 jammed into one.

For all those reading without context, this excluding characters like nana and popo who kind of have to exit with eachother. And the pokemon trainer , although i would like an option with him where as i can just select charizard and call it a day with out having to do all the switching.
 
You know, I kinda sorta get the others, but I don't see why people think ROB will be cut. The idea seems to be based on ROB's apparent reception among fans, ignoring his place in Nintendo's history.

It's kinda like how people expected Other M not to be represented in this game because it wasn't received very well by fans. Look what happened there.

Yeah, you make good points. I may have the wrong idea about R.O.B.; despite fan reception, he is a unique addition to the roster and there's no real reason for him to be cut. Yeah, now I'm thinking that of all the potential cuts I proposed, R.O.B. is probably the one I'm likeliest to be wrong about.
 

MagiusNecros

Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Moving on. With Kid Icarus Uprising as an example do you think Sakurai will implement a variety of control styles for the user? For both Wii U and 3DS.
 

rawktapus

Member
Moving on. With Kid Icarus Uprising as an example do you think Sakurai will implement a variety of control styles for the user? For both Wii U and 3DS.

Brawl had pretty customisable controls, I would expect this to be the same case. I wouldn't even be surprised if he tries to implement touch screen controls somehow, just because he could.
 

DaBoss

Member
Except dual-analog controls in Kid Icarus Uprising with the Circle Pad Pro.

And that brings up another point, the 2DS doesn't have a Circle Pad Pro at all and will definitely not get one unless Nintendo are that crazy to design something that would work for the massive 2DS.
 
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