alexandros
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I don't know it will and I never said so. Valve said it and we'll see if it's true or not. As for EA, don't be so sure. There seems to be movement on that front.
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$499 Steam Machine from iBuyPower Revealed [Up: AMD CPU, Radeon 270 GPU]
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I don't know it will and I never said so. Valve said it and we'll see if it's true or not. As for EA, don't be so sure. There seems to be movement on that front.
I was planning to get one of those controllers, but i don't like having to ship them from the US. Hope they'll be available locally, but with the small production they seem to be planning...
That's nto really in full context. Certain functions can be done faster on a console vs a PC. Gaming engines are not made up solely of those functions, however, so in the rela world it's nothing liek that.
Not only that but modern API's can and do mitigate this considerably. Throw in mantle and Steam OS, an OS speciallized and optimized for gaming and you might as well be talking about another console.
Grampa Simpson
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Any idea if they're going to have any official support for xinput compatable devices, or if that will be on a game by game basis?
According to Valve yes. But we don't have benchmarks, at least I don't think so.
I don't think anyone said anything about high / very high settings.
Mobius and pet octopus
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PC 12B
All home consoles combined 27B
http://news.xbox.com/2013/05/x360-aaron-greenberg-industry-growth
I really don't see how this is bad for PC but maybe that's just me.
The biggest PC retailer (steam) is not a publicly owned company and therefore is not require to make public financial disclosures. I wouldn't exactly call that chart an accurate representation, seeing as it doesn't appear to include any steam sales.
Let's first state for the record that your previous smug quote was completely wrong in the given context.
Moving on to your new point, none of the new consoles run a real-time operating system so I really do wonder about that.
Xinput controller support is built natively into the Linux kernel, but I haven't tested it myself to confirm. I imagine you could probably test with the current Linux versions of the Source engine games to confirm that. If the game you want supports Xinput devices on Windows, supporting it on the Linux/SteamOS version should be easy.
Man. If Valve patched four-player splitscreen into PC Left 4 Dead...
PandaPedinte
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Yes.
bishopcruz
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That's still a HUGE drop in essentially 6 months. zomg, if you're listening, it would be amazing to get a price breakdown on this thing, because it doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to me.
Again, not saying it's impossible, but PC prices on CPUs and GPUs haven't dropped all that much recently, it's usually a greater bit of power and performance for the price. Again, a strong APU model for $499 makes sense. I just have trouble seeing how even in 6 months a third party supplier could pull off something with a 270 for that price and still make enough for it to be worthwhile. If I am missing something, or there are actual numbers that show this I am all for it, but until I see them I am going to remain a skeptic on the price point.
He talks about low level hardware access and optimisation for it, not OS overhead. But the interview is well worth a read.
I understand that, their only barometer for performance was "all games in 1080p at 60fps", but there are some games out now that a R9 270 can't handle at that unless you drop down to medium settings. How is it going to fair in 5 years from now?
Grampa Simpson
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Sounds good to me as long as I can keep buying Logitech F710 controllers for this, I'll be happy.
I bet they could garner some steam machine sales simply by including exclusive Dota 2 and TF2 hats lmao
So true. I'm insecure. I don't know if I will play The Witcher 3 at 60 fps using 3072x1920 or 2880x1800 with AA. Many doubts around me.
Because neither the FreeBSD nor the Windows NT kernel are hard real-time capable. Unless you mean to imply that they were changed to such a significant extent, at which point I would put the burden of proof on the one making the claim.
Honestly, I really do wonder why it's even relevant whether or not they are. The purported "OS overhead" advantages you want to argue for are completely orthogonal to whether or not the OS and its scheduler are real-time capable. In fact, if anything the constraints imposed by being required to fulfill hard real-time constraints probably induce additional overhead in general day-to-day performance. Since these consoles aren't running the brakes on a car or navigating a space shuttle, I don't see why you would use a real-time OS.
My assumption for why you brought it up is because you probably think "RTOS" sounds good.
This is pretty cool. I would like:
If those points are covered, I'm in. $500 is fine.
- 100% hassle-free downloading and installing of games.
- No necessary tinkering with settings to play games in 1080p60.
- Good 3rd party support. Not just Valve and indie games, but also 3rd party AAA games.
- If I don't like the controller I want to be able to use a traditional one (DS4 via USB?).
If those points are covered, I'm in. $500 is fine.
brain_stew
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That's an absolutely fantastic price point for those specs with the controller included. I was in the market for a HTPC but I'm definitely going to wait for a Steam Machine now. Just waiting for Plex support now.
fizzelopeguss
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Aye, my nephews play fucking minecraft and roblox, they make their own levels and shit. When they want something a bit more shooty they fire up world of tanks...which frankly has a hell of a learning curve to it.
megabytecr
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That is actually amazing. Plus:
Having a never ending library (No BC BS)
Mods will be there
Steam prices
SteamOS will have performance boost over Win
Flexibility, you can do with it what you want, install Linux, Win, whatever
I was sold on a PS4 and will probably still get one but way later as a SP machine for all the worthwhile exclusives. For now free MP with SteamMachine/Wii U
Now I need a techie. I think I have some interesting questions.
SteamOS is based on linux, which will probably use OpenGL. PS4 uses a modification of OpenGL. Games on windows I think can use either DirectX or also OpenGL. Now knowing this
In theory and given the above games should be fairly easy to port to SteamOS?
Can devs just start using OpenGL from the start when creating their games on Win, then just make sure they run on SteamOS, this should be fairly easy?
If answers are Yes and Yes supporting SteamOS will be relatively straightforward for devs, this is critical as always, although you can just install Windows on this SteamMachines. Either way they are a no brainer for me. Will get one in the $700-$800 price range.
Grampa Simpson
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Plex Home Theater came out, and I'm pretty sure there's a linux branch somewhere for it - I think they reforked from XBMC not too long ago. If that's some sort of fail, you can always use PlexBMC which is just a plugin for XBMC to support PMS as a back end.
When it comes to the biggest arguments: hardware manufacturers and AAA 3rd party support, none of that can really be discussed anymore here until CES.
It'll be interesting to see who actually backs Steam OS. Several big publishers already make all their PC games Steamworks: SEGA, Zenimax (Bethesda), Square Enix (Eidos), 2K, etc. I imagine those would be the most likely to make their AAA games support Steam OS. Getting the next Call of Duty on there (which is very possible since every COD since MW2 has shipped with Steam) would go a long way. Of course the big outliers are EA, Ubisoft, and Blizzard. I think the best Valve could hope for is that, in the long run, Steam OS becomes big enough for EA, Ubisoft, and Blizzard to release Linux versions of Origin, UPlay, and Battle.net respectively.
It'll be interesting to see who actually backs Steam OS. Several big publishers already make all their PC games Steamworks: SEGA, Zenimax (Bethesda), Square Enix (Eidos), 2K, etc. I imagine those would be the most likely to make their AAA games support Steam OS. Getting the next Call of Duty on there (which is very possible since every COD since MW2 has shipped with Steam) would go a long way. Of course the big outliers are EA, Ubisoft, and Blizzard. I think the best Valve could hope for is that, in the long run, Steam OS becomes big enough for EA, Ubisoft, and Blizzard to release Linux versions of Origin, UPlay, and Battle.net respectively.
I call bullshit. That thing will not run ARMA III all settings maxed 1080P/60FPS. If we are talking low settings, fuck that....
I just googled and couldn't find anything by Timothy Lottes about "RTOS".
Wow, that's a pretty competitive price point. If you wanted to buy an Xbone primarily to play Titanfall, why wouldn't you go for the Steam Machine now instead? Its game library is much better as well (unless you care about Halo or Forza).
Oops. Should've read more than the headline. I totally didn't think of that. Well, let's hope Valve somehow turns Linux into a viable alternative for gamers in the long run.
Oops. Should've read more than the headline. I totally didn't think of that. Well, let's hope Valve somehow turns Linux into a viable alternative for gamers in the long run.
Apparently there are "significant performance gains" over windows, although this has yet to be demonstrated. I'd expect this to be shown at CES in January or through Steam Dev Days. Either way it would have to be in the near future as the machines are due for mid 2014.
Interestingly, the Steam Controller's latency performance will be slightly handicapped by anything other than steam machines or their supplied dongle at first.
From: http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/11/04/how-valve-engineered-the-perfect-controller?page=2
Don't think there's gonna be a linux build of titanfall.
ashecitism
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he removed it after Xbox fans started attacking him (he likened it to a DVR), but there was a thread on here
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510076
keyword being if
Not going to happen...unless you count "Low" graphic setting. This is going to be a weird console/PC hybrid and I'm still not sold on it yet. With PCs, no matter what, you have to tinker with settings. It's how it works. And since literally every game is trying to be able to run on every PC within the realm of it's system requirements, there's really no way they can guarantee an optimal experience for every game on a Steambox...unless of courses developers start developing for a particular model of Steambox, which isn't going to happen. Ever.
Let's say I'm still skeptical, but interested.
The Cartographer
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Looks pretty cool.
You need to remember that this doesn't run all PC games. It runs the ones that are Linux compatible... which is very few (but will obviously grow over time). You won't be seeing TitanFall on SteamOS.
That said, I'll probably be looking at one of these in the next couple years as the tech pulls away from consoles a bit more.
OMG dude..that IS THE EXACT SOME THING i thought of when i seen it and then i seen your reply. rotflmao
I think this is great news for EVERYONE. I'm not sure why the console gamer sont his thread heap ont he hate on ANYTHING PC related. Specially something like this.
Competition is a good thing. Imagine if SteamOS and Steam machines take off. Ok, you're in love with Sony or Microsoft and dont' want to touch icky PC's. We got it. But if it DOES do well, you now have a paltform offering things like mods and low prices in the living room. Guess what Sony and Microsoft might want to make damn sure happnes on THEIR platforms?
Competition is good for ALL gamers. Stop being so short-sighted.
Competition is a good thing. Imagine if SteamOS and Steam machines take off. Ok, you're in love with Sony or Microsoft and dont' want to touch icky PC's. We got it. But if it DOES do well, you now have a paltform offering things like mods and low prices in the living room. Guess what Sony and Microsoft might want to make damn sure happnes on THEIR platforms?
Competition is good for ALL gamers. Stop being so short-sighted.
Sentenza
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I guess?
They lack virtually any single feature vaguely in common.
SteveWinwood
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-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
Hardly anything will max ARMA 3
GillianSeed79
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Was not expecting $500. That's awesome. How does a R9 270 graphics card stack up against a Radeon HD5870? That's what I have in my laptop and I don't think it's going to be able to run stuff well starting very soon.
I'd like to see other Steam Machines, but $500 seems reasonable. You can upgrade the graphics cards right? I'd think about dropping $500 on one and then maybe upgrading to a better graphics card a couple of months later or a year later.
My only gripe is that it's only going to play Linux-based games right? Can I install Windows on it and play my non-Linux Steam games on it?
I'd like to see other Steam Machines, but $500 seems reasonable. You can upgrade the graphics cards right? I'd think about dropping $500 on one and then maybe upgrading to a better graphics card a couple of months later or a year later.
My only gripe is that it's only going to play Linux-based games right? Can I install Windows on it and play my non-Linux Steam games on it?
megabytecr
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Yes, very flexible system, it can make coffee too.
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