-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
¡¡¡¡¡ Street Fighter 4 announced !!!!! (and Dark Void, and Lost Planet PS3, and more)
- Thread starter Spider_Jerusalem
- Start date
JoshuaJSlone
Member
I'm not up with the history on this. It's really as simple as that that the company abandoned IP rights to its overseas subsidiary?Extollere said:
Sho_Nuff82
Member
This is the best news I've read all year (re: Capcom Japan). 
I told you Capcom wouldn't screw this up.
I told you Capcom wouldn't screw this up.
http://www.mobygames.com/game/dreamcast/street-fighter-iii-3rd-strike-fight-for-the-future/credits
Eh, most of the "planners" and producers of 3rd Strike seem to still be around Capcom. Who knows who's actually working on SF4.
Eh, most of the "planners" and producers of 3rd Strike seem to still be around Capcom. Who knows who's actually working on SF4.
freethought
Member
Fatghost said:
Only if it's just a carbon copy of those games. There is quite literally nothing I would want less out of a Street Fighter game. The whole genre needs to take a giant leap forward and I for one want SFIV to be the game that makes that leap. I'm hoping we'll need a new paradigm beyond just 2D or 3D when we finally see what SFIV actually is. I have to say, if it is just a 2D game I'll be slightly dissapointed but if it turns out to be a 3D fighter in the vein of VF or Tekken I'll be fucking incensed.
I know a lot of the SF3 crowd are just looking for an update in the series, and believe me, I would love to see it. But if anyone has the balls to reinvent the genre, it's Capcom, and if any IP has the mass appeal to pull it off, it's Street Fighter.
Mr_Furious
Member
Then it is possible for a 2D SF4. Just sayingFatghost said:
Fatghost said:
Thats because those said games have been the same (albeit tweaked) over the past few years. Plus the fact that they've been lacking an online mode means most people can't justify paying full price for something they won't play again after an hour. This becomes a problem when you own previous installments of said franchises already.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Aren't a few Street Fighter vets on that dev team that made Super Dragon Ball Z?jett said:
Kyoufu said:
Ehhh.. not really.. fighting games just aren't as big as other types of games these days. Thats all there is to it.
Fighting games aren't casual games to any sort of degree either. Its the kind of thing were you really have to put a lot of hours into any of those games for them to have much replay value. People aren't really into that kind of shit anymore. They'd rather have games where you play, get to a certain point, continue, complete some sort of objective, be able to "beat it" etc. None of that is really in fighting games.
Also, fighting games are only really fun with another human opponent. Even online wont deliver the same experience. Anyway, you put that all together and thats why fighting games will always be a niche and never really sell as much as say Halo or even GoW or w/e.
freethought said:
Well, let's be honest about Street Fighter's mass appeal:
It's pretty much gone. All the hype and buzz on the net right now is the hardcore SF fan base.
So just releasing SF4 3-D isn't going to reverse the fighting game genre's fortunes on its own.
Either 2D or 3D, the game has to be something special to re-ignite the genre.
There are advantages to going 2D:
- Scaleable...2D could mean it can be done on every platform, from Cell phones to DS to PSP to Wii to PS2 to PS3 and X360.
- Grass roots support. The SF community would definately be happier with a 2D game based on the pre-ponderance of posts on the various communities
- Unique. (unique-ish anyway
) Instead of having to be compared to Tekken 6, SC4 and VF5, SF4 can be largely alone and may do better as a result.- Simpler. As complex as SF3 is, 2D is inherently simpler to get into than 3D. If Capcom wants to re-capture the casual's imaginations with SF4 like they did with SF2, they aren't going to want to go with a highly technical complex 3D fighter. 2 dimensions (whether it's with 3D graphics or 2D graphics) is easier for this. As Smash Bros shows.
GitarooMan
Member
This is the key for SF4, even though the small hardcore crowd might cry and cry, they need to take the complexity down a notch.Fatghost said:
jordan0386
Member
Fatghost said:Well, let's be honest about Street Fighter's mass appeal:
It's pretty much gone. All the hype and buzz on the net right now is the hardcore SF fan base.
So just releasing SF4 3-D isn't going to reverse the fighting game genre's fortunes on its own.
Either 2D or 3D, the game has to be something special to re-ignite the genre.
There are advantages to going 2D:
- Scaleable...2D could mean it can be done on every platform, from Cell phones to DS to PSP to Wii to PS2 to PS3 and X360.
- Grass roots support. The SF community would definately be happier with a 2D game based on the pre-ponderance of posts on the various communities
- Unique. (unique-ish anyway
- Simpler. As complex as SF3 is, 2D is inherently simpler to get into than 3D. If Capcom wants to re-capture the casual's imaginations with SF4 like they did with SF2, they aren't going to want to go with a highly technical complex 3D fighter. 2 dimensions (whether it's with 3D graphics or 2D graphics) is easier for this. As Smash Bros shows.
Dont underestimate the love for Ken and Ryu...Street Fighter is gonna be big and talked about, alot, outside of the internet...once its marketing is done right...imo
jordan0386 said:
Well I think SF4 will hit bigger than SF3...which was ultimately dismissed by too many people with the glut of shiny new 3D fighters and the fact that there were still annual updates of SF via the Alpha and Versus games...
