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[IcyBlueStrawberry]

Only the thousands of folks with televisions that predate HDMI.

Why buy a new PS3 to go with an old TV then?

It's not as if functionality is being nerfed for older models.

 

[McLovin]

all the people in the thread explaining why they don't use hdmi cables?

Question: Will these work? HDMI to Component cable $19.99
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001IUQB2W/?tag=neogaf0e-20

 

[Sweeper17]

I still a old school TV that uses component input for best picture. No matter what anybody says Xbox360 still looks 100x better than PS2 on a shit TV

 

[alr1ght]

Well SONY I still own a SDTV and don't plan on upgrading I don't think XBOX would ever do this tho.

It's a shame that you won't be able to output in HD to your SDTV.

 

[Raistlin]

The MPAA has it's moments of being good. Gotta protect IP holders, but this DRM is just stupid, especially since the AACS was already freaking cracked 2 years ago.

Well the DRM has been cracked in-so-far as copying/ripping BD movies. I believe this specif mandate is at the HW level on players.

Hell, in a couple years the next step actually gets activated. New players will simply not have analog at all.




Side note: We should probably me more specific when discussion the AACS (me included). Everyone's kind of using the term loosely to represent the founding companies, the physical DRM, and the actual DRM agreement. It's quite muddy.

 

[Auto_aim1]

Why buy a new PS3 to go with an old TV then?

It's not as if functionality is being nerfed for older models.

What if the older models aren't available?

 

[Raistlin]

Well SONY I still own a SDTV and don't plan on upgrading

smh





AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA





smh

 

[Utako]

Any benefit using component out HDMI?

You have to update sometime. An HDTV without HDMI is an old TV.

 

[DatBreh]

Why buy a new PS3 to go with an old TV then?

It's not as if functionality is being nerfed for older models.

Wow, today i learned people buy new tvs to go with their gaming consoles. All these years i have been using the same tv for all these systems. I guess i better start saving up for a TV with the next gen of systems.

 

[Projectjustice]

Thats a pretty shitty move by Sony. There are a lot of people using HDTV with just components.

 

[YoungFa]

The clause is 2 years old know, and since then you'd knew that somewhen not later than 2011 analog hd support had to be removed from the console. And on the back of the box it reads:

Design and specifications are subject to change without notice

It still sucks for component hd users though.

 

[Raistlin]

Requiring HDMI isn't much of a problem.

The problem is not including HDMI in the box and requiring people to buy them because most stores will try to sell a $100 Monster HDMI cable to gullible purchasers.

The reality is you have the chicken/egg backwards here.


Stores pressure manufacturers to not include HDMI cables because it's one of the areas they make high margins.

 

[Stumpokapow]

Question: Will these work?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001IUQB2W/?tag=neogaf0e-20

No. You need an HDCP stripper (HDFury is the most common brandname ~$200 USD)

 

[polyh3dron]

HDMI cables are like $1.

aahahahahaha you so funny

 

[AbsoluteZero]

Why buy a new PS3 to go with an old TV then?

Because the old TV still works perfectly.

 

[Stumpokapow]

aahahahahaha you so funny

$1.96 if you're willing to go with a 1.5 foot cable but the point isn't the cheapest cost of an HDMI cable, it's that the average customer is going to get fleeced and people who want to use component will be screwed over for no reason.

Why buy a new PS3 to go with an old TV then?

It's not as if functionality is being nerfed for older models.

oh my god really

 

[McLovin]

aahahahahaha you so funny

I can buy them in store for 4-5$ so thats probably not too far off.

No. You need an HDCP stripper (HDFury is the most common brandname ~$200 USD)

Well that sucks.

 

[Drkirby]

Doesn't sound like to major of a deal. It will effect some people, but many consumers don't even realize component can transmit HD. This will suck for people who need a new system and have an older HDTV though.

Plus, official playstation component cables cost $25.

 

[Emitan]

aahahahahaha you so funny

He was exaggerating. It's more like $2 for one.

i have one.


When was the cutoff for mandating HDMI on HDTVs? 2006?

I might "upgrade" to a HD CRT with HDMI at some point then.

 

[IcyBlueStrawberry]

$1.96 if you're willing to go with a 1.5 foot cable but the point isn't the cheapest cost of an HDMI cable, it's that the average customer is going to get fleeced and people who want to use component will be screwed over for no reason.



oh my god really

I don't mean it in a "buy a new TV for your new PS3" way.

I mean that if you need to fulfill certain requirements to use a product, why complain about it? If your TV has HDMI then great, use it to play HD games. If not, that sucks, but it's not as if you haven't had options.

 

[Gaogaogao]

How does that help folks with older, non-HDMI HDTVs?

It helps convince them to get a modern tv, lol. Or just get one that works right now.

 

[McLovin]

Doesn't sound like to major of a deal. It will effect some people, but most consumers don't even realize component can transmit HD.

Thats true, I mean I know people that have multiple hdmi ports and have their system hooked up through composite(rca) cables. Most people wont know, but a small percentage will be screwed.

 

[Massa]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Access_Content_System

It's what's known as a necessary evil.

Fixed.

 

[jackdoe]

Doesn't really seem to be a big deal to be frankly honest (hell, my old ass five year old HDTV has HDMI ports) but it doesn't make sense since Sony makes a killing on their proprietary component cables. Why take away HD game support?

 

[YoungFa]

Doesn't sound like to major of a deal. It will effect some people, but most consumers don't even realize component can transmit HD.

Plus, official playstation component cables cost $25.

Most users hook up their ps3 via composite/scart to their hdtv. Sad but true.

 

[pestul]

He was exaggerating. It's more like $2 for one.


I might "upgrade" to a HD CRT with HDMI at some point then.

Actually he was probably laughing where most people still spend $39.99 for them when they can be had for $2. :S

 

[Stumpokapow]

I don't mean it in a "buy a new TV for your new PS3" way.

I mean that if you need to fulfill certain requirements to use a product, why complain about it? If your TV has HDMI then great, use it to play HD games. If not, that sucks, but it's not as if you haven't had options.

You didn't mean that you should have to buy a new TV for a new PS3, you only meant that you should have to buy a new TV for a new PS3 to play it in HD! Now the argument makes much more sense!

 

[Speevy]

That's a pretty stupid move, but we're late enough in the generation that it doesn't really matter.

 

[Raistlin]

The reality is Sony obviously needs to decouple its game output versus BD (unless they fucked up and there's no way to get around it with the licensing agreements).

Hopefully this is just a misinterpretation and it really isn't in reference to games - just movies. Obviously the history with HDCP makes me cautious, but that's a different scenario.


Let me put it this way, the next step (end of 2013) is that BD will not transfer over analog ... at all. Obviously I don't see Sony requiring HDMI for HD gaming for PS4 (and PS3 if it's still around). That would be a bit surprising ... but who knows, it's a ways away.

Question: Will these work? HDMI to Component cable $19.99
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001IUQB2W/?tag=neogaf0e-20

No mention of support for HDCP (and based on reviews, obviously it ain't there).

So no.

 

[Stumpokapow]

That's a pretty stupid move, but we're late enough in the generation that it doesn't really matter.

We're... less than half-way through the generation by Sony's counting.

 

[jackdoe]

You didn't mean that you should have to buy a new TV for a new PS3, you only meant that you should have to buy a new TV for a new PS3 to play it in HD! Now the argument makes much more sense!

To be fair though, if you don't have an HDTV with an HDMI port, you are already gimping the current PS3 in terms of Blu-ray playback.

 

[larvi]

My gaming HDTV doesn't have HDMI. I have ps2/GC/xbox hooked up with component, 360 with VGA and a home theatre PC with DVI. I guess I won't be adding a PS3 to it now which I was eventually planning on.

 

[Hazelhurst]

So, now I have to buy a brand new HDTV just to play PS3 games in HD since my HDTV is apparently too old now? Fantastic.

If I'm reading it right, this only affects the newest model PS3s.

 

[alr1ght]

My gaming HDTV doesn't have HDMI. I have ps2/GC/xbox hooked up with component, 360 with VGA and a home theatre PC with DVI. I guess I won't be adding a PS3 to it now which I was eventually planning on.

buy one now.

 

[TouchMyBox]

Spend $1000 on new TV

Or

Pirate movies

Good move, movie industry.

 

[Emitan]

That's a pretty stupid move, but we're late enough in the generation that it doesn't really matter.

So it's not a dick move if they do it 5 years after the system comes out? I wasn't aware time makes bad things automatically OK.

Spend $1000 on new TV

Or

Pirate movies

Good move, movie industry.

Yeah... I only watch movies on Netflix so most movie studio DRM doesn't affect me but their business practices are...illogical at best.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

The thing I just simply don't understand is why is a system this power too stupid to understand when a game or movie is being played? Why is movie DRM coming over to the game part?

It will still run composite, S-video and component in standard definition.

Oh, I missed it as they were getting rid of the entire port. The one that does both HD and SD.

Not the first. The PS2 lost a network/HD bay extension

Not true, as the original PS2 launch units didn't have an HDD bay then it was added, then it was taken away but the very first launch units lacked an HDD bay.

Useless for new ones. They're not updating all existing PS3s to stop using component, just all newly manufactured ones.

Unless they remove the feature through firmware... which they have done in the past.

Guys, its a blu-ray sunset provision, so you can't blame a hardware manufacturer like Sony.

Instead, blame a movie studio, like Sony.

This reminds me of when Jack Tretton blamed the bloated movie prices of UMD's on the movie studios. Movie studios.... like Sony Pictures.

 

[alr1ght]

Good move, movie industry.

which is kind of strange, as AACS was cracked years ago.

So it's not a dick move if they do it 5 years after the system comes out? I wasn't aware time makes bad things automatically OK.

They aren't gimping your present PS3, this only affects new models. All new models have to meet a specification to be sold as a blu-ray player, which the PS3 is. Why they're gimping the game output, I don't know.

 

[Raistlin]

Fixed.

Not at all.

Like it or not, reality is the new media formats simply wouldn't have existed without it. I don't like it any more than you, but I realize it had to happen.


Just look at the companies that founded AACS. They came together to create a bridge so the two opposing sides (CE's and content providers) could communicate. Basically they were the adults in the room during negotiations to make sure neither side was getting bent over too much.

which is kind of strange, as AACS was cracked years ago.

different things

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Spend $1000 on new TV

Or

Pirate movies

Good move, movie industry.

Huh?

Any modern TV does HDMI. You don't have to spend $1000.

 

[grap3fruitman]

Back in my day, when they released newer electronics, they made them better instead of worse.

Also, relevant:

 

[Emitan]

Back in my day, when they released newer electronics, they made them better instead of worse.

Also, relevant:

When are my consoles going to support 16:10? I'm tired of black bars.

 

[Raistlin]

To be fair though, if you don't have an HDTV with an HDMI port, you are already gimping the current PS3 in terms of Blu-ray playback.

Not necessarily

 

[larvi]

buy one now.

Send me the money.

 

[NateDrake]

This sucks if you buy this new model, but the email states it doesn't have any affect on the other models available at retail just this new 'K' 160GB model.

Odd decision nonetheless.

 

[IcyBlueStrawberry]

You didn't mean that you should have to buy a new TV for a new PS3, you only meant that you should have to buy a new TV for a new PS3 to play it in HD! Now the argument makes much more sense!

-_-

Maybe I'm not communicating my point correctly.

Old PS3's will still exist, both new and used. It's not as if Sony is forcing you to buy a new model. If your (likely) aging TV doesn't support HDMI, then you can't get angry at Sony for phasing out something that is increasingly rare. If you already have an HDTV and use component cables with your PS3 then you're fine. If you don't have a newer TV and want to buy a new PS3 then you're going to have to accept SD output as your TV is becoming dated technology, like all tech eventually becomes.

 

[Emitan]

This sucks if you buy this new model, but the email states it doesn't have any affect on the other models available at retail just this new 'K' 160GB model.

Odd decision nonetheless.

As far as I know this only applies to electronics made now, but I'm still slightly wary of them pulling an Other OS and removing HD from all systems.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

People who play their PS3 on a SDTV dont love their PS3 and eventually the PS3 will find someone who does.

 

[Kai Dracon]

It Only Keeps Removing Features

 

[jackdoe]

I have to say though, I am surprised at the rather large number of people who have HDTVs without an HDMI port. My old HDTV was a mid tier model, bought in 2007 (but released in 2006) and had two HDMI ports. I mean, I did my research at the time and made sure I bought an HDTV with HDMI since I figured that would be the new standard (and since I figured on Blu-ray playback for the future). For those with component only HDTVs, when did you buy your models?