I don't think SF4 is going to approach say, Halo levels of hype. It's still going to be a pretty hard core franchise.
jordan0386
Member
Fatghost said:
If the GS and the EBs put up the promotional work, folks will start to care..."oh, they making a new Street Fighter?"
Perhaps SF4 is tempting enough to lure some of the older staff back to Capcom? Regardless, it's funny that negativity towards this game, which we know _NOTHING_ about, continues even all around the internets after revealing it's being made by Capcom Japan.
Yes, that's Craft & Meister, if I remember the developer's name correctly.
twinturbo2 said:
Yes, that's Craft & Meister, if I remember the developer's name correctly.
twinturbo2 said:
That game was developed by Arika, directed by Akira Nishitani and produced by Noritaka Funamizu.
For reference, here are the names of the SF designers:
SF 1:
Takashi Nishiyama, director (DIMPS president)
Hiroshi Matsumoto, planner (DIMPS producer)
SF 2:
Akira "Nin" Nishitani
Akiman (freelance)
SSF2:
Noritaka "Poo" Funamizu
Haruo "Mucchi" Murata (RE 5 writer)
SFA:
Noritaka Funamizu
Haruo Murata
Hideaki Itsuno (DMC 4 director)
SFA2:
Noritaka Funamizu
Hidetoshi "Neo_G" Ishizawa (still works at Capcom)
"Kanetaka"
SFA 3:
Naoto Ohta (Ape Escape producer)
Mamoru Ohhashi (DMC 4 planner)
"Buruma"
Kazuki "Ohko" Matsue (Megaman psp remakes director)
SF 3 NG:
Seto Yasuhiro (RE Umbrella director)
Tomonori "Numach" Ohnuma
Shinichiro Obata (Gundam Seed: Federation vs. Z.A.F.T. 2 main designer)
"Halachie du Harais"
Hidetoshi Ishizawa
SF 3 2I:
Seto Yasuhiro
Hidetoshi Ishizawa
Tomonori Ohnuma
SF 3 3S:
Hidetoshi Ishizawa
Haruo Murata
Tomonori Ohnuma
Yasunori Ichinose (Monster Hunter P director)
Tomoshi Sadamoto
freethought
Member
Fatghost said:
I think your wrong about Street Fighter's appeal, this thread is proof that it isn't just the SF hardcore who are excited. I think you're underestimating the name recognition of the series as well. If it is just a retread of old 2D or 3D mechanics then no, it isn't going to have much mass appeal, it will have to do something brand new to be the new SFII, but I think that was what I was driving at.
So an old school 2D game will only appeal to the SF hardcore and a traditional 3D fighter will arguably have even less appeal. But something new, genuinely innovative and carrying the Street Fighter name; man, that could be huge, Street Fighter II huge.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
It seems like a good portion of those guys still work at Capcom, or are still in the industry somehow. Good sign? Yeah, I think so.vala said:
NeonZ
Member
I don't see how implementing an objective-single player focused structure in a fighting game is troublesome. Yes, it's not a feature required by hardcore fans, but, if they want to sell to people beyond the fanbase, they pretty much will need a developed single player experience in today's market.
They'll need to use resources to do that, but that's the only real negativity of adding it.
The traditional way of making single players in fighting games is to make a quick Arcade mode, where the player faces random computer controlled opponents, 1-3 sub bosses and a final boss - There might be cutscenes/animation for the boss fights and ending, but that's it.
I think they should include a fairly bare bones "Arcade" mode, maybe without even real individual endings, and just focus on a longer, console focused, single player mode.
They don't need to implement some kind of "Tekken Force" or "Konquest" mode or anything - just use the core gameplay, whatever it is, to do it and tell a fairly lengthy storyline, showing every character, through the standard fighting engine - something like Soul Calibur's old Weapon Master mode, only using the actual characters (rather than using their models to represent different people- WTH was up with that anyway?) and replacing most of the narration with on-screen dialog and cutscenes.
Icomeinpeace
Banned
The problem with SF3 was that the characters design was somewhat lacking, CRMK wasn't onboard for it and it showed, plus most people (casuals) mention that they missed Guile and Blanka and the other popular characters, I hear the same thing for SF4, they want the classic characters back as well as new characters, I think if most of the characters from SF2 are back it would generate a good word for the game.
I also think that Bengus aka CRMK is still at Capcom but not as a lead designer? I don't know know where I read this but I think it was at Capcom's board.
I also think that Bengus aka CRMK is still at Capcom but not as a lead designer? I don't know know where I read this but I think it was at Capcom's board.
freethought
Member
Fatghost said:
See, that is the main reason to fear my dream scenario. It could fail, hard. A 2D iteration would most likely be awesome. Still, the bigger the risk, the bigger the reward.
Icomeinpeace
Banned
vala said:
Oh my, I was wrong on both accounts, I was under the impression that Ikeno designed SF3 characters as well as Nishimura.
Mr_Furious
Member
Way to set yourself up for disappointment. Even if it is great, it probably won't be "earth-shattering".camineet said